Guild Wars 2

I heard reports, didn’t know if it was true.

Why would it matter if a person has switched professions? Also, it’s not uncommon that people will play with alts for some variety, and/or to get all that much better at countering said profession.

As far as I saw in one short streams I was looking at, he seemed very into Chronomancer and were looking at his video footage from playing with it in BW3. Afterwards I believe he played some Thief in sPvP. Perhaps he simply plays something else while he waits for Heart of Thorns? And again, why in the world would it matter if he wanted to swap to a different profession? Why start a topic on the subject?

Daniel Handler.4816:

I heard reports, didn’t know if it was true.

Regularly. Every time he gets rekt and spits his dummy. Anytime a toy gets taken away and he slams down his keyboard, messing up his hair. Usually the change is accompanied by a 45 minute video of dribble about why X is so much better than Y, and the new meta.

Shortly thereafter he’ll be back on Mesmer again. So I wouldn’t worry.

..though I wouldn’t worry regardless -_-u

I don’t even give a crap about League of Legends pro scene drama, why would I care about GW2 pro scene drama?

Honestly, while I respect Helseth as a mesmer and a player, his role-play as an arrogant kittenhole does not make me want to have him as a mesmer ambassador anyway.

Go Frostball, go!

Ross Biddle.2367:

Daniel Handler.4816:

I heard reports, didn’t know if it was true.

Regularly. Every time he gets rekt and spits his dummy. Anytime a toy gets taken away and he slams down his keyboard, messing up his hair. Usually the change is accompanied by a 45 minute video of dribble about why X is so much better than Y, and the new meta.

Shortly thereafter he’ll be back on Mesmer again. So I wouldn’t worry.

..though I wouldn’t worry regardless -_-u

Oh no! Ross Is Playing KS war, I should switch soon!

StickerHappy.8052:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Daniel Handler.4816:

I heard reports, didn’t know if it was true.

Regularly. Every time he gets rekt and spits his dummy. Anytime a toy gets taken away and he slams down his keyboard, messing up his hair. Usually the change is accompanied by a 45 minute video of dribble about why X is so much better than Y, and the new meta.

Shortly thereafter he’ll be back on Mesmer again. So I wouldn’t worry.

..though I wouldn’t worry regardless -_-u

Oh no! Ross Is Playing KS mesmer, I should switch soon!

tobascodagama.2961:

I don’t even give a crap about League of Legends pro scene drama, why would I care about GW2 pro scene drama?

Because there are more than 9 legends in LoL. And he remains one of our only case studies of high level tournament play for the class. Using people like him and supcutie allows us to beta test scenarios in a way golem and rabbit ranks testing doesn’t manage

Which is kind of my point. The GW2 pro scene is so laughably small that no conclusions can be drawn from it.

tobascodagama.2961:

Which is kind of my point. The GW2 pro scene is so laughably small that no conclusions can be drawn from it.

It depends on how its analyzed. More data leads to better results. The lack of data in itself is worthy of analysis.

Daniel Handler.4816:

and supcutie

haha, good one!

Yeah, supcutie doesn’t really play these days that often, even though most of his comp career he played thief for serious leveled matches.

I mean you could just ask Mime and Zeromis what they think about the mesmer meta, since they’re probably the most visible mesmers in the NA tourney scene right now, but like tobascosauce has implied, its just two people that do tournaments regularly, what can we really infer from them?

And what does their guidance and wisdom really mean to us? We aren’t those top level players that actually compete, just because they say that X, Y, and Z are amazing, doesn’t mean its necessarily amazing for everyone, its just stuff that works for them. If we don’t have similar levels of mechanical skill (or even rotational skill for that matter), then what does their advice mean to us? Yes, we can try to better our gameplay by watching them, but at the end of the day its up to us to develop those skills and find the combinations on builds and whatnot that works for us.

To go full circle with this appeal to authority argument, during the few Helseth streams I watched he said that condi mesmer was really viable. I even vividly remember one time back in July or August that Helseth ran carrion condi shatter and settlers condi bunker in an ESL match against a team that TCG can beat through rotations/mechanics regardless of builds, and they steamriolled them while basically running joke builds (well the settlers one was a joke build all the way).

Being a necromancer main, this is even more obvious to me. All the necromancers really have to look up to is Noscoc. His celestial build is strong, but its not the only build and I daresay it will be completely obsolete (along with everything else) in two weeks. Yes I’ve been able to learn a lot about necromancer from his streams, but I don’t let him define the builds that I run or the role that I play. He manages to win wolrd tournaments because his skills on his class are great and he and his team are able to rotate around the necromancer’s mobility disadvantage that keeps most players from ever considering bringing it to a serious tournament.

