Guild Wars 2

Does anyone at Anet actually play a mesmer?

I ask because perhaps if they gave it a go they would realise how messed up this class actually is at the moment.

Sure you are going to get a load of upscales complaining about mesmers being op because they can’t beat them but the reality is… if you are losing to a mesmer then either the mesmer player is very skilled or you are just a poor player.

Most of the mesmer skills do not actually do what they say they are supposed to do. Most of the interrupt skills fire too slow and recharge too slow to what it actually says… for example – all mesmer interrupt skills are supposed to be faster than a warrior’s interrupt skills – but the reality is that you will always lose the speed game against a warrior when firing your skills. It is slowly getting to the stage where you might as well press a random button and hope for the best because you never know whether your skills are actually going to work let alone do what they’re supposed to do.

Which brings me to another point… mesmers might as well forget fighting level 80 warriors in wvw. You might as well just hit a reinforced door. The only damage you do is either a little bit of condition damage or when you shatter illusions – neither is going to do much damage against a skilled warrior. And that is of course if your skills actually work. The fail rate of mesmer skills is unacceptable and NOTHING has been done to fix this since the start of the game.

Mesmers have never received a buff of any type since the start of the game… they’ve just been nerfed. Skill balance between the classes in wvw is just messed up atm… but then we’ve come to expect that Anet drag their feet when it comes to fixing anything pvp related in the game – which is nuts because GW2 probably has the best pvp potential of any other MMORPG on the internet atm.

Any case… get some people together – get off your warriors, thieves, engineers and necros… and try playing some of the other classes – starting with mesmers… make a list of all the problems – all the skill failures… and go through every single skill and trait on the mesmer and fix it please. I think you are only ever going to realise how much work the mesmer needs if you go and play one for a while. Just making our skills work would be a big help.

Nymph of Meliai.6739:

Does anyone at Anet actually play a mesmer?

I ask because perhaps if they gave it a go they would realise how messed up this class actually is at the moment.

Sure you are going to get a load of upscales complaining about mesmers being op because they can’t beat them but the reality is… if you are losing to a mesmer then either the mesmer player is very skilled or you are just a poor player.

I really hope you are joking lol, please tell you’re joking

First of all, I sort of doubt it, as I find a few easy to find bugs with new gameplay additions that would be mesmer exclusive.

Second of all, the mesmer is far from underpowered. You must be doing it wrong.

Are you sure you’re playing mesmer?

Too many elites play mesmer cry about things that do work— (PU) and too proud to admit the state of the class.

I really think a lot of you would rather win with a broken class.

PU is useless in tpvp, easy avoided in wvw and sucsesfull only vs noobs

^Way to avoid my entire comment.

I wouldn’t say mesmer is in as bad a state as you make it seem (in wvw is probably where we have it the worst), but I do agree some bug fixes are in order. Which is why A.net actually fixed quite a few of them if you didn’t know, though most are coming in the feature patch. Also the new GM traits are hoping to be a welcome increase to our usefulness and will hopefully create more viable competitive builds for us.

I am quite serious… most of the time I just work around my skills misfiring all the time or not even firing at all… lost count of the number of times I have to press magic bullet to get it to actually fire sometimes… then the other day I had it against my foes head and it missed… I was like wtf? I mean if my foe had been dodging or something then fair enough but they weren’t… I still got the eventual stomp… but I shouldn’t have to work around skill failures all the time…

Here are some obvious ones that are constantly complained about, and Anet constantly do nothing about…

Mirror Blade – takes 3/4 second to cast… many times it takes over 2 seconds. Skill claims to be unblockable but how many times do we see it blocked?

Phantasmal Berserker – takes 3/4 second to cast – not as problematic as Mirror Blade but sometimes take over a second to cast and often fails if you are jumping at the same time as casting

Illusionary Wave – supposed to take 1/2 second to cast – sometimes takes a second to cast. Does not always knock back the distance stated – seen a lot of foes manage to avoid being sent off a cliff edge despite being on the cliff edge – today I managed to knock a guardian over the cliff ledge only to see him instantly respawn next to me on top of the cliff – despite watching him fall to the bottom splat.

How many times do we see Illusionary leap fail to work… or the swap… despite blink actually working on the same terrain, illusionary leap will often fail if their is a slight bump or slope – it only works horizontal and has very little room for vertical unless facing slightly downwards. Recently… the swap over shoots where the illusion actually was… for example – my illusion can be in combat with my foe – I press swap and I over shoot my foe making my follow up Blurred Frenzy useless.

