ll, this discussion could never come to an end. Because there is a huge variety of different possebilities. Groups which already have enough buff support don´t need mesmersw with such a spec. Of course the big buffs only come wth the elite on high cd´s but it is still possible to buff a lot of other stuff without these tricks, u miss the point that the sigil doesn´t need buffs from yourself, it is also powerful if u only use buffs from your team. If u don´t need the heal and the reflect, which is probably only important for random zerg players – u can go more offensive and play with reduced signet cd´s. or with area blinds. And this build was more or less made for the common zerg players and the common gvg players, I understand your point and in a high skill gvg fight with two awesome guilds u are right! There are better options than that. But a video which would present a high skill required gvg spec would made 90% of the watchers unhappy, because they couldn´t handle it with their common groups or let me say untrained groups. And most of all – i wouldn´t be the guy who bring this 10% specs out because I don´t play gvgs so it would be kinda selfown if I would make myself to an selfcalled gvg pro.
But when player tell me that they love it because they can run with more offensive guards/warriors now and deal as group more dmg than befor, well I guess than it´s a point for the build and it doesn´t matter what dmg I, as single player, deal.
And the most GvGs I´ve watched on youtube is like walking in each other and smash buttons – almost no group play with positional suprises like ports- I don´t know why but I guess because it´s uncommon or because it needs really good teamplay the most of them obviously don´t have. The same like VEIL in a gvg, I guess it´s a redicolous skill because everybody knows what gonne happen and if the own zerg simply turn the direction 180° for 2 seconds it´s already “blogged”. It´s still used by many gvg guilds – why? Because they are forced in their casual movement.
Well i´m not surprised that red guard player don´t see the point in this spec, because it´s simply not in their buisness. I guess ur teams belong to another league of gvg play, I guess your mesmers are smart enough to know that gvg players like u aren´t the guys this build was made for. It´s the same like good 1on1 mesmer present their special specs which aren´t useable for 90% of the casual gamer which have to be a little bit more allround – u don´t know what for specs i´m talkin about? Exactly because no smart guy would publish stuff the “common folk” can´t handle. I don´t wanne say all others are bad – for example my shatterrupt build I made 3months ago, was so difficult to play that even I had troubles in 1on2 fights-without mistakes it was a granted win with one mistake it was almost the end. So I was “happy” that a patch destroyed it to protect the world from lot of ingame “pain” =D.
But I don´t wanna force u guys to use the spec, those who like it have fun those who have better specs for their setups use others. As long I receive more positive response than negative I´m still happy.
And guys one thing – pls stop theorycrafting why it fails. U can see in all builds weakness. It´s up to the whole setup and as more the single players can bring into the big cake . so better it is. – except your support cake is already done =D.
One thing left – the condi spread trait and the temporary c. are perfect to spread cover conditions – I don´t have them only for offensive thinkin. It simply covers other conditions for condi gvg groups or just force the ther group to use cleanse.
Have fun mates – but I would be happy to talk about the gvg mesmer specs your team uses (@ red guard or others) – I don´t wanne play it or spread It in videos, just to complete my own knowledge about mesmer – the gvg sector is the last thing I need to know better (no common stuff, the real stories-high end gvg fights).
What specs are used, is a kind of phantasm/retaliation spread spec useful to cover mates from area dmg and deal zwice as much retaliation dmg as normal to the intruders?, and why the hell gvg fihts are so static wiithout protal movement to avoid the big bang at the beginnin. such things. It would be easy for a single mesmer to walk behind the enemy team with stealth and portal to avoid the first clash and attack from behind. The portal couldn´t be seen by the enemies because while 20-24 players standing on it and cast buff animations like hell.
Bring in the gvg setups u use!!!!!
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