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After countless try and error found mesmer to be quite sub-par compare to other class.It is just terrible to play in PvP. Difficulty is extremely high. Dps rather low and armour paper thin. Maybe i m doing it wrong. Pve is still ok but in PvP it is really that hard to play.

I think I missed the question here.

Mystic, mesmers can be deadly in pvp. They’re not an easy class to master, so yes. It takes time and patience.

Was this soloq, tq, hotjoin, or duels? And what build were you using?

Arikyali.5804:

Mystic, mesmers can be deadly in pvp. They’re not an easy class to master, so yes. It takes time and patience.

Was this soloq, tq, hotjoin, or duels? And what build were you using?

That depends Thief drop you dead in sec .Ranger can outrange you Dps you to death. Necro Face roll you. Just compare the stats on each class spec it to max possible combo you will see mesmer no longer a top choice for PvP. If mesmer win its mostly due to skill and not so much stats . There is no question only ranting. When you played every class you start to see how flawed mesmer can be. Not say it isn’t without strength,just saying its flaws are more then its strength. And just disappointed with favorite class. If you take stop watch to time how fast you can down someone you can see how flawed it is. Back to the drawing board.

Arikyali.5804:

Mystic, mesmers can be deadly in pvp. They’re not an easy class to master, so yes. It takes time and patience.

Was this soloq, tq, hotjoin, or duels? And what build were you using?

I run just about 80% – 90% current meta build and some that are not listed in forum. Think my question is why use a mesmer to PvP then to use favored class now eg buffed class. It have nothing to do with seeing beyond the class and go with the flow and play buffed class. How balance is every class i wonder, the ability to fight toe to toe is just bad now.

Mystic Angelique.4021:

here is no question only ranting.

Ah ok, good to know.

Fay.2357:

Mystic Angelique.4021:

here is no question only ranting.

Ah ok, good to know.

Got to love that honesty.

You know what gets my goat sometimes? The weather. So bloody inconsistent, and so OP!

~Only ranting.

Ross Biddle.2367:

Fay.2357:

Mystic Angelique.4021:

here is no question only ranting.

Ah ok, good to know.

Got to love that honesty.

You know what gets my goat sometimes? The weather. So bloody inconsistent, and so OP!

~Only ranting.

If your going to quote word for word your missing the point. Example best possible meta of each class vs best possible meta for mesmer . Other classes are alot stronger then mesmer.

Mystic Angelique.4021:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Fay.2357:

Mystic Angelique.4021:

here is no question only ranting.

Ah ok, good to know.

Got to love that honesty.

You know what gets my goat sometimes? The weather. So bloody inconsistent, and so OP!

~Only ranting.

If your going to quote word for word your missing the point. Example best possible meta of each class vs best possible meta for mesmer . Other classes are alot stronger then mesmer.

Define stronger?

I’m not here to defend Mesmer. I was just commenting on the weather. But if you want to get into it, I don’t think it’s as straight forward as you’d like to make it.

Mesmers should be able to freely rant about Mesmer frustrations. =P

… Even if they’re somewhat inaccurate frustrations.

Mystic, besides thieves and the occasional ele/guardian a well-played Mesmer is absolutely devastating on the battlefield. Especially shatter Mesmer. You have some of the best aoe burst damage in the game and are wildly hard to kill with blink/decoy/F4Distortion.

if you feel your damage is bad, or getting rolled by Necros then you can’t blame their class or your class for that, because you’re definitely doing something wrong. This isn’t a class issue, its a lack of experience. Keep at it, Mesmer are known to be a hard class to play for a reason, and things will start to turn around for sure.

…. And back to Dragon Age for me.

Chaos Archangel.5071:

Mesmers should be able to freely rant about Mesmer frustrations. =P

… Even if they’re somewhat inaccurate frustrations.

Mystic, besides thieves and the occasional ele/guardian a well-played Mesmer is absolutely devastating on the battlefield. Especially shatter Mesmer. You have some of the best aoe burst damage in the game and are wildly hard to kill with blink/decoy/F4Distortion.

if you feel your damage is bad, or getting rolled by Necros then you can’t blame their class or your class for that, because you’re definitely doing something wrong. This isn’t a class issue, its a lack of experience. Keep at it, Mesmer are known to be a hard class to play for a reason, and things will start to turn around for sure.