Magic Bullet – misfires so many times, I’ve lost count. It is supposed to take 1/2 second to cast but often can take over a second to actually cast. Daze and stun are supposed to last 2 seconds but which should be enough time to cast Phantasmal Duelist and do illusionary leap with 1/4 sec left to spare… but seriously how often does that happen?

Phantasmal Duelist supposed to take 1 second to cast as shown by the magic bullet above… often takes longer.

Signet of Domination – supposed to take 1/4 second to cast… try 3/4 second minimum.

Mantra of Distraction/Power Lock – supposed to daze for 1 second x2 – more like it dazes for 1/4 of second – acts more of skill disruptor than actual daze.

Veil creates invisibility – but how many times do you get all the other things it says it does?

Chaos Storm… how many of the added boons to allies do you get? I can’t remember the last time I got an added speed bonus from Chaos Storm.

And seriously… what is the point of Moa as an elite skill? Since they nerfed the skill it actually makes many of your foes more powerful and more difficult to kill provided they use the skills other than run away.

Ether Feast – supposed to get a minimum of 5,560 healing PLUS 640 per illusion… so why do I keep getting 2,330 healing regardless of how many illusions I have active?

I still win 80-90% of all my 1v1 fights… with warriors being the most difficult to kill and a certain ranger build that will remain unsaid that kills me the most – the majority of rangers are not a problem but there is one specific skill that causes me no end of problems. But sometimes it annoys me when I lose to inferior opposition not because of my skill but because my skill bar isn’t working properly.

Rainbow Sprint.3215:

First of all, I sort of doubt it, as I find a few easy to find bugs with new gameplay additions that would be mesmer exclusive.

Second of all, the mesmer is far from underpowered. You must be doing it wrong.

There are a few classes now that I can hit with full berz… with my most powerful damage dealing skills and weapons… and I see the figures flying on the map of the damage I am supposedly doing… and I see absolutely no movement what-so-ever on my opponent’s health bar… not even a scratch.

Here is a very simple exercise to demonstrate how under powered mesmers really are… find two pieces of enemy siege – ask any other class in the game to attack one, while you attack the other… see how much longer it takes you to destroy your siege.

Nymph of Meliai.6739:

There are a few classes now that I can hit with full berz… with my most powerful damage dealing skills and weapons… and I see the figures flying on the map of the damage I am supposedly doing… and I see absolutely no movement what-so-ever on my opponent’s health bar… not even a scratch.

Here is a very simple exercise to demonstrate how under powered mesmers really are… find two pieces of enemy siege – ask any other class in the game to attack one, while you attack the other… see how much longer it takes you to destroy your siege.

First of all it seems to me that you’re really doing it wrong. The tankiest classes are Warriors, Guards and well played Rangers.
If you’re going full berserker any of these classes will die for sure if you manage to get out 3 dmgphantasms (iMage does not count) or land a good shatterspike what includes stacking might and vulnerability.
Mesmers with powerspecs have two options: shattering (what is an incredible burst dmg) and making the fight last long and wait for phantasm cooldown.
There is no enemy that will last long if you have 3 phantasms out!

The siege weapon “test” is not really a good example. If you want to deal massive damage in a fight you should run a warrior or an elementalist.
Mesmers have the worst dmg scaling, yeah, but we have the best survivalability without spending points into toughness or vitality.
A warrior would not be able to save himself from a zerg by going in stealth and running away unseen. As long as there are players that are as fast as the warrior he’ll be chased to death.

We’re not the main dmg source in the game!

Nymph of Meliai.6739:

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I actually started to type a response to this and then realized how ridiculous this is. Please provide proof of these “bugs” because I honestly have never seen or heard of 90% of them from anyone, and I’ve played mesmer since launch.

Nymph of Meliai.6739:

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Not sure if troll or just seriously misguided.

Basically every single word you typed in that wall of text was wrong. You’re so incredibly wrong I don’t even know where to start, so I won’t even try.

You’re wrong. Wrong/lying/exaggerating/trolling, pick one or more. Nobody should take anything you say seriously.

Pyroathiest.4168:

Nymph of Meliai.6739:

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Not sure if troll or just seriously misguided.

Basically every single word you typed in that wall of text was wrong. You’re so incredibly wrong I don’t even know where to start, so I won’t even try.

