Guild Wars 2

I’ve posted about an elite mantra before, but had another idea and wanted to share it. If you don’t like mantras at all then you won’t like this ofc, but if you do then hear me out:

Elite Mantra: 1-2 charges, each charge instantly charges your other mantras. 90-240 sec cd. Charges and cd balanced however they need to be. This would only work on a mantra that is not charged, it wouldn’t add charges to say MoD with 1 charge left. That way you could not skip the cd in between chargings.

So for example you have MoD and Heal Mantra both uncharged, but your elite mantra has a charge. Then activating the elite mantra charge will instantly fully charge both your MoD and your heal mantra.

Having another mantra slotted as an elite would also be nice for Empowering Mantra builds, and so give us a nice boost to dmg in pve too. If you trait for Harmonious Mantras then your elite would also get an extra charge, and so it would be a buff to a somewhat iffy GM trait, making it pretty good and making mantra builds more viable.

With the recent buff to offensive mantras, I think more people are using them, and personally I love using them. An elite like this would buff something unique to the mesmer and I think make more people consider using these pretty awesome tools by relieving the main pain incurred when using them, the high (unreasonably high imo) cost of the long charge up.

Edit: Please don’t bother posting about how you hate mantras and why they are bad. They aren’t going anywhere and that discussion has been had many other places anyways.

I used subliminal influence on you to make this thread. =P

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/Elite-Mantra-of-Domination/first#post3710341

Firstly, I really like this idea and fully agree that it should be implemented immediately.

However, do you want to force the devs to somehow balance 6 AoE MoP spikes in as many seconds? not to mention the condi clear, stunbreak, and heals.

That assumes it fully charges your other mantras(2 charges, 3 with HM trait) if it just gave each of them one charge it might get closer to balanced, but that would be rather underwhelming in an elite skill.

Maybe one that fully recharged your last used mantra? I know that seems almost useless, but if it gave the mantra full charges again, and the elite wasn’t on a horrible cd it might work better. Besides, refreshing your last mantra seems much more Mesmer-y than just refreshing all of them.

Great idea, but difficult to balance.

Clownmug.8357:

I used subliminal influence on you to make this thread. =P

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/Elite-Mantra-of-Domination/first#post3710341

Ah, you got me lol :P. Ok well then consider this a thread devoted to your idea, because it’s a good one.

Kael.4538:

Firstly, I really like this idea and fully agree that it should be implemented immediately.

However, do you want to force the devs to somehow balance 6 AoE MoP spikes in as many seconds? not to mention the condi clear, stunbreak, and heals.

That assumes it fully charges your other mantras(2 charges, 3 with HM trait) if it just gave each of them one charge it might get closer to balanced, but that would be rather underwhelming in an elite skill.

Great idea, but difficult to balance.

Yes you are right, maybe it adds two charges, or maybe the charges have a cd, as in you activate your elite mantra and it fully charges your other mantras, but puts a 5 sec cd on them. Really the point of the elite is to allow you to run multiple mantras without having to charge each one individually, not to enable back to back uses of the mantras themselves, because yes this probably would be op.

This is really only an issue with MoP: It would only work if the mantra was off cd and uncharged, meaning you had used all it’s charges and incurred the cd. With MoD or Heal or any of the others with substantial cool downs, this means you used the 2 or 3 charges, the mantra went on cd, and once it comes up again you can use the elite charge to instantly charge them back up. All it saves you is the 2.75sec*(number of mantras you have) charge time. Because MoP has a 1 sec cd, yes this would allow 6 MoP spikes within 7 sec. But honestly you have to take MoP, and elite slow and a GM to do that, and MoP isn’t super strong to begin with so all things considered I don’t think this would be too OP.

With all the other mantras this would definitely not be OP.

Wow – image the burst of 9x mantra of pain O.O – while being stunned all the time xD wich stacks vuln ö.ö

Xyonon.3987:

Wow – image the burst of 9x mantra of pain O.O – while being stunned all the time xD wich stacks vuln ö.ö

Wait how would you get 9x MoP?

Well you got 3x for each MoP and 2 recharges -> 3*3=9

Xyonon.3987:

Well you got 3x for each MoP and 2 recharges -> 3*3=9

Well ya, but I was trying to say there would be some cd on it so you couldn’t do that. MoP is the only real problem here, as in in between using all charges the mantra should go through the entire cd. With other mantras this wouldn’t be a big deal, but ofc MoP has a 1 sec recharge.

I still don’t think it would be hugely OP because of the trait investment and giving up and elite to get it.

Or you could have it not affect MoP if this really seemed too OP. It’s definitely not OP with any of the others that have a real cd.

This might just be me, but having an elite skill that recharges all mantras if they are off cd seems kind of… useless.

This is probably just a difference in perception, but I have had many, many occasions where I wish I had just one or 2 more charges on my mantras, and I was envisioning an elite mantra to combat this and give the mantra builds more versatility overall through a more creative and intelligent use of mantras. Plus, all mantra builds would have significantly more sustain, which is something i believe mesmers sorely need.

Why not make the time between uses of the mantra on a decent cd like MoD? It doesn’t solve the problem of MoP except eliminating the 9 charge spike.

For an elite mantra skill, I was thinking of something like an echo skill from gw1. So it would go along the lines of charging the mantra, giving you a mantra echo buff. Once you charge another mantra, your elite skill will become a copy of that mantra and remove the echo buff. There’s a bit more work in balancing that would need to be done but I thought it would be an interesting idea.

Another concept I thought of was having the elite mantra have blank charge effects and any mantra charges you use will use up the blank charges instead. Once again, a lot of balancing needs to be thought into it but I thought it would be pretty cool.

Those are actually both really awesome ideas…