…. And back to Dragon Age for me.

I m not too sure if i want to comment on necros atm since its going to go down can of worms (Going to keep quiet on the subject). As for lack of experience wouldn’t say that, since played all classes decently . Mesmer still my main since pre. You could say been playing mesmer for a very long time. Gulity of face rolling on necro also .And no i know how to counter provided its 1v1 or maybe 1v2 at best. Some classes are just better at it.

I feel you and I do understand were you are coming from. But like what chaos said, hang in there and it might just turn round for you.

I once find it very difficult to get my head around the class but stick with it. Hours of pve, and Pvp later, I now feel very comfortable with the class to the point of I can hold my own against anyone in a 1v1 in PvP

Also you have to understand that the class is not really about front loadbustlike most other class, at list that is how I play. Stones shatter can put any class from 100%hp down 10% if the opponent an’t careful.

If you can, try and stick with it, it might just turn around for you, but if you can’t then there are other class you can try

Blades of Sabatine.5639:

I feel you and I do understand were you are coming from. But like what chaos said, hang in there and it might just turn round for you.

I once find it very difficult to get my head around the class but stick with it. Hours of pve, and Pvp later, I now feel very comfortable with the class to the point of I can hold my own against anyone in a 1v1 in PvP

Also you have to understand that the class is not really about front loadbustlike most other class, at list that is how I play. Stones shatter can put any class from 100%hp down 10% if the opponent an’t careful.

If you can, try and stick with it, it might just turn around for you, but if you can’t then there are other class you can try

The Quote goes like this pain+ trying to kill a brick wall. Peeling takes time which is why feel that mesmer are sub par in a way.

First world sPvP problems

One of the biggest problem with the mesmer is it’s slow & clunky from skills casting time. Unless the timing is right, you will never out skill, or out class other classes due to there quick speed on there skills vs the mesmers. It makes all the difference in the world.

(thief—spam..2-2-2.. ur dead!)

I’m not sure why, but since ANet announced the upcoming PvP changes. I’ve had a much harder time being successful on my Mesmer in sPvP

I think players are taking advantage of the really strong builds right now before the upcoming change. Trying to raise their MMR quickly. I know I’ve notice that my mesmer seems to be “singled-out” way more than before.

Of course, this is just my opinion.

Vieux P.1238:

One of the biggest problem with the mesmer is it’s slow & clunky from skills casting time. Unless the timing is right, you will never out skill, or out class other classes due to there quick speed on there skills vs the mesmers. It makes all the difference in the world.

(thief—spam..2-2-2.. ur dead!)

To be fair, if you manage to survive the 2-2-2 spam, that thief is in trouble. A thief is speedy, but if you don’t control the speed, the thief will flop.

If anything, I think thief is more difficult to master than mesmer in a lot of instances.

I’m a noob at Mesmer, but loving it so far. But I’ve played Necro quite a bit, mostly wvw, with a power wells build, and I’m wondering what I should be binding for faceroll?

Is it a general feeling that Necro can faceroll (some/any/all classes)?

Or maybe it’s for a condi build?

Um… Mesmer is good because I can kill with it. I don’t feel like going into all the logic of it, but I generally kill most other classes with my mesmer. Sometimes they kill me, that happens, but I think that’s the same for everyone. So, to answer your non-question, mesmer is not as below other classes as you make it out to be. Our DPS comes from lots of skills in a short amount of time, not like spamming in way of the thief, but combo-ing[e.g. Shatter Combo]. Our survivability does not come a lot from our armor, but our avoidance of damage in the first place[e.g. stealth, evasion, distortion, some blocks]. Mesmer is slightly different in its play style in its heavy reliance on our illusion and shatter mechanics, so you may have not been playing it to its fullest potential.

