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Well to help you optimize, I don’t know why youre running sword/sword on a condition clone death build, other than for the fact it looks cool.

a much more useful choice would be staff or simply changing the offhand to torch, other than that, while the trait distribution provides clone uptime, it may not be the best way to spend your traits but its not too bad imo, just not something I would think of.

Stat wise, itsa waste to use the iduelist with carrion, you’d get so much more bleeding out of rabid.

You also have 0 condition removal which will make free kills to necromancers and many engineers and general group spam fights. I don’t really like your runes much, so I’d change them to krait/afflicted or undead or something like that.

Trait wise this is a carbon copy of Keenlam’s Clone Spammer build…. You use different weapons, and try to optimize on power…. which…? Why?

However yes this build has been explored and is nothing new really.

kaikalii.4198:

Sorry, but crippling dissipation and debilitating dissipation only work when your enemy kills a clone, not when a clone dies from being overwritten by another. Because of this, there is not reason to “clone spam”. You don’t need to make clones any faster than they are destroyed.

This is untrue. I tested this on golems with scepter autoattack. its very much applies the condition(s).

kaikalii.4198:

Sorry, but crippling dissipation and debilitating dissipation only work when your enemy kills a clone, not when a clone dies from being overwritten by another. Because of this, there is not reason to “clone spam”. You don’t need to make clones any faster than they are destroyed.

Far far far from the truth. Clone death counts as the following things:

• Enemy Dies
• Clone is killed by enemy
• Clone is overwritten by another clone/phantasm.
  The only time these traits will not proc is if the mesmer hits a shatter skill. That’s it. Other than that if the clone is removed from the field he will proc these traits.

nearlight.3064:

kaikalii.4198:

Sorry, but crippling dissipation and debilitating dissipation only work when your enemy kills a clone, not when a clone dies from being overwritten by another. Because of this, there is not reason to “clone spam”. You don’t need to make clones any faster than they are destroyed.

This is untrue. I tested this on golems with scepter autoattack. its very much applies the condition(s).

Ah thank you. It would seem I was misinformed.

jportell.2197:

Trait wise this is a carbon copy of Keenlam’s Clone Spammer build…. You use different weapons, and try to optimize on power…. which…? Why?

However yes this build has been explored and is nothing new really.

I’ve recently returned to mesmer PvP and wanted to try out the build above. And yes I see that the type of build has been thoroughly worked on and greatly improved overtime. But the one who originally came up with this build is myself all the way back at the start of September 2012.
http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/63485-no-shatteringjust-explosions/

nearlight.3064:

Well to help you optimize, I don’t know why youre running sword/sword on a condition clone death build, other than for the fact it looks cool.

a much more useful choice would be staff or simply changing the offhand to torch, other than that, while the trait distribution provides clone uptime, it may not be the best way to spend your traits but its not too bad imo, just not something I would think of.

Stat wise, itsa waste to use the iduelist with carrion, you’d get so much more bleeding out of rabid.

You also have 0 condition removal which will make free kills to necromancers and many engineers and general group spam fights. I don’t really like your runes much, so I’d change them to krait/afflicted or undead or something like that.

Well first off, this is a hybrid build so carrion and adventure following in that path. Sword clones melee so they chase after enemies so the cond. are applied more often which makes them quite awesome (and your right it is an awesome looking set =3). But I really wanted the focus of the build to focus on making more and more clones and making sure they got the cond. on enemies.

But, I found I do have trouble with cond. and should prob go with null field as a ultility to switch out and your weapon and rune choices do make for an awesome cond. build I should try implementing.

Well, I have tried to already use Keenlam’s clone spammer traits to make a hybrid build. Ask Keenlam, he might still remember the thread where we talked about this specific matter. This build is not that good at 1 vs X, which is a very real problem in wvw. Unlike the shattercat build, you lack mobility from usage of staff, and this will result in you getting targetted so often after running out of stealth. Then a Necro can finish you off, as you seem to lack condition removal. Just my thought. I love the weapon combo though. Awesome frickin work on that area.

Hey guys, I’m adding the condition specific build. It works like the main one but makes use of a different set of tools i.e. staff instead of dual swords. Credit goes to Keenlam’s Clone Spammer Build for the base of the build.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fgAQNAW7alwzaqXUTqGbNJipCBHaGXH2RqQpVmxsdhA-TsAAzCuI+S9l7LzXyisFN+Y9xeBA

While you will lose the extra dodge on heal and extra interrupt of sword #4, you make up for it with the tankiness of the staff abilities. After testing this build for awhile, its just as fun to play (with less clones and awesome explosions) while being much more viable at Tpvp.

Cry of Frustration also is the best shatter to use with this build even with on-death traits cause you still generate a ridiculous amount of clones. On the down side your clones wont chase enemies to hell like they did with the sword but playing like a clone and retreating from attacks that come for you solves that problem making this a very good point holding build.

EDIT:

Changed the build to include Mirror Images over Blink
Changed Illusionary Elasticity (Illusions VIII) for Compounding Power (Illusions III)
Changed Phantasmal Fury (Dueling II) for Desperate Decoy (Dueling V)

Reasons for change:
With the addition of staff to this build, Blink is really redundant (esp. since it has no added effect like thief or ele blinks) and Mirror Images helps to make up for the clone production that s/s provided while still having an extra stun-break.

Illusions VIII only applies bounce for staff #1 (not including staff clone autos) so Illusions III was taken over it. Phantasmal Haste (Illusions X) is also a viable choice but better suited for those who stay on the s/p over the staff.

While Phantasmal Fury is a good choice to increase iDuelist’s bleeds applied, it doesn’t help much with increasing iWarlock’s power unlike how it does with the main build’s iSwordsman. Desperate Decoy helps contribute both to your survivability and conditions applied (and because invis ttly makes anyone rage xD)

While I think the extra build focus is good, you might consider trying out a GS variation. GS is currently very popular in pvp. You’d probably want to trait GS as well which would force your build to change some. However, when IC only costs 15 in December it will be an eaiser adjustment.

Another thing to note on clone spam builds is the behavior of the clones. We only have one clone type that will approach your target and that’s the sword clone. All other clones will sit back at a distance based on the range of their weapon. This makes carrying a sword on clone spam builds very helpful.

Hey there Helios,
I’ve tried to find a place for the greatsword in one of these builds but it looks like it really doesn’t fit anywhere. It does well that gs #2 will put the clone on top of the enemy and the iBerserker also keeps close to them as well. But, there wasn’t a place for it in the cond build b/c it’s too power reliant. While it might work in the hybrid build, s/s is better suited as the power weapon set with its greater cloning potential and do to the fact the sword clones will chase the enemy. But, like you said, gs is really on the rise and I was really hoping to find a good niche for it in the clone on-death builds. The best place for it would have to be switching it out for s/s.