Guild Wars 2

Tired of PU Mesmer builds? Looking for fast paced intense fun in pvp/wvw? Give this build a try, I’ve been messing with it since tues (11/4/14 patch) and it’s been a lot of fun!!!!!

http://youtu.be/htmaw1uSzKU

Let me know what you think!!!

EDIT: Build link in video description.

Considering removing sigil of battle an adding sigil of earth for a bleed stack (a cover condition?) with the amount of prec this build offers it should proc every shatter and last 7secs with food buff.

Not to be rude, but I clicked through your video for about 15 seconds. All I saw was some gameplay and a speaking overview, and then I left.

If you’re going to post a build, you need to have a clear and concise presentation of what the build actually is. Clear and concise means either a direct walkthrough of the build with your build window open or a link to a build site – a link being the much preferred option.

If you’re just showing a gameplay video, then do what you want, but don’t expect people to sit through several minutes of talking just to find out what your build is.

You are correct, will have to add link, only problem is right now different members in my havoc squad are using different armor (carrion vs rabbid) didn’t think it was too big a deal because it was explained and the video is only 2.5 mins vs build vids that are 20+ mins.

This looks like a pu build that’s only missing pu…

300 less toughness, no automatic defensive boons, (regen and protection at 75% health) no def boons on stealth (PU) , capable of extremely high burst and a shatter build (don’t think a PU shatter build exists since shatter dmg would break stealth (counter productive). People associate torch with PU but the confusion stacks the Mage dishes out adds to my attacks nicely and fire dmg is the best condi dmg in game.

Zadarh.1932:

300 less toughness, no automatic defensive boons, (regen and protection at 75% health) no def boons on stealth (PU)

Accurate

Zadarh.1932:

capable of extremely high burst

Extremely inaccurate. Just being a shatter build doesn’t automatically give you extremely high burst. It’s a pretty standard maim build. You can burst torment a bit, but it’s easily cleanseable and isn’t anywhere approaching what would be considered ‘extremely high burst’.

When you can land the burst and it doesn’t get cleansed, you can put out pretty solid damage. Unfortunately, you have 0 cover conditions, so it’s effortless to cleanse the torment off.

Build link in vid description now!

@Fay in video a guardian goes from almost full health to down in around 4 secs (if you slow the video you can see the torment tick 2k/sec and the confusion do 2k and 1.6k dmg, I would consider that high burst), the fight was not 4 secs, I shattered twice, teased with staff and scepter, saw the panic purging flames go off and landed a 5 clone shatter.

Zadarh.1932:

300 less toughness, no automatic defensive boons, (regen and protection at 75% health) no def boons on stealth (PU) , capable of extremely high burst and a shatter build (don’t think a PU shatter build exists since shatter dmg would break stealth (counter productive). People associate torch with PU but the confusion stacks the Mage dishes out adds to my attacks nicely and fire dmg is the best condi dmg in game.

If this build is counter to stealth then why bring a stealth weapon and utility and elite, unless stealth is your only defense in which case that seems to be hindering your build more than helping it

Let’s do some quick math…
1 (3) clone F-1 shatter (if all hit) = 6 stacks of torment and3 stacks of confusion.
6 stacks of torment = AT LEAST 900dps with this build

Enemy wipes because only a fool lets almost 1k bleed out/sec

Fight conts…

1 (3) clone F-2 shatter, same dps as before but double confusion, opponent wipes (2 condi cleanses in seconds)

I can shatter again right now if I wanted too (still have f-3 and f-4) but usually I will gauge opponents health. How much condi cleanse do ppl have? I have been using this build for a few days and the short answer is at least 60% of the ppl don’t have enough.

Zadarh.1932:

Build link in vid description now!

@Fay in video a guardian goes from almost full health to down in around 4 secs (if you slow the video you can see the torment tick 2k/sec and the confusion do 2k and 1.6k dmg, I would consider that high burst), the fight was not 4 secs, I shattered twice, teased with staff and scepter, saw the panic purging flames go off and landed a 5 clone shatter.

If torment is ticking for 2k, that means they have ~10 stacks of torment on them and are moving. Note that it’s quite difficult to achieve that and it can be cut in half by them simply standing still. Confusion is similar insofar as the damage is easily mitigated by just not attacking for 4 seconds.

Note that a power shatter build would be able to do upwards of 10k-12k damage instantly with a proper burst combo. That burst combo would be difficult to pull off, but no more difficult than it is to actually land 10 stacks of torment on someone.

It certainly has the potential to do quite reasonable damage, but it is in no way high burst.

@swish
All utilities chosen have defensive and offensive uses and that’s why they were chosen.
Stealth offers “first strike” and a second to charge mantra without interruption.

If I could I would remove mass invis and put in phantasmal disenchanter! It’s long windup makes it not so great for a get-out-of-jail-free card.

@Fay

Straight Zerk shatter offers amazing burst but you are very squishy. If you went from power burst to condi burst you lose some burst but gain a lot of survivability.

Also conditions are not affected by boons, when I ran power shatter I hated protection.