Mystic Angelique.4021:

After countless try and error found mesmer to be quite sub-par compare to other class.It is just terrible to play in PvP. Difficulty is extremely high. Dps rather low and armour paper thin. Maybe i m doing it wrong. Pve is still ok but in PvP it is really that hard to play.

gonna have to agree to an extent. (this is all in regards to pvp/tpvp/spvp/hotjoin)
-i don’t use phantasm builds because i don’t like phantasms doing all the work and its only superior in duels
- condi builds got nerfed and condi meta is for hoes regardless
– condi shatter is a fad; it’s fun for now, but people will catch on to how simple a counter it is like all the other condi builds
- PU is kittenty
- shatter is the only fun i have as a memser, and that is considerably underpowered compared to bursts other professions have.
couple that with the fact that you need 3 clones up AND all of them need to hit a target to even get a comparable result, is bullspit.

lemme repeat that: your mind wrack needs to hit 3 separate times in order to accumulate the damage remotely similar to a thieves stealthed backstab, all the while you’re either kiting around with the glassiest stats ingame or [blurred frenzy]ing for a moment in the fray, then quickly retreating for another 10-15 seconds, hoping someone doesnt actually target you. (and dont give me that “thieves have to do that too” argument because you and i both know well enough that thieves have more than enough mobility and stealth to get away from anything)

i know its a risk:reward ratio, but there are much more favorable ratios with other professions compared to mesmer.

Spanny.9256:

gonna have to agree to an extent. (this is all in regards to pvp/tpvp/spvp/hotjoin)
-i don’t use phantasm builds because i don’t like phantasms doing all the work and its only superior in duels
- condi builds got nerfed and condi meta is for hoes regardless
– condi shatter is a fad; it’s fun for now, but people will catch on to how simple a counter it is like all the other condi builds
- PU is kittenty
- shatter is the only fun i have as a memser, and that is considerably underpowered compared to bursts other professions have.
couple that with the fact that you need 3 clones up AND all of them need to hit a target to even get a comparable result, is bullspit.

lemme repeat that: your mind wrack needs to hit 3 separate times in order to accumulate the damage remotely similar to a thieves stealthed backstab, all the while you’re either kiting around with the glassiest stats ingame or [blurred frenzy]ing for a moment in the fray, then quickly retreating for another 10-15 seconds, hoping someone doesnt actually target you. (and dont give me that “thieves have to do that too” argument because you and i both know well enough that thieves have more than enough mobility and stealth to get away from anything)

i know its a risk:reward ratio, but there are much more favorable ratios with other professions compared to mesmer.

insaneseagull.7063:

so like do you have anything to actually contribute or were you not hugged as a child

Spanny.9256:

lemme repeat that: your mind wrack needs to hit 3 separate times in order to accumulate the damage remotely similar to a thieves stealthed backstab.

It has to hit 3 times,indeed,but whereas a thief’s backstab only hits once you hit THREE times. You can negate a thief’s backstab,but alot harder negating all three shatters. Shatter is also AOE,a thieves backstab is not. A shatter can remove boons on hit (1 removed boon per illusion shattered,also AOE), a thief’s backstab does not.

Spanny.9256:

all the while you’re either kiting around with the glassiest stats ingame

Every mesmer has a health pool of around 19k health,a thief only has around 13k on average. I’m aware they have medium armor,thus slightly better stats, but they mostly have to choose on what they want to spend their initiative on,defense or offense.

Spanny.9256:

(and dont give me that “thieves have to do that too” argument because you and i both know well enough that thieves have more than enough mobility and stealth to get away from anything)

True,I agree on this,but we also have quite a few defensive skills to choose from as well,both on our utilities AND weapons. Plus traits (for ex. 3% less dmg per illusion out).
In fact,there’s a defensive skill on almost every weapon we have,plus 2 shatters which is defensive,and lots of utilities.

We are glass,but we have lots of defensive mechanisms/skills to make up for that. And,ofc,there’s the dodge button everyone can learn to use,at the right times,that is.

Mesmer isn’t sub-par to any class,no class is sub par to anyone. Sure,if you use META builds which everyone knows the “rotation” on and can counter easily you’ll feel quite sub-par but believe me,professions are what YOU make of them.

Mystic Angelique.4021:

Arikyali.5804:

Vieux P.1238:

One of the biggest problem with the mesmer is it’s slow & clunky from skills casting time. Unless the timing is right, you will never out skill, or out class other classes due to there quick speed on there skills vs the mesmers. It makes all the difference in the world.

(thief—spam..2-2-2.. ur dead!)

To be fair, if you manage to survive the 2-2-2 spam, that thief is in trouble. A thief is speedy, but if you don’t control the speed, the thief will flop.

If anything, I think thief is more difficult to master than mesmer in a lot of instances.

