Guild Wars 2

Was running 0/20/20/0/30; there are tons of builds and discussions on the forums, but I haven’t seen a single IP.

alanis.6094:

Was running 0/20/20/0/30; there are tons of builds and discussions on the forums, but I haven’t seen a single IP.

If you mean a standard confusion bomb build, then that has never really been effective.

Shatter build is still viable. I usually run 20/20/0/0/30, and it does the job pretty well.

For mesmers(and for many other classes), conditions seem to be the name of the game nowdays. It’s pretty rare to see old school shatter mesmers anymore.

Shatter builds are not as strong as they used to be for various reasons including the nerf to Blurry Frenzy, more players wearing high toughness, the condition meta and basically opponents knowing how to avoid shatter damage.

That said, probably the only viable shatter builds right now are Osicat’s Shatter Heavy 3.0 and the Shatter hybrid that uses sword/torch. I would suggest Osicat’s though if you really want to try Shatter.

Glad to see Osicat still playing. Got a link to his thread/build? (scrolled a few pages deep and didn’t see it)

alanis.6094:

Glad to see Osicat still playing. Got a link to his thread/build? (scrolled a few pages deep and didn’t see it)

Nm found it. (Google is your friend)

Unfortunately Osicat and his guild Judge are no longer playing GW2 and have moved over the Final Fantasy for now. Hopefully he will be back.

Also his thread is in the stickies with a link to his website.

I used to play his Shatter Heavy 3.0 build in WvW for a long time with decent results but I have since switched over the Blackwater build (except mine is a variation with Traveler runes) and have been enjoying it more.

Xavi.6591:

Unfortunately Osicat and his guild Judge are no longer playing GW2 and have moved over the Final Fantasy for now. Hopefully he will be back.

Also his thread is in the stickies with a link to his website.

I used to play his Shatter Heavy 3.0 build in WvW for a long time with decent results but I have since switched over the Blackwater build (except mine is a variation with Traveler runes) and have been enjoying it more.

Pretty much this^

I’ve been rolling a mix of carrion and rabid with 0-20-20-0-30 lately using staff scepter/focus with runes of perplexity to very good results. I know the focus is weird but i need some speed plus it procs the runes of perplexity not to mention knockdowns are always nice.

The heavy shatter 3.0 is a awesome build. My problem is that so many super tanky warriors now days I feel that crit shatter damage ist just too predicatble and can’t maintain enough pressure considering every warrior is regening crazy amounts of health non stop.

Confusion is gone after this patch. Complete garbage now. It ruined my only build that I enjoyed on my mesmer. My mesmer is now retired. They nerfed something that wasn’t even op or used much. GG Anet. Thanks for forcing me off my mesmer. Useless for my play style now.

How did this patch affect confusion?
I only see very slight buff for Mesmers:
•Confusing Images: Reduced the recharge from 15 seconds to 12 seconds.

Korusef.3714:

How did this patch affect confusion?
I only see very slight buff for Mesmers:
•Confusing Images: Reduced the recharge from 15 seconds to 12 seconds.

Confusion specifically wasn’t changed unless there was a ninja nerf to perlexity or something.

Illusionary Counter recharge was also reduced by 2 seconds but it’s watered down a bit to me since it still doesn’t stack with Illusionists’s Celerity.

Wait.. what?
IC doesn’t reduce iCounter CD?

Rufy.6093:

Confusion is gone after this patch. Complete garbage now. It ruined my only build that I enjoyed on my mesmer. My mesmer is now retired. They nerfed something that wasn’t even op or used much. GG Anet. Thanks for forcing me off my mesmer. Useless for my play style now.

Did I miss something?

I think the nerf they are referring to is that traited duelist no longer is 100% physical projectile combo chance. People were dropping a null field + duelist for a ton of confusion stacks.

Pyroatheist.9031:

alanis.6094:

Was running 0/20/20/0/30; there are tons of builds and discussions on the forums, but I haven’t seen a single IP.

If you mean a standard confusion bomb build, then that has never really been effective.

You can’t be serious. Maybe not in spvp, but in wvw shatter confusion and glamour confusion specs were so strong that they were hit with some of the hardest nerfs in wvw balance history.

cyyrix.6105:

Pyroatheist.9031:

alanis.6094:

Was running 0/20/20/0/30; there are tons of builds and discussions on the forums, but I haven’t seen a single IP.