Zadarh.1932:

@Fay
Straight Zerk shatter offers amazing burst but you are very squishy. If you went from power burst to condi burst you lose some burst but gain a lot of survivability.

You gain a bit of toughness. In reality, you’re almost as squishy though, depending on what weapons you use.

Zadarh.1932:

Also conditions are not affected by boons, when I ran power shatter I hated protection.

If you’re playing shatter without shattered concentration, you’re doing it very very wrong.

@Fay
I thought Zerk shatter was Zerk everything and rubies for runes running 20/20/0/0/30 or 4/4/0/0/6, where is the toughness coming from?
As for shattered concentration… Yup I goofed there, used GS training for extra power and faster shatter fodder. But that was before when sigils all shared same cooldown so sigil of energy wasn’t what it is today.

i play other mtd build (non pu)

have you ever killed an shatter mesmer or s/d thieves

they are my worst nightmare

i will later post it and explain why i think its better then yours … (imo )

messiah.1908:

i play other mtd build (non pu)

have you ever killed an shatter mesmer or s/d thieves

they are my worst nightmare

i will later post it and explain why i think its better then yours … (imo )

Hey Messiah,
I have not fought a shatter Mesmer with this build yet (really it’s only a few days old) but I have killed more than a few thieves with it in pvp. The scepter 2 in pvp is a thief killer, they are usually downed or they run and hide.

Sadly in WvW there are fewer capture circles so they run farther away and stealth longer.

Here are my thoughts regarding thief fighting
Firstly all of my utilities are stun breakers, if a thief pounces on me with a daze n dmg combo I will more than likely use mirror images+heal(to wash off blind)+any shatter but not mind wrack. Because the thief is on top o me he took the shatter at point blank.

Then dodge,dodge + press 2 (how can I say press 2? What if I am using the wrong weapon?!? I cannot be using the wrong weapon!!!! Staff 2 is phase retreat, I have 3 staff clones out rdy to mess up the thief. If it’s the scepter I have that beautiful torment block!!!!! And if you are using heal mantra you can heal while blocking if it’s charged!)

Thief comes back with stupid rotation, decoy+wep swap+dodge+heal(remove blind)+ shatter again. Press 2…

Alls the thief is doing is slowing me down, while this is going on I am still moving towards a camp I want to take.

If you are near the ruins jump into the deep water, only a fool would follow a Mesmer in the water!!! Perma blind thief cannot Perma blind in the water. Smart thieves know this and will stay out, dumb ones will jump in to their deaths. Sometimes I feign panic before jumping in so they jump in out of excitement.

When it comes to thieves stay calm/focused and DONT BLOW ALL YOUR UTILITIES AT ONCE!

I am actually thinking about putting together a Mesmer vs series, it will be posted here if I do but first I am going to put up some wvw map strategy tips.

Zadarh.1932:

messiah.1908:

i play other mtd build (non pu)

have you ever killed an shatter mesmer or s/d thieves

they are my worst nightmare

i will later post it and explain why i think its better then yours … (imo )

Hey Messiah,
I have not fought a shatter Mesmer with this build yet (really it’s only a few days old) but I have killed more than a few thieves with it in pvp. The scepter 2 in pvp is a thief killer, they are usually downed or they run and hide.

Sadly in WvW there are fewer capture circles so they run farther away and stealth longer.

Here are my thoughts regarding thief fighting
Firstly all of my utilities are stun breakers, if a thief pounces on me with a daze n dmg combo I will more than likely use mirror images+heal(to wash off blind)+any shatter but not mind wrack. Because the thief is on top o me he took the shatter at point blank.

Then dodge,dodge + press 2 (how can I say press 2? What if I am using the wrong weapon?!? I cannot be using the wrong weapon!!!! Staff 2 is phase retreat, I have 3 staff clones out rdy to mess up the thief. If it’s the scepter I have that beautiful torment block!!!!! And if you are using heal mantra you can heal while blocking if it’s charged!)

Thief comes back with stupid rotation, decoy+wep swap+dodge+heal(remove blind)+ shatter again. Press 2…

Alls the thief is doing is slowing me down, while this is going on I am still moving towards a camp I want to take.

If you are near the ruins jump into the deep water, only a fool would follow a Mesmer in the water!!! Perma blind thief cannot Perma blind in the water. Smart thieves know this and will stay out, dumb ones will jump in to their deaths. Sometimes I feign panic before jumping in so they jump in out of excitement.

When it comes to thieves stay calm/focused and DONT BLOW ALL YOUR UTILITIES AT ONCE!

I am actually thinking about putting together a Mesmer vs series, it will be posted here if I do but first I am going to put up some wvw map strategy tips.

thanks

any thief i can handle but the s/d (good ones who are patient) in wvw i mean
they perma dodge/ evade is more than 50% chance i miss my shatter so my only chance is IE with staff more than shatter but then they run away cleanse and repeat
and shatter mesmer take me less in 1 min as they know all our tricks
in pvp i hardly lost yet in 1v1 in hot join or tpvp (but king of the hill i lost 50%) versus thief as it hard to win the stealth game