Mastering a class take time, to the pro thief you will not land so much a hit. After stealth fight reset Thief much better odds like finishing the job or run away. Thou Thief have lowest health (agree with this point).It too have pretty high DPS and evade/stealth in the game

Dondagora.9645:

Um… Mesmer is good because I can kill with it. I don’t feel like going into all the logic of it, but I generally kill most other classes with my mesmer. Sometimes they kill me, that happens, but I think that’s the same for everyone. So, to answer your non-question, mesmer is not as below other classes as you make it out to be. Our DPS comes from lots of skills in a short amount of time, not like spamming in way of the thief, but combo-ing[e.g. Shatter Combo]. Our survivability does not come a lot from our armor, but our avoidance of damage in the first place[e.g. stealth, evasion, distortion, some blocks]. Mesmer is slightly different in its play style in its heavy reliance on our illusion and shatter mechanics, so you may have not been playing it to its fullest potential.

The thing is alot of our DPS comes from phantasms and shatters with newly add condition applys to clones don’t think it work well as clone goes down pretty fast to be useful (Best used in point blank range). Comparing DPS on each class our DPS really bad compare to press 1 press 1. I see really big numbers on certain classes.

insaneseagull.7063:

Spanny.9256:

lemme repeat that: your mind wrack needs to hit 3 separate times in order to accumulate the damage remotely similar to a thieves stealthed backstab.

It has to hit 3 times,indeed,but whereas a thief’s backstab only hits once you hit THREE times. You can negate a thief’s backstab,but alot harder negating all three shatters. Shatter is also AOE,a thieves backstab is not. A shatter can remove boons on hit (1 removed boon per illusion shattered,also AOE), a thief’s backstab does not.

Spanny.9256:

all the while you’re either kiting around with the glassiest stats ingame

Every mesmer has a health pool of around 19k health,a thief only has around 13k on average. I’m aware they have medium armor,thus slightly better stats, but they mostly have to choose on what they want to spend their initiative on,defense or offense.

Spanny.9256:

(and dont give me that “thieves have to do that too” argument because you and i both know well enough that thieves have more than enough mobility and stealth to get away from anything)

True,I agree on this,but we also have quite a few defensive skills to choose from as well,both on our utilities AND weapons. Plus traits (for ex. 3% less dmg per illusion out).
In fact,there’s a defensive skill on almost every weapon we have,plus 2 shatters which is defensive,and lots of utilities.

We are glass,but we have lots of defensive mechanisms/skills to make up for that. And,ofc,there’s the dodge button everyone can learn to use,at the right times,that is.

Mesmer isn’t sub-par to any class,no class is sub par to anyone. Sure,if you use META builds which everyone knows the “rotation” on and can counter easily you’ll feel quite sub-par but believe me,professions are what YOU make of them.

Please be respectful .Thank You

The same person playing different class will see how class gap exist and no amount of skill can gap that. So the conclusion is balance issues. And yes it is impossible to have perfect balance but some class is just over the roof atm

insaneseagull.7063:

Spanny.9256:

lemme repeat that: your mind wrack needs to hit 3 separate times in order to accumulate the damage remotely similar to a thieves stealthed backstab.

It has to hit 3 times,indeed,but whereas a thief’s backstab only hits once you hit THREE times. You can negate a thief’s backstab,but alot harder negating all three shatters. Shatter is also AOE,a thieves backstab is not. A shatter can remove boons on hit (1 removed boon per illusion shattered,also AOE), a thief’s backstab does not.

Also, don’t forget that you can hit 4 times with shatter, even from stealth if you don’t screw up, the AOE and boon stripping is a nice bonus for that

I’m disappointed with your disappointment with your mesmer.

Tested other professions…while I can do some nice burst…mesmer survivability is just sub par…look and compare helseth and sizer to get an idea…

I think it’s more cause the game design than the class design.

sPvP is a game mode based on point capture in a very small map with very small areas and millions of blind spots. We’re not a class designed to hold a point or to do sustained AoE pressure.

I find mesmer shine the most in bigger places, where our illusions can survive a lot more, we have much more positioning options and we’re not affected by blind spots.

Also, maybe that’s why mesmers are so awesome in WvW.

I personally wouldn’t call it sub par but I do feel other professions have an easier time only because I think mesmer is the most balanced when you weigh the amount of risk reward and the set up to achieve said reward.

