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Posted by: Fay.2357

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Please post feedback relevant to mirage WvW performance in this thread. I’ll try to keep the op updated to reflect the general thoughts that get posted here.

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Posted by: Infusion.7149

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I just can’t find a reason to use axe over scepter at all.

Also, losing alacrity from chrono is very bad. Alacrity makes sieging structures easier.

Mirage cloak is not superior to dodge because your position is the same. Want to dodge across a bridge to evade a ton of AoEs? All you do with mirage cloak is evade and die to cleave + whatever was dropped late…

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Posted by: Carighan.6758

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I can’t see a use for the spec, considering that all its power is bound in multi-ambush-attacks with clones, and those last at best a single frame in WvW combat and cannot be used near walls.

“But Cari! But Cari! What about roaming?”.. well, I had roaming specs before. Not very ‘elite’, this spec. All it might do is minimally change my trait selection when roaming, and change nothing about my gameplay.

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Posted by: Menaka.5092

Menaka.5092

Also, losing alacrity from chrono is very bad. Alacrity makes sieging structures easier.

That was supposed to be “fixed” ages ago.
(Hint for ANet: it’s not.)

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Posted by: pinkglow.3429

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I’m going to roll mirage wvwvw, good or not I can see myself having some fun (former shadowpriest in wow, used to being UP in pvp most of the time :P)

However, I imagine a lot of people here are more veteran mesmer players so I need your help to make it work

I will mostly solo, but every now and then join the zerg. What would be best weapons and gear and spec for it? I’ve asked in so many threads and made my own but only been met with silence Must be many of you who have speculated about it?

I felt the same that the axe might not be the best weapon for wvwvw in comparance to scepter, at least not in zerg, and perhaps even in roaming, though it feels like for roaming it won’t be completely useless. Perhaps to have a scepter handy for zerg wouldn’t be too bad? And I think we all agree that the only offhand to go with is torch?

The other weapon I feel like staff would be the best option. A powerbuild with GS seems fun in zerg, but that is to get an addition gear set when I have money, and atm I’m a poor pink asura mesmer, far from legendary armor as well :P

For gear I think about trailblazer/dire, because the survivalbility is not the best in mirage spec? Would it be losing out too much damage? Perhaps add some piece of viper into the gear?

For runes, is perplexity still the way to go? I can imagine lots of conditions going on with the new elite specs, so could antitoxin be a better option?`

I hope that in this thread I can receive some help?

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Posted by: Menaka.5092

Menaka.5092

To summarize even more my previous feedback: Mirage is a gimmick that doesn’t bring a new role for Mesmers in large scale battles, it doesn’t change our class mechanic that is notoriously broken in large scale, it doesn’t bring any good ground targeted AoE or any other utility for the group.

As for small scale roaming, it can do some funny stuff, but we already had several good roaming builds for both Mesmer and Chronomancer, so it doesn’t add anything of value there either.

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Posted by: Carighan.6758

Carighan.6758

As for small scale roaming, it can do some funny stuff, but we already had several good roaming builds for both Mesmer and Chronomancer, so it doesn’t add anything of value there either.

I think that’s actually the best way to summarize the failure of this spec: It tries to (badly) solve a problem which doesn’t actually exist!

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Posted by: RlyOsim.2497

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From a solo/groups up to 5 perspective. Only on power gear.

Needs a swiftness on dodge trait. Running 25% (etc.) runes hits build diversity very hard.

The mobility in combat is great but the spec doesn’t add much in the way of (power) damage. Like, giving up f5 multi shatters is pretty huge for dps. The Mirage line doesn’t really add much incentive for playing the burst style that the spec seems to encourage.

I understand why it’s not but the shadowstep skill would be great as a ground targeted skill.

The utility skills seem awkward outside of the shadowstep one.

Jaunt could use a range increase. If not a range increase maybe throw a blast finisher on there instead.

Overall, it’s a lot of fun in really small scale combat (>3) but anything beyond that it feels weak. Feels like a very selfish spec.