If you mean a standard confusion bomb build, then that has never really been effective.

You can’t be serious. Maybe not in spvp, but in wvw shatter confusion and glamour confusion specs were so strong that they were hit with some of the hardest nerfs in wvw balance history.

Glamour != confusion bomb.

Confusion bomb shatter builds have always been absolutely abysmal, even before the nerf. They have 0 pressure and can be countered by the complicated method known as /dance.

everyone is running tanky condition builds, and shatter sucks against them.

keenlam.4753:

Wait.. what?
IC doesn’t reduce iCounter CD?

never has… I think the same can be said for illusionary riposte on the off hand sword.

Pyroatheist.9031:

cyyrix.6105:

Pyroatheist.9031:

alanis.6094:

Was running 0/20/20/0/30; there are tons of builds and discussions on the forums, but I haven’t seen a single IP.

If you mean a standard confusion bomb build, then that has never really been effective.

You can’t be serious. Maybe not in spvp, but in wvw shatter confusion and glamour confusion specs were so strong that they were hit with some of the hardest nerfs in wvw balance history.

Glamour != confusion bomb.

Confusion bomb shatter builds have always been absolutely abysmal, even before the nerf. They have 0 pressure and can be countered by the complicated method known as /dance.

I disagree that shatter confusion builds are worthless. IMO glamour builds are worthless, but i also rarely zerg. In zergs yes they’re pretty bad, solo roaming or havocing a confusion shatter build is very very strong.

For my purposes of havocing and solo roaming shatter confusion builds have been working very well ever since torment was added to scepter 2.

Pyroatheist.9031:

cyyrix.6105:

Pyroatheist.9031:

alanis.6094:

Was running 0/20/20/0/30; there are tons of builds and discussions on the forums, but I haven’t seen a single IP.

If you mean a standard confusion bomb build, then that has never really been effective.

You can’t be serious. Maybe not in spvp, but in wvw shatter confusion and glamour confusion specs were so strong that they were hit with some of the hardest nerfs in wvw balance history.

Glamour != confusion bomb.

Confusion bomb shatter builds have always been absolutely abysmal, even before the nerf. They have 0 pressure and can be countered by the complicated method known as /dance.

Flat out wrong. Shatter confusion builds were insanely effective pre-nerf. Maybe you were playing pve?

cyyrix.6105:

Pyroatheist.9031:

cyyrix.6105:

Pyroatheist.9031:

alanis.6094:

Was running 0/20/20/0/30; there are tons of builds and discussions on the forums, but I haven’t seen a single IP.

If you mean a standard confusion bomb build, then that has never really been effective.

You can’t be serious. Maybe not in spvp, but in wvw shatter confusion and glamour confusion specs were so strong that they were hit with some of the hardest nerfs in wvw balance history.

Glamour != confusion bomb.

Confusion bomb shatter builds have always been absolutely abysmal, even before the nerf. They have 0 pressure and can be countered by the complicated method known as /dance.

Flat out wrong. Shatter confusion builds were insanely effective pre-nerf. Maybe you were playing pve?

Prenerf confusion shatter specs were a instant and easy win against anything but condi removal spec thieves. While the nerf sucks, confusion was super strong prenerf.

Godmoney.2048:

cyyrix.6105:

Pyroatheist.9031:

cyyrix.6105:

Pyroatheist.9031:

alanis.6094:

Was running 0/20/20/0/30; there are tons of builds and discussions on the forums, but I haven’t seen a single IP.

If you mean a standard confusion bomb build, then that has never really been effective.

You can’t be serious. Maybe not in spvp, but in wvw shatter confusion and glamour confusion specs were so strong that they were hit with some of the hardest nerfs in wvw balance history.

Glamour != confusion bomb.

Confusion bomb shatter builds have always been absolutely abysmal, even before the nerf. They have 0 pressure and can be countered by the complicated method known as /dance.

Flat out wrong. Shatter confusion builds were insanely effective pre-nerf. Maybe you were playing pve?

Prenerf confusion shatter specs were a instant and easy win against anything but condi removal spec thieves. While the nerf sucks, confusion was super strong prenerf.