You’re wrong. Wrong/lying/exaggerating/trolling, pick one or more. Nobody should take anything you say seriously.

Actually most “long casts” as well as “respawning guardians” look like severe lag issues. I sometimes get similar experience at peak hours, though poor Internet connection (as well as playing on wi-fi) may lead to the same effect.

No dev responses stating they play mesmers in a frequent/constant capacity…

Answer obtained!

Diego Vargas.3058:

No dev responses stating they play mesmers in a frequent/constant capacity…

Answer obtained!

Because they totally have the time to respond to some insignificant person demanding to know what classes they play.

Celestina.2894:

Diego Vargas.3058:

No dev responses stating they play mesmers in a frequent/constant capacity…

Answer obtained!

Because they totally have the time to respond to some insignificant person demanding to know what classes they play.

Well, the interesting thing is that the answer truly is a massive no. This is absolutely evident based on many aspects of how the devs have made changes to the class, how they’ve discussed it, and other things as well.

However, the OP has completely missed every aspect of the game that mesmer actually needs help at, and has instead decided to complain about the bits that mesmer already excels at, which makes little sense.

lol – I guess someone does listen… after months of speed boost not working with chaos storm… I go into wvw tonight and behold its finally fixed…. (unless it is just a random thing again). Veil appears to be fixed too.

I don’t mind looking the fool if it gets stuff done. Now to get chill fixed too… because chaos storm is supposed to apply chill too and I am not seeing it.

Nymph of Meliai.6739:

lol – I guess someone does listen… after months of speed boost not working with chaos storm… I go into wvw tonight and behold its finally fixed…. (unless it is just a random thing again). Veil appears to be fixed too.

I don’t mind looking the fool if it gets stuff done. Now to get chill fixed too… because chaos storm is supposed to apply chill too and I am not seeing it.

No, you aren’t looking the fool because stuff is getting done. You’re looking the fool because [redacted to avoid infraction]. This stuff was never broken. Refer to my previous post on wrongness.

it was broken… you think I come on here complaining for nothing?
Swap is still broken though.

Nymph of Meliai.6739:

it was broken… you think I come on here complaining for nothing?

Yep

At 42 seconds, I gain swiftness from chaos storm. At 1:45 I gain swiftness from chaos storm. At 1:49 I gain swiftness from chaos storm.

That video was made by myself over a year ago. It has been working the entire time. You’re wrong.

All of the rest of your complaints are hilariously wrong too (with the exception of leap/swap). I honestly don’t know how you came up with those things, they’re so off the wall crazy.

How many noobs pretending that their low skills are not the problem lol.
Mesmer are actually pretty good, i think only elementalists and rangers can complain right now

I agree with one thing the OP said: mesmers are useless in the WvW hammer train meta. The only build that can even scratch the heavies is full zerker/mantras but that build can’t survive at all.

All of the skill complaints that Nymph had just sound like latency issues or just…unexplained complaints (Ether Feast?), because I’ve had absolutely no issues with the skills you’ve mentioned, and there’s somehow no mention of illusionary leap???

You’re really not doing much to help the Mesmer’s plight here.

Mijo.3274:

How many noobs pretending that their low skills are not the problem lol.
Mesmer are actually pretty good, i think only elementalists and rangers can complain right now

Rangers are actually pretty strong if played correctly.

Diego Vargas.3058:

No dev responses stating they play mesmers in a frequent/constant capacity…

Answer obtained!

Devs do play mesmer, goo look at theyr twich page and you will see many streams with some devs playing mesmer.

If mesmers are loosing 1vs1 its a l2p problem, I do just fine with mine and rarely loose when roaming or dueling in OS.
In zerg fight a berserk/pvt spec is good enough, just play it smart and use your stealths… it’s sure better than ranger or thief lol.

Nymph of Meliai.6739:

it was broken… you think I come on here complaining for nothing?
Swap is still broken though.

I noez rite. I mayk swops wif mi clone. I pop all my ilushuns mirrir imaeg. pop all. den i start spommin swap n shattar, i press mi f1-3 fast right yeah rel fast. nothin happins i dont swop, i dont hit shatter. persun runs away and i say gg.

Anet need fix mesmer. Dey mustnent even play it.

if dey play they woud fix al probslem lik teef, teef backstab wot do I do. Plz nerf anet. Plz plai ur classis.

wrong thread, sorry.