Guardians, Necros, Warriors, Engies, regen rangers and d/d eles can all fight on point without much worry. Timings and cool downs matter like in all cases but it matters “less so” in the context that your one mistake didn’t just cost you the fight. (which sucks because of the game type pretty much promotes these builds)

Zerk rangers, fresh air eles, and most thief builds all typically out damage a mesmer and usually require less set up or can burst safely without to much risk to themselves.

But as a mesmer when you go in, you kinda gotta do it at the right time and make sure you properly land your stuff and realistically are relying on 30+ second cooldowns for escape, half of which in a 1v1 you probubly used for momentum.

I don’t think this makes mesmer subpar tho, it does however require proper positioning to gain momentum to win most of your fights, That being said the advantages of mesmers are typically Phantasms which are pretty much conditions that scale with power but can be killed instead of cleansed along with moderate range pressure.

Terrain is your friend and positioning is key. Both of these together will give you a /gg.

Mystic Angelique.4021:

The same person playing different class will see how class gap exist and no amount of skill can gap that. So the conclusion is balance issues. And yes it is impossible to have perfect balance but some class is just over the roof atm

I’m curious,how would you “balance” it?

imo it’s already balanced,there are stat differences and skill differences but that’s because their all unique professions. If you want to feel the backstabs of a thief you go for a thief,not a mesmer.

I think it can be accurate to say some classes are better than others at pvp, in large part because of the point capture process.

KB engineers, hammer warriors, and fear necros, for instance, and now rangers with kb and cripple on their long bows plus kb/fear wolves all make for great control of points vs other characters.

But that doesn’t mean we suck.

I generally dont run the current flavor of the week. Mesmer is my fav class, but for some reason I’m just not that good at damage based zerker shatter mesmer; I think it’s just that I’m not that good at avoiding getting killed with zerker gear while trying to fry my foe with shatters.

So, I use different builds. In my case, I’m running a condi shatter build with… ah, what the heck is it? I think the amulet is power, vitality, and condi damage, with condi being the main, and runes of the nightmare, with sigils of bursting and corruption, using scepter/torch and staff, utilities being the heal signet, mirror images, decoy, arcane thievery, and moa (I love moa to strip transforms off necros and stop cloak spamming thieves, if I can nail them during their brief reveals).

My traits are 4/4/0/0/6, using Domination: rending shatter and shattered concentration, dueling: desperate decoy and deceptive evasion, and illusions: the master of confusion trait, blinding befuddlement, and Maim the disillusion.

The idea is using shatters to stack vulnerability, confusion, torment, etc etc, stripping boons all at the same time… well, I suppose its obvious. It isn’t based on powerful hits precisely, but stripping boons and stacking condis. I’m adding more torment and confusion from scepter, more confusion from scepter and torch, possible confusion from chaos armor which I can get twice (using Staff #2 to get it while in chaos storm), poss blind from chaos armor as well which along with torch 4 and skill replacement of scepter 2 will do more confusion, my scepter clones doing more torment, my scepter #2 block doing torment, my torch 5 doing more confusion….

Plus the staff and chaos armor is stacking more random other conditions while at it.

Nice thing is… due to the power from the amulet, the shatters themselves also do some appreciable damage despite being a condi build. Not as much as a pure shatter, but I’ve surprised some targets with it.

The key, though, is not getting caught. Keeping mobile, stacking the conditions, letting them chase me down (which with all the torment makes it even more fun lol), I’m not going to say its the best build ever, but its done pretty darned well.

Point being, mesmers do well in pvp, in the right hands. Mesmers do have a higher learning curve than most of the other classes, but that doesn’t make them weak. I DO think they are a bit weaker than the other classes in pvp, IMHO, but not so much that they are worthless.

It may just not be your style though, just as the meta shatter mes just doesnt work for me.

Arikyali.5804:

Vieux P.1238:

One of the biggest problem with the mesmer is it’s slow & clunky from skills casting time. Unless the timing is right, you will never out skill, or out class other classes due to there quick speed on there skills vs the mesmers. It makes all the difference in the world.

(thief—spam..2-2-2.. ur dead!)

To be fair, if you manage to survive the 2-2-2 spam, that thief is in trouble. A thief is speedy, but if you don’t control the speed, the thief will flop.

If anything, I think thief is more difficult to master than mesmer in a lot of instances.