Yes I believe there is a video of an extremely skilled Mesmer who did both 10/30/0/30 shatter and a confusion shatter bomb with scepter. He constantly solod some zergs and did 1v3s but that was pre nerf confusion and it was arounf 4-6 months after release. Regardless he was a great Mesmer but I had forgotten his name.

Also shatter and confusion shatter bombs didn’t (and still don’t really) contribute to a zerg vs zerg match so it was mostly for roaming

Shatter and confusion specs dont contribute to a zerg vs zerg? lol okay.

Godmoney.2048:

cyyrix.6105:

Pyroatheist.9031:

cyyrix.6105:

Pyroatheist.9031:

alanis.6094:

Was running 0/20/20/0/30; there are tons of builds and discussions on the forums, but I haven’t seen a single IP.

If you mean a standard confusion bomb build, then that has never really been effective.

You can’t be serious. Maybe not in spvp, but in wvw shatter confusion and glamour confusion specs were so strong that they were hit with some of the hardest nerfs in wvw balance history.

Glamour != confusion bomb.

Confusion bomb shatter builds have always been absolutely abysmal, even before the nerf. They have 0 pressure and can be countered by the complicated method known as /dance.

Flat out wrong. Shatter confusion builds were insanely effective pre-nerf. Maybe you were playing pve?

Prenerf confusion shatter specs were a instant and easy win against anything but condi removal spec thieves. While the nerf sucks, confusion was super strong prenerf.

Prenerf confusion bomb specs were an instant and easy win against anyone incompetent. I was never killed by one, I just waited 3seconds for the confusion to wear off. Remember, perplexity runes didn’t exist back then, so Mesmer confusion only lasted about 5 seconds maximum for non glamour application.

aaron.7850:

everyone is running tanky condition builds, and shatter sucks against them.

lulz, totally gonna disagree with you there. Shatter’s still largely effective. It’s all in the execution. If you want to be successful, you gotta be unpredictable.

Confusion Glamour was super effective pre nerf when run with a group of Mesmers, especially in mindless zerg mentality when people spammed 1 due to lag and killed themselves, I understand what you are saying Pyro, and I never would have used it roaming, yet mindless zerg mentality allowed it to be very effective, and those same mindless people who didn’t understand how to counter it and whined incessantly were responsible for its nerf. Instead of learning to play, they were rewarded by their whinging by the nerf.

Cares Less.9631:

Confusion Glamour was super effective pre nerf when run with a group of Mesmers, especially in mindless zerg mentality when people spammed 1 due to lag and killed themselves, I understand what you are saying Pyro, and I never would have used it roaming, yet mindless zerg mentality allowed it to be very effective, and those same mindless people who didn’t understand how to counter it and whined incessantly were responsible for its nerf. Instead of learning to play, they were rewarded by their whinging by the nerf.

In one of my replies, I clarified that glamour builds are not confusion bombs. Glamour = low confusion stacks to high number of players. Confusion bomb = high confusion stacks to low number of players.

Glamour works (worked…) well, confusion bomb not so much.

Gotcha, I should read more carefully :-)

@Pyro:
How did confusion bomb build work before? This build type obviously predates my time in the game.
Did it rely on Cry of Frustration shatter?

keenlam.4753:

@Pyro:
How did confusion bomb build work before? This build type obviously predates my time in the game.
Did it rely on Cry of Frustration shatter?

It was pretty simple, you just bursted high amounts of confusion using shatters. Before confusion damage was nerfed, people could kill themselves pretty quickly if they weren’t paying attention, but if you didn’t just spam buttons you could wait until the confusion wore off, then kill the mesmer.

This still works vs blobs, but it’s not as strong as before.

for the curious ones:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=o3ORbmjDPuE

one of the strongest op wvw builds in mesmer history, imo.
rip :’(

Pyroatheist.9031:

keenlam.4753:

@Pyro:
How did confusion bomb build work before? This build type obviously predates my time in the game.
Did it rely on Cry of Frustration shatter?

It was pretty simple, you just bursted high amounts of confusion using shatters. Before confusion damage was nerfed, people could kill themselves pretty quickly if they weren’t paying attention, but if you didn’t just spam buttons you could wait until the confusion wore off, then kill the mesmer.

Well played confusion shatter specs would space out application and burst at moments of vulnerability. Unless you were fighting a clueless mesmer, it was never as easy as “wait until the confusion wore off, then kill the mesmer”.