Guild Wars 2

FunkyBassline.5289:

messiah.1908:

tpvp pov –
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mesmer and thief are the hardest to master as they must learn the enemy moves play smartly and not spam or do same combo rotatations

lol

heheheh no rotations

Sandrox.9524:

insaneseagull.7063:

Spanny.9256:

lemme repeat that: your mind wrack needs to hit 3 separate times in order to accumulate the damage remotely similar to a thieves stealthed backstab.

It has to hit 3 times,indeed,but whereas a thief’s backstab only hits once you hit THREE times. You can negate a thief’s backstab,but alot harder negating all three shatters. Shatter is also AOE,a thieves backstab is not. A shatter can remove boons on hit (1 removed boon per illusion shattered,also AOE), a thief’s backstab does not.

Spanny.9256:

all the while you’re either kiting around with the glassiest stats ingame

Every mesmer has a health pool of around 19k health,a thief only has around 13k on average. I’m aware they have medium armor,thus slightly better stats, but they mostly have to choose on what they want to spend their initiative on,defense or offense.

Spanny.9256:

(and dont give me that “thieves have to do that too” argument because you and i both know well enough that thieves have more than enough mobility and stealth to get away from anything)

True,I agree on this,but we also have quite a few defensive skills to choose from as well,both on our utilities AND weapons. Plus traits (for ex. 3% less dmg per illusion out).
In fact,there’s a defensive skill on almost every weapon we have,plus 2 shatters which is defensive,and lots of utilities.

We are glass,but we have lots of defensive mechanisms/skills to make up for that. And,ofc,there’s the dodge button everyone can learn to use,at the right times,that is.

Mesmer isn’t sub-par to any class,no class is sub par to anyone. Sure,if you use META builds which everyone knows the “rotation” on and can counter easily you’ll feel quite sub-par but believe me,professions are what YOU make of them.

Comparing backstab to shatter,and with false points.Please comment yourself with the same picture.

Comparing backstab to shatter? LOL. I’m telling you that while you can negate the whole 6k BS from a thief, it’s alot harder to negate all the damage from the shatters,maybe you’ll hit 1/4 or 2/4 or even 3/4,meaning you’ll still deal good damage. I was trying to prove a point here.

And could you please tell me my false points?

Ive played all classes at some point and theres something that attracts me to the mesmer. Its the mechanics.

Mesmers employ trickery and the best mesmers will employ tactics to confuse their oponents, even if for a brief moment. The only way i ever get beaten by a mesmer, as a mesmer, is when they out trick me. Those sneaky kittens. The same could be said for thiefies but they get a lot of upfront burst and mobility and stealth and due to their initiative mechanic the smoke fieldabuse is real. :p yes we got stealth but our stealth can only be improved through a niche grand master trait. Oh, oh if only the devs loved us as much as thieves. Along with necro, were like the adopted child they keep under the staircase. Were Harry Potter!!!! ((o(^?^)o))

Other classes, depending on builds tend to be very spammy. I note the video on youtube of that streamer who teaches his grandmother to play warrior in hotjoin in like half an hour.

Im not saying spammy classes are bad just that surviving and winning as a mesmer requires a bit more finesse than what you can teach your granny in half an hour. It can be a challenge which is why i like it.

Also screw the meta, use your imagination. Its not the build that makes the player its the player who makes the build. If you want to be a good mesmer you gotta learn your oponents tactics, work on your positioning and employ rotation to counter, confuse, or interrupt your oponents.

I for one am still learning and ive played mesmer for a year now.

So if mesmer is not for you, go roll a warrior and 111111 your way through the battle field and lol all day long.

insaneseagull.7063:

Sandrox.9524:

insaneseagull.7063:

Spanny.9256:

lemme repeat that: your mind wrack needs to hit 3 separate times in order to accumulate the damage remotely similar to a thieves stealthed backstab.

It has to hit 3 times,indeed,but whereas a thief’s backstab only hits once you hit THREE times. You can negate a thief’s backstab,but alot harder negating all three shatters. Shatter is also AOE,a thieves backstab is not. A shatter can remove boons on hit (1 removed boon per illusion shattered,also AOE), a thief’s backstab does not.

