Guild Wars 2

Heya, wanna keep it simple:

I’d recommend to make Duellist’s Discipline a grandmaster trait and swap it with Mistrust. Mistrust is way to weak for a grandmaster and if you want Duellist’s Discipline, you often struggle with the need to have Phantasmal Fury aswell.

What’cha think?

Greez
- Madame Le Blanc

This is a decent idea, actually. It adds to the synergy of both traits and I don’t believe it takes anything away [at least not much] from any build’s effectiveness which uses them.

I wouldn’t mind.

I still would prefer switching DD with Master Fenster, though. Quite obviously, Evasive Mirror isn’t as powerful as ANet thought. So why not finally enable us to benefit from it when running Sword?

Xaylin.1860:

I wouldn’t mind.

I still would prefer switching DD with Master Fenster, though. Quite obviously, Evasive Mirror isn’t as powerful as ANet thought. So why not finally enable us to benefit from it when running Sword?

Wouldn’t work, since DD is a weapon-based trait, thus wouldn’t work as a minor. Also, both traits switched benefit quite a lot from the switch.

DD benefits from being able to have synergy with Phantasmal Fury, thus additional bleed from Sharper Images.

Mistrust benefits from being able to synergize with both DE or Harmonious Mantras, both improving Mistrust’s effectiveness.

More synergy on the whole with minimal collatoral damage to existing builds.

I meant Fencers Finesse, sorry.

Xaylin.1860:

I meant Fencers Finesse, sorry.

Ah~ Makes more sense. Perhaps push DD up to Master, FF up to GM, and Mistrust to Adept?

Sorry, but no.

DD is NOT GM worthy. It only affects an offhand weapon.. a whole 2 skills. Maybe, if we had pistol mainhand, so it would affect both MH and offhand, I could see it. (i.e. Imagine Burden)

GM traits are supposed to be “Build defining”. Unless you add something more to it, its not good enough.

+1 to this idea.

The only real loss is with builds that both liked iDuelists and the DE clone production. I ran one such build, but the swap doesn’t bother me either.

It’s also not a raw power grab in the sense that nothing is getting stronger…just different choices made available. Nothing in it would be directly overpowered, especially given how poor our damage is already.

SlimChance.6593:

Sorry, but no.

DD is NOT GM worthy. It only affects an offhand weapon.. a whole 2 skills. Maybe, if we had pistol mainhand, so it would affect both MH and offhand, I could see it. (i.e. Imagine Burden)

GM traits are supposed to be “Build defining”. Unless you add something more to it, its not good enough.

It doesn’t matter, I think, so long as the synergy throughout the whole line makes it worth it.

No it does matter.

DD is not strong enough compared to HM and DE. Heck, HM isn’t strong enough compared to DE.

SlimChance.6593:

No it does matter.

DD is not strong enough compared to HM and DE. Heck, HM isn’t strong enough compared to DE.

Nothing compares to DE, in terms of raw flexibility. Against HM, I’d say DD is up there in usefulness, with this change at least.

Xaylin.1860:

I wouldn’t mind.

I still would prefer switching DD with Fencer’s Finesse, though. Quite obviously, Evasive Mirror isn’t as powerful as ANet thought. So why not finally enable us to benefit from it when running Sword?

I think I remember disagreeing ages ago on this, but now I completely 180 that train of thought and fully agree with you.

Even IF Duellist’s Discipline “isn’t” grandmaster worthy … Well you say Mistrust on the other hand is? o.ô

I think Mistrust should be merged with Duelist’s Discipline and then made as a Grandmaster major.

That leaves room for Confusing Combatants to return maybe as an Adept major, and then Desperate Decoy can be deleted in favour of something better.

Curunen.8729:

Desperate Decoy can be deleted in favour of something better.

Wholeheartedly agree with this.

It is more GM worthy than DD, just because Mistrust gets triggered on “interrupt”. We have tons of way to “interrupt”, across multiple weapons and utility skills.

DD affects 2 skills on 1 weaponset.

SlimChance.6593:

It is more GM worthy than DD, just because Mistrust gets triggered on “interrupt”. We have tons of way to “interrupt”, across multiple weapons and utility skills.

DD affects 2 skills on 1 weaponset.

So you’d rather force a “theme” rather than design things in a way which plays in a more synergetic way?

I’m going to quote myself from the feedback thread-

“-Move the Signet trait to the dueling line- They are the closest thing mesmers have to a ‘condi utility’. Swapping positions with Fencer’s Finesse would be a perfect solution that would improve both Power and Condi options for Mesmer builds.

-Swap Master Fencer with Phantasmal Fury-Both condi and Power benefit from fury for their Phantasms. Power builds can choose MF in adept, and condi builds can go for Duelist discipline.

-Change Master of Misdirection from Confusion Duration to Confusion damage- Makes condi Mesmer in PvP more bursty, and improves confusions effects in PvE where most condi builds run 100% condition duration (or near to) making the trait a complete waste."

Curunen.8729:

Xaylin.1860:

I wouldn’t mind.

I still would prefer switching DD with Fencer’s Finesse, though. Quite obviously, Evasive Mirror isn’t as powerful as ANet thought. So why not finally enable us to benefit from it when running Sword?

I think I remember disagreeing ages ago on this, but now I completely 180 that train of thought and fully agree with you.

Hrhr.

Xaylin.1860:

Xaylin.1860:

I meant Fencers Finesse, sorry.

Ah~ Makes more sense. Perhaps push DD up to Master, FF up to GM, and Mistrust to Adept?

FF isn’t even remotely GM-worthy. Neither should Mistrust be on Adept. There just is no sensible reason to not just switch FF and DD. It would be the most flexible solution and we’d finally have a power trait on the Adept level.

Its a shame mesmer not only have no damage on weapon skills but also their damage moddifiers /stats are spread on 3 lines.
Domination have up to 12.5% from fragility
Dueling have up to 150 Ferocity
Illusions have up to 9% from compoundig power

so at most we can have 21.5% dmg mod +150 ferocity and we can not have chrono speced to bring all the madatory utility.
Also it was already mentioned its a pitty that this dmg mods are not sharable with phantasms, that detain like 60% of our total dps.