Actually i manage any noob player with there 2-2-2 attacks. It’s more the ones that know how to play there 2-2-2 that kills in 3 seconds. The warrior with his 15 seconds stun dosent let you breath. & other classes just burst damage to fast for you to finish your rotation & skills. Mainly, your stuck with some sort of shatter build & you cant make any mistake if you want to survive. Lets not deni it mesmer friends. We need a mesmer revamp! & i would be first to sigh that petition.

Vieux P.1238:

Arikyali.5804:

Vieux P.1238:

One of the biggest problem with the mesmer is it’s slow & clunky from skills casting time. Unless the timing is right, you will never out skill, or out class other classes due to there quick speed on there skills vs the mesmers. It makes all the difference in the world.

(thief—spam..2-2-2.. ur dead!)

To be fair, if you manage to survive the 2-2-2 spam, that thief is in trouble. A thief is speedy, but if you don’t control the speed, the thief will flop.

If anything, I think thief is more difficult to master than mesmer in a lot of instances.

Actually i manage any noob player with there 2-2-2 attacks. It’s more the ones that know how to play there 2-2-2 that kills in 3 seconds. The warrior with his 15 seconds stun dosent let you breath. & other classes just burst damage to fast for you to finish your rotation & skills. Mainly, your stuck with some sort of shatter build & you cant make any mistake if you want to survive. Lets not deni it mesmer friends. We need a mesmer revamp! & i would be first to sigh that petition.

You keep saying stuff like this in all the threads you show up in. ‘Oh, Mesmer is so weak, every other class can use like 3 skills and kill me, it’s so hard to do anything about it’. This is all just unsubstantiated whining.

If you’re getting destroyed by so many classes using just a single extremely simple combo, that doesn’t mean those classes are too strong. It means you’re simply not a good enough player to conceive of effective counters to those attacks. While I concede that Mesmer is still rather fringe viable in the general tpvp meta right now, it has nothing to do with other classes destroying us with a couple skills. The issue is a complex one, having to do with a combination of mobility problems, inherent weaknesses due to utility choices, and the necessity of the role we play. Mesmers can fight other classes absolutely fine, it’s just you that can’t.

Fay.2357:

Vieux P.1238:

Arikyali.5804:

Vieux P.1238:

One of the biggest problem with the mesmer is it’s slow & clunky from skills casting time. Unless the timing is right, you will never out skill, or out class other classes due to there quick speed on there skills vs the mesmers. It makes all the difference in the world.

(thief—spam..2-2-2.. ur dead!)

To be fair, if you manage to survive the 2-2-2 spam, that thief is in trouble. A thief is speedy, but if you don’t control the speed, the thief will flop.

If anything, I think thief is more difficult to master than mesmer in a lot of instances.

Actually i manage any noob player with there 2-2-2 attacks. It’s more the ones that know how to play there 2-2-2 that kills in 3 seconds. The warrior with his 15 seconds stun dosent let you breath. & other classes just burst damage to fast for you to finish your rotation & skills. Mainly, your stuck with some sort of shatter build & you cant make any mistake if you want to survive. Lets not deni it mesmer friends. We need a mesmer revamp! & i would be first to sigh that petition.

You keep saying stuff like this in all the threads you show up in. ‘Oh, Mesmer is so weak, every other class can use like 3 skills and kill me, it’s so hard to do anything about it’. This is all just unsubstantiated whining.

If you’re getting destroyed by so many classes using just a single extremely simple combo, that doesn’t mean those classes are too strong. It means you’re simply not a good enough player to conceive of effective counters to those attacks. While I concede that Mesmer is still rather fringe viable in the general tpvp meta right now, it has nothing to do with other classes destroying us with a couple skills. The issue is a complex one, having to do with a combination of mobility problems, inherent weaknesses due to utility choices, and the necessity of the role we play. Mesmers can fight other classes absolutely fine, it’s just you that can’t.

Noooo, i’m good anoth. Actually i’m one notch under the pros. Trust me i can make the difference between a good & bad player.There is a balance issue & it’s well known that mesmers are subpart compared to other classes. Thers lots of threads on the issue. No mistake, the shatter condi build is top notch but like the only true viable bursty build that mesmers have. & plz, dont talk about whinnnning when you look at the threads in the past complaining about the mesmer being to OP for the thief or other classes. We got nerfed cuz guys like you.