Spanny.9256:

all the while you’re either kiting around with the glassiest stats ingame

Every mesmer has a health pool of around 19k health,a thief only has around 13k on average. I’m aware they have medium armor,thus slightly better stats, but they mostly have to choose on what they want to spend their initiative on,defense or offense.

Spanny.9256:

(and dont give me that “thieves have to do that too” argument because you and i both know well enough that thieves have more than enough mobility and stealth to get away from anything)

True,I agree on this,but we also have quite a few defensive skills to choose from as well,both on our utilities AND weapons. Plus traits (for ex. 3% less dmg per illusion out).
In fact,there’s a defensive skill on almost every weapon we have,plus 2 shatters which is defensive,and lots of utilities.

We are glass,but we have lots of defensive mechanisms/skills to make up for that. And,ofc,there’s the dodge button everyone can learn to use,at the right times,that is.

Mesmer isn’t sub-par to any class,no class is sub par to anyone. Sure,if you use META builds which everyone knows the “rotation” on and can counter easily you’ll feel quite sub-par but believe me,professions are what YOU make of them.

Comparing backstab to shatter,and with false points.Please comment yourself with the same picture.

Comparing backstab to shatter? LOL. I’m telling you that while you can negate the whole 6k BS from a thief, it’s alot harder to negate all the damage from the shatters,maybe you’ll hit 1/4 or 2/4 or even 3/4,meaning you’ll still deal good damage. I was trying to prove a point here.

And could you please tell me my false points?

I would not get to this pointless debate with you,you should know that shatter mesmer deliver spike so fast(to be effective),almost as backstab so one dodge covers all shatters in most cases and if not,dmg is 2k at most.if the clones are far away you may never hit with them since they can be killed before that or just too far away.I play thief alot,and when I see mesmer charge me with gs to melee range I excpect a shatter,or when he immoblize me with sword,I excpect a shatter,all the times they did it,I Dodged and got almost no dmg.

-thief got 15k health on average
-thief have boonstrips aswell-most of them uses 6 on trickery.and some uses s/d weaponset aswell.
-backstab is easier to land and have 4 sec cooldown while mindwrack have 10sec cooldown(if you spec for it)and need to build up clones.

fluxit.8247:

I for one am still learning and ive played mesmer for a year now.

I’ve played since launch and still feel I’m learning mesmer. For me shatter is the most difficult, but most rewarding next to interrupt.

fluxit.8247:

I note the video on youtube of that streamer who teaches his grandmother to play warrior in hotjoin in like half an hour.

My google skills failed me, you got a link for this?

jenzie.4083:

fluxit.8247:

I for one am still learning and ive played mesmer for a year now.

I’ve played since launch and still feel I’m learning mesmer. For me shatter is the most difficult, but most rewarding next to interrupt.

fluxit.8247:

I note the video on youtube of that streamer who teaches his grandmother to play warrior in hotjoin in like half an hour.

My google skills failed me, you got a link for this?

Enjoy the grandma playing warrior. :P

Sandrox.9524:

insaneseagull.7063:

Sandrox.9524:

insaneseagull.7063:

Spanny.9256:

lemme repeat that: your mind wrack needs to hit 3 separate times in order to accumulate the damage remotely similar to a thieves stealthed backstab.

It has to hit 3 times,indeed,but whereas a thief’s backstab only hits once you hit THREE times. You can negate a thief’s backstab,but alot harder negating all three shatters. Shatter is also AOE,a thieves backstab is not. A shatter can remove boons on hit (1 removed boon per illusion shattered,also AOE), a thief’s backstab does not.

Spanny.9256:

all the while you’re either kiting around with the glassiest stats ingame

Every mesmer has a health pool of around 19k health,a thief only has around 13k on average. I’m aware they have medium armor,thus slightly better stats, but they mostly have to choose on what they want to spend their initiative on,defense or offense.