Basically, what I’m saying is that it can be nice to look at the top players for guidance and ideas, but at the end of the day, they can’t make us better players just from their builds alone. We need to develop the mechanical and rotational skill for ourselves, and the actual build plays secondary to that, as it only defines role, while we choose how to play that role.

@nearlight
I don’t know how relevant to the discussion all of this is, probably because I’m not quite sure what OP’s point is really. But I agree strongly with you, and in general, I think people tend to forget: the meta is not the best collection of build, it is the optimal collection of build, in the context of high tier play, for the specific role they are meant to achieve (ooo I start to sound like Nemesis O.O )

Because of this, the meta build may not be the best for the large majority of the population. One example that comes to my mind: the “vamp rune meta” is really useful only if you have team support incoming or if you’re fast enough to be able to retreat immediately after. In lower MMR, the vamp rune will mostly delay your death by a few second, without you achieving anything useful from it. It will then mostly be annoying when it procs and interrupts what you were doing. Any other rune will probably be more useful.

Who’s Helseth? Is it the name of the unicorn on the inspiration line picture because if so why is it going to be on a dull boring dark thief trait line?

Regardless the amount of players playing at that level it tells us what is viable. The skill is what is present. They have practiced honed and devoted many hours we simply don’t have or don’t want to allot to become at that level. If looking at physical skill (10 fingers) then all that is needed is practice. The people at that level have tried other builds I’m sure just due to the sheer amount of time to perfect the skill. So it is meta for a reason. Whether we can do the same is irrelevant. It shows what is viable.

denis.9487:

Regardless the amount of players playing at that level it tells us what is viable. The skill is what is present. They have practiced honed and devoted many hours we simply don’t have or don’t want to allot to become at that level. If looking at physical skill (10 fingers) then all that is needed is practice. The people at that level have tried other builds I’m sure just due to the sheer amount of time to perfect the skill. So it is meta for a reason. Whether we can do the same is irrelevant. It shows what is viable.

Sorta. It also shows us what they enjoy playing the most. Helseth probably could have done better on thief for a long time, but he stubbornly stuck with mesmer (not judging him for that, just pointing it out).

denis.9487:

Regardless the amount of players playing at that level it tells us what is viable. The skill is what is present. They have practiced honed and devoted many hours we simply don’t have or don’t want to allot to become at that level. If looking at physical skill (10 fingers) then all that is needed is practice. The people at that level have tried other builds I’m sure just due to the sheer amount of time to perfect the skill. So it is meta for a reason. Whether we can do the same is irrelevant. It shows what is viable.

This is partially what I intended by this discussion. Not some appeal to authority.

Treat them like field researchers, the data they provide is helpful to the aggregate knowledge of any discipline. There is a usefulness to the class as a whole that we bemoan simply because we don’t like the individual.

I want to see how an expert level mesmer fares against a Dragonhunter. And not from a theoretical standpoint.

Fay.2357:

denis.9487:

Regardless the amount of players playing at that level it tells us what is viable. The skill is what is present. They have practiced honed and devoted many hours we simply don’t have or don’t want to allot to become at that level. If looking at physical skill (10 fingers) then all that is needed is practice. The people at that level have tried other builds I’m sure just due to the sheer amount of time to perfect the skill. So it is meta for a reason. Whether we can do the same is irrelevant. It shows what is viable.

Sorta. It also shows us what they enjoy playing the most. Helseth probably could have done better on thief for a long time, but he stubbornly stuck with mesmer (not judging him for that, just pointing it out).

I’m saving this post!! Fay agreed sorta

denis.9487:

Fay.2357:

denis.9487:

Regardless the amount of players playing at that level it tells us what is viable. The skill is what is present. They have practiced honed and devoted many hours we simply don’t have or don’t want to allot to become at that level. If looking at physical skill (10 fingers) then all that is needed is practice. The people at that level have tried other builds I’m sure just due to the sheer amount of time to perfect the skill. So it is meta for a reason. Whether we can do the same is irrelevant. It shows what is viable.

Sorta. It also shows us what they enjoy playing the most. Helseth probably could have done better on thief for a long time, but he stubbornly stuck with mesmer (not judging him for that, just pointing it out).

I’m saving this post!! Fay agreed sorta

Screenshotted and framed.

Here’s hoping so.

Fay.2357:

StickerHappy.8052:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Daniel Handler.4816:

I heard reports, didn’t know if it was true.

Regularly. Every time he gets rekt and spits his dummy. Anytime a toy gets taken away and he slams down his keyboard, messing up his hair. Usually the change is accompanied by a 45 minute video of dribble about why X is so much better than Y, and the new meta.

Shortly thereafter he’ll be back on Mesmer again. So I wouldn’t worry.

..though I wouldn’t worry regardless -_-u

Oh no! Ross Is Playing KS mesmer, I should switch soon!

The meta just calls to me :D