Vieux P.1238:

Noooo, i’m good anoth. Actually i’m one notch under the pros. Trust me i can make the difference between a good & bad player.

Forgive me for not taking your word on this one.

Vieux P.1238:

There is a balance issue & it’s well known that mesmers are subpart compared to other classes. Thers lots of threads on the issue.

There’s lots of threads on how overpowered moa and shatter mesmers are. That doesn’t really mean a whole lot though, does it?

Vieux P.1238:

We got nerfed cuz guys like you.

Not sure if implying that I’m a thief and whined about mesmer, or that I’m just so OP Anet nerfed mesmers to spite me.

Vieux P.1238:

No mistake, the shatter condi build is top notch but like the only true viable bursty build that mesmers have.

This is so far from the truth. Did u mean power shatter build?

Why would a thief whine about mesmers? ._. Free CnDs everywhere..

Mesmer still hardcountered by thieves who are hardcounterd by …nothing according to top players.
Very fragile class and no…clones do not confuse very good player at all.

The thing is that other classes have more room for mistakes than Mesmer.

I’ve played every class in the game, and the amount of advantages/room for mistakes compared to Mesmer is really noticeable. For example Engies, whose are the ones that cry the most about conditions but… yeah.. here we are, Mesmers, taking it like the little b$##@s that we are since 1997.

Maybe that is why I see the majority of new Mesmer Players running only PU/AI builds lol.

Kicast.1459:

Mesmer still hardcountered by thieves who are hardcounterd by …nothing according to top players.
Very fragile class and no…clones do not confuse very good player at all.

But, but, but… the other thread just read that Engineers are totally OP and at the top! Makes no sense!!!
:P

keenlam.4753:

Vieux P.1238:

No mistake, the shatter condi build is top notch but like the only true viable bursty build that mesmers have.

This is so far from the truth. Did u mean power shatter build?

No i ment shatter condition build. Shatter power build relies mostly on the F1 & does dish out alote of dmg. As for the Shatter condition you can shatter 4 times & overall keep controle of an area.

Carighan.6758:

Kicast.1459:

Mesmer still hardcountered by thieves who are hardcounterd by …nothing according to top players.
Very fragile class and no…clones do not confuse very good player at all.

But, but, but… the other thread just read that Engineers are totally OP and at the top! Makes no sense!!!
:P

Eng has become Op. Lets not pretend it’s not. Hits hard & tank as well. As for the thief, well true there biggest advantage is there almost infinite cooldown & speed on casting there abilities. I remember not to long ago when mesmer had for the very first time there power block trait. Thief players cried havoc cuz there initiative was affected by it!!! Boohoo! We cant down Mesmer in 3 seconds no more, we gotta use real strategy now instead of spaming number 2 all the time! boohoo! :/ Cry me a river…

insaneseagull.7063:

Spanny.9256:

lemme repeat that: your mind wrack needs to hit 3 separate times in order to accumulate the damage remotely similar to a thieves stealthed backstab.

It has to hit 3 times,indeed,but whereas a thief’s backstab only hits once you hit THREE times. You can negate a thief’s backstab,but alot harder negating all three shatters. Shatter is also AOE,a thieves backstab is not. A shatter can remove boons on hit (1 removed boon per illusion shattered,also AOE), a thief’s backstab does not.

Spanny.9256:

all the while you’re either kiting around with the glassiest stats ingame

Every mesmer has a health pool of around 19k health,a thief only has around 13k on average. I’m aware they have medium armor,thus slightly better stats, but they mostly have to choose on what they want to spend their initiative on,defense or offense.

Spanny.9256:

(and dont give me that “thieves have to do that too” argument because you and i both know well enough that thieves have more than enough mobility and stealth to get away from anything)

True,I agree on this,but we also have quite a few defensive skills to choose from as well,both on our utilities AND weapons. Plus traits (for ex. 3% less dmg per illusion out).
In fact,there’s a defensive skill on almost every weapon we have,plus 2 shatters which is defensive,and lots of utilities.

We are glass,but we have lots of defensive mechanisms/skills to make up for that. And,ofc,there’s the dodge button everyone can learn to use,at the right times,that is.

Mesmer isn’t sub-par to any class,no class is sub par to anyone. Sure,if you use META builds which everyone knows the “rotation” on and can counter easily you’ll feel quite sub-par but believe me,professions are what YOU make of them.