Spanny.9256:

(and dont give me that “thieves have to do that too” argument because you and i both know well enough that thieves have more than enough mobility and stealth to get away from anything)

True,I agree on this,but we also have quite a few defensive skills to choose from as well,both on our utilities AND weapons. Plus traits (for ex. 3% less dmg per illusion out).
In fact,there’s a defensive skill on almost every weapon we have,plus 2 shatters which is defensive,and lots of utilities.

We are glass,but we have lots of defensive mechanisms/skills to make up for that. And,ofc,there’s the dodge button everyone can learn to use,at the right times,that is.

Mesmer isn’t sub-par to any class,no class is sub par to anyone. Sure,if you use META builds which everyone knows the “rotation” on and can counter easily you’ll feel quite sub-par but believe me,professions are what YOU make of them.

Comparing backstab to shatter,and with false points.Please comment yourself with the same picture.

Comparing backstab to shatter? LOL. I’m telling you that while you can negate the whole 6k BS from a thief, it’s alot harder to negate all the damage from the shatters,maybe you’ll hit 1/4 or 2/4 or even 3/4,meaning you’ll still deal good damage. I was trying to prove a point here.

And could you please tell me my false points?

I would not get to this pointless debate with you,you should know that shatter mesmer deliver spike so fast(to be effective),almost as backstab so one dodge covers all shatters in most cases and if not,dmg is 2k at most.if the clones are far away you may never hit with them since they can be killed before that or just too far away.

It’s actually a matter of positioning,sometimes bursting ASAP might be stupid.

Sandrox.9524:

I play thief alot,and when I see mesmer charge me with gs to melee range I excpect a shatter,or when he immoblize me with sword,I excpect a shatter,all the times they did it,I Dodged and got almost no dmg.

Proves my point above^

-thief got 15k health on average
-thief have boonstrips aswell-most of them uses 6 on trickery.and some uses s/d weaponset aswell.
-backstab is easier to land and have 4 sec cooldown while mindwrack have 10sec cooldown(if you spec for it)and need to build up clones.

-My bad,15k it is.
-Okay,thieves have boon strips as well,on the second attack of the sword 3 chain. 1 boon,not AOE,and boon strip on steal every 19 second or so only if you have the steal traits in the trickery line.
-4 second cooldown,not gonna’ argue with that,but to even backstab you need to position yourself,and almost always use CnD which costs 6 ini. If you spam CnD,which I believe is not efficient at all. Thus giving the backstab a “longer” cooldown.

too lazdy to read all of it, BUT !!!…… I LOVE the fact that MESMER is hard to play class so you won’t see players running it just like everyone started playing ranger cuz of buffs….. Mesmer has its mechanics which you have to understand and learn to use properly. You have like 3 “main” specs (shatter, condi/PU, illusions) and a lot of others builds (lockdown, mantra…) and all of them are really playable. Mesmer is complex class, it is not something like thief or ranger atm that u have to just faceroll your keyboard. So basically you are not dissapointed with Mesmer as class, you are dissapointed that you can’t play this class with ease and without putting an effort into it . Mesmer is great class, not OP nor useless.

I don’t play sPvP, but in WvW I ran phantasm and occasionally power shatter up until the crit nerf/ferocity bullkitten patch. To get any kind of reasonable damage out of it I have to go glass, and it still struggles to bring down a guardian or a warrior. With condishatter I don’t have those issues, quite the opposite, I can go full dire and be incredibly effective. However I do miss that perhaps more active playstyle. Besides phantasms are just cool.

My Sad music

http://youtu.be/GFhs-DwbyNs

fluxit.8247:

jenzie.4083:

fluxit.8247:

I for one am still learning and ive played mesmer for a year now.

I’ve played since launch and still feel I’m learning mesmer. For me shatter is the most difficult, but most rewarding next to interrupt.

fluxit.8247:

I note the video on youtube of that streamer who teaches his grandmother to play warrior in hotjoin in like half an hour.

My google skills failed me, you got a link for this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3oBOOKuvQU

Enjoy the grandma playing warrior. :P

thank you! haha that was hilarious.