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Posted by: Carighan.6758

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Honestly the 25% lost runspeed is bad now, but once we have the mounts then out of combat runspeed no longer matters and in-combat superspeed is better anyhow.

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Posted by: Levetty.1279

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The biggest problem of course is Illusions are useless in WvW. The only thing this spec might have brought was aoe condi through staff ambush but that is one skill and its too slow and too weak to do anything in large scale fights.

In roaming the problem becomes the same as PvP, what can this do that Chrono or even base Mesmer can’t do better.

Honestly the 25% lost runspeed is bad now, but once we have the mounts then out of combat runspeed no longer matters and in-combat superspeed is better anyhow.

Are they bringing mounts to WvW?

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Posted by: Hackuuna.4085

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I tried both full zerk and full condi Mirage in WvW this past weekend and it’s definitely extremely strong. In large scale fights it far outperforms base Mesmer and of course doesn’t bring any utility that the Chrono does bring.

Having said that, I don’t play Chrono for the utility in zerg fights as I only play it full zerk or full condi. My impression is that my Chrono will do better in some situations and Mirage will do better in others, but the overall fun factor goes to Mirage.

I completely disagree with those saying the class mechanic sucks, as it seems to be a l2p issue. When you dodge with Mirage you can move freely in any direction you want. I think the dodge backwards might be the only situation where regular dodge has an advantage but even then an about face would do almost the same.

In terms of small or solo roaming the Mirage is going to bubble to the top of the food chain as the mobility and cleave is top notch.

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Posted by: pinkglow.3429

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I tried both full zerk and full condi Mirage in WvW this past weekend and it’s definitely extremely strong. In large scale fights it far outperforms base Mesmer and of course doesn’t bring any utility that the Chrono does bring.

Having said that, I don’t play Chrono for the utility in zerg fights as I only play it full zerk or full condi. My impression is that my Chrono will do better in some situations and Mirage will do better in others, but the overall fun factor goes to Mirage.

I completely disagree with those saying the class mechanic sucks, as it seems to be a l2p issue. When you dodge with Mirage you can move freely in any direction you want. I think the dodge backwards might be the only situation where regular dodge has an advantage but even then an about face would do almost the same.

In terms of small or solo roaming the Mirage is going to bubble to the top of the food chain as the mobility and cleave is top notch.

What gear/weapon/runes do you recommend for condimirage in wvwvw?

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Posted by: Beautilation.7915

Beautilation.7915

theres no clone death, it performs really bad. needs fixing.

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Posted by: Menaka.5092

Menaka.5092

I’m going to roll mirage wvwvw, good or not I can see myself having some fun (former shadowpriest in wow, used to being UP in pvp most of the time :P)

shadow priest had a good EH boost from the shadowform (and still access to heals if he needed to), good sustain with shields, good control and great damage, Mirage has none of that

However, I imagine a lot of people here are more veteran mesmer players so I need your help to make it work

I will mostly solo, but every now and then join the zerg. What would be best weapons and gear and spec for it? I’ve asked in so many threads and made my own but only been met with silence Must be many of you who have speculated about it?

I can’t honestly recommend tanking Mirage over core Mesmer for roaming. Forget about zergs with a condi Mesmer (or Chrono or Mirage), we don’t have any reliable way of applying conditions in large scale fights.

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Posted by: eldenbri.1059

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I only tested for a few hours. I put videos in another thread to show the build I was trying and how it turned out.

As a roamer in WvW, I would continue to play my current Chrono build over what I was able to test with Mirage. There are some neat ideas there, but the issues seem like:
- No easy access to passive run speed (and I assume mounts won’t be in WvW)
- Couldn’t find a condi defense that I was happy with
- Feels like overall survivability is too low (I end up in a lot of outnumbered fights)
- I think I can put out more damage (especially on multiple targets) with Chrono

I think over time, I could probably find a build and get to a point where I could be somewhat close to as effective as my current build, but I don’t see anything that would be materially better – so it’s hard to justify switching based on this.