Comparing backstab to shatter,and with false points.Please comment yourself with the same picture.

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Comparing backstab to shatter,and with false points.Please comment yourself with the same picture.
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Yawwwwwn! Sound of a broken record…

Vieux P.1238:

keenlam.4753:

Vieux P.1238:

No mistake, the shatter condi build is top notch but like the only true viable bursty build that mesmers have.

This is so far from the truth. Did u mean power shatter build?

No i ment shatter condition build. Shatter power build relies mostly on the F1 & does dish out alote of dmg. As for the Shatter condition you can shatter 4 times & overall keep controle of an area.

Power Shatter is “bursty”, as you described it. It is what is called the only viable high-end PvP build used by mesmers in tournaments[and winning, at least]. Yes, it has 6 points in Illusions[+300 Condition Power], but it uses IP with Berserker stats in order to hit hard quickly, much like a thief. It focuses on coming out of nowhere and turning the tide. It also uses all the shatters, not just F1, because of various reasons regarding boon-stripping and survivability, along with the fact that it doesn’t have bad condition damage too.

Condi Shatter is currently an experimental sub-meta build, something that has the potential to be on the level of Power Shatter, but its too new of an idea to know fully how the game will react to this build. Right now, I’d say its ranked around the same as Lockdown in second place of Mesmer builds, right behind Power Shatter.

You seem newish to the forums. I say this because you seem to have come out of nowhere with these strong ideas about the mesmer profession. Thus, you might have developed these ideas in-game.

Condition mesmer has not been what we can call “viable” until now. I think, if not my previous assumption, you mistook the 4/4/0/0/6 power shatter build as a condition shatter build[though it could be] because of the 6 in Illusions.

On a side note, “Fay” is the most knowledgeable about mesmer and its numbers on the forums and in-game. Same thing with Chaos of Archangel. It would be best to not underestimate their criticism, even if you don’t blindly believe their words[which is good]. Ask questions before making assertions, or else it sounds like ignorance.

Vieux P.1238:

Eng has become Op. Lets not pretend it’s not. Hits hard & tank as well. As for the thief, well true there biggest advantage is there almost infinite cooldown & speed on casting there abilities. I remember not to long ago when mesmer had for the very first time there power block trait. Thief players cried havoc cuz there initiative was affected by it!!! Boohoo! We cant down Mesmer in 3 seconds no more, we gotta use real strategy now instead of spaming number 2 all the time! boohoo! :/ Cry me a river…

Dude, their*

tpvp pov –
so far i played a power shatter mesmer until i heard mtd is going out (before the last patch)
as a power shatter (below avergae) i notice its basic combos which mainly hit from range jump in shatter and jump out w8ing to my next icd. its very strong in support with boon removal and dmg aoe. but if thief target you your dps start to getting low as i need to play defense or run away. in 1v1 too many classes have meta counter to our shatter combos so engi/ele/ guardian/ warrior will need more focus and will get help from the thief so i need to disengage

now as mtd condi shatter its whole different story. i can hold point in most cases even some 1v2 till help comes. i can 1v1 and support in group fight. i can do higher dps on a point via shatters. i have many combo to play with and more builds to any situation. boons removal, 1v1, point holder, any case etc…

the power shatter is harder to learn and can be more enjoyable if you manage your combos while the condi shatter will yield more group acknoledge and more room to play with
i know players start to learn this build but still its hard to play against if in 1v1

i feel beside thief evey other class is boring . hambow warrior easy to play and repeatabel, d/d ele/ turret engi/ necro / guardian

mesmer and thief are the hardest to master as they must learn the enemy moves play smartly and not spam or do same combo rotatations

Wow getting alot of post will be back after holiday to read through the posting.
Here i leave you guy with random video and christmas cheers enjoy!!

Batman vs Darth vaders
http://youtu.be/nj23dwWHukY

This is why my character need a cape!!

Assassin Creed
http://youtu.be/QOQ8VrDsQj4?list=PLrFaRFw9s4G613UwBYx1qX-4gT46XPEds

Kitten Therapy
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messiah.1908:

tpvp pov –
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mesmer and thief are the hardest to master as they must learn the enemy moves play smartly and not spam or do same combo rotatations

lol