Guild Wars 2

My mesmee will soon be lvl 80. I’m mainly looking to do pve content with him. Fractals and such. I already have my melee power ranger so I want my Mage class to be more of the caster type. Was looking to use staff and scepter/x. I’m not sure what weapon goes well with the scepter. I’ve been using pistol. So if anyone would like to post a build with armor and traits that we be great! Thanks and happy Halloween.

Mesmer is a battle mage so it uses melee weapons in PvE (Sword/Sword, Sword/Focus and Sword/Pistol), sorry :/ Sword brings selfdefense, damage and access to your strongest phantasms from offhand weapons. Staff and scepter are condition focused weapons – as such they don’t do anything because of how badly conditions are designed (your teammates will override your conditions in seconds and you won’t do any damage).

http://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Mesmer_-_S/S_/F_/P This is the Dungeon, Fractal and general pve build for mesmer. Also, a stickied thread about Mesmer in dungeons is on this subforum to guide you.

If you still want to play a caster/mage class, switch to elementalist, they are the one using Staff and Scepter (even necros use melee weapons in comparison).

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Oh, meta doesn’t always mean speedrun, it’s just what mesmer is good at and why you pick one in PvE in your team. Point is still, Staff and scepter are in a bad posture because of conditions being so weak. You would never contribute to anything using them.

I’m not worried about meta builds. Im not looking for speed runs. Just seeing if there is any staff/scepter builds out there as the mes skill three can be a bit confusing. Thanks anyone though.

Yeah, meta builds are meta for a reason. You don’t need to be looking for speed runs to need to play at least semi-meta builds.

Conditions are absolute garbage in dungeons unless you’re soloing. This applies for every class in the game, not just mesmer. The problem is that conditions get capped and pushed out on mobs, causing your personal dps to drop to almost nothing when using conditions. Additionally, the signature mesmer conditions of torment and confusion are extremely weak on mobs, as they rarely move and attack slowly.

You can take a look at the mesmer dungeon guide that’s stickied in this forum for a more in-depth explanation of why mesmers run the pve builds that they do. Suffice to say though, if you run scepter/x and staff in a dungeon, you’re contributing literally nothing to the party and being dragged along as complete and total dead weight.

I understand the meta and I have my zerk sword/x ranger to do meta build runs. I’m looking to make a staff and scepter Mesmer. I don’t want a bunch of classes all using the same builds. I also disagree with conditions being useless unless there are multiple condition builds in one group. But that conversation has been beaten to death. Thanks for the response though!

Stubie.5834:

I understand the meta and I have my zerk sword/x ranger to do meta build runs. I’m looking to make a staff and scepter Mesmer. I don’t want a bunch of classes all using the same builds. I also disagree with conditions being useless unless there are multiple condition builds in one group. But that conversation has been beaten to death. Thanks for the response though!

I mean, you can obviously play whatever you want, but I and many other people will kick a mesmer that I see using condition weapons on sight, no questions asked. I prefer everyone to pull their own weight in parties, and don’t like towing along useless people.

I understand what you’re saying. That isn’t the topic of this thread. We can agree to disagree and get back on topic if you don’t mind. It looks as no one has a build to share though and my searches have come up dry with any build not from 2013 lol. That might be telling in itself.

Stubie.5834:

I understand what you’re saying. That isn’t the topic of this thread. We can agree to disagree and get back on topic if you don’t mind. It looks as no one has a build to share though and my searches have come up dry with any build not from 2013 lol. That might be telling in itself.

People aren’t going to give you advice on how to play badly. It honestly doesn’t matter, you can put whatever you want with scepter and staff and you’ll be close to equally useless with all of them.

Thanks for the advice.

There is certainly room in the game for the play how you want crowd, as long as you understand common courtesy. There are numerous condition builds built more for WvW in the build sticky and any of those can be used in PvE. Often you’ll see dungeon runs described as clearly not a speed run and your build will be happily accepted in those. Just don’t expect to get done with the dungeon in a reasonable amount of time.

In open PvE, use any of those builds to your content. They’ll all work fine. You’ll rarely if ever die and do sub-optimal damage, but if it’s a condition build you’re really after, then go for it.

Stubie.5834:

I understand what you’re saying. That isn’t the topic of this thread. We can agree to disagree and get back on topic if you don’t mind. It looks as no one has a build to share though and my searches have come up dry with any build not from 2013 lol. That might be telling in itself.

It’s not a personal opinion on whether condi is good or not, it’s a universal fact that it sucks for dungeons.
Edit: Grammar stuff

Lol never once did I say condition builds were optimal for dungeon runs. I understand and stated I understood what the above poster was saying. Not sure why you guys keep harping on that. But thanks for the response.

Stubie.5834:

Lol never once did I say condition builds were optimal for dungeon runs. I understand and stated I understood what the above poster was saying. Not sure why you guys keep harping on that. But thanks for the response.

We’re mainly trying to protect the unknown people who may find themselves in a party with a condition mesmer and be subjected to the experience of failing over and over and over, but not know enough about the game to understand that you are the problem and kick you.

Well considering I don’t run a condition mesmer in dungeons I’m not sure “I’m” the problem. But I’m sure the community thanks you for your effort to save them.

Stubie.5834:

Well considering I don’t run a condition mesmer in dungeons I’m not sure “I’m” the problem. But I’m sure the community thanks you for your effort to save them.

Oh really?

Stubie.5834:

I’m mainly looking to do pve content with him. Fractals and such. I already have my melee power ranger so I want my Mage class to be more of the caster type. Was looking to use staff and scepter/x.

Seems to me as though that’s precisely what you intend to do.

Well I did ask about a build that is for sure. I also haven’t had my mesmer outside of rata sum. I lvld him on ToKs. So I was looking to use my staff and maybe scepter. I have decided on a s/s gs build though. I haven’t ran him through any dungeons. But just for the sake of saying 90% on pve content including dungeons is so easy any build does fine as long as you’re not doing speed runs. I do appreciate your forum warrior approach to my threat.

Stubie.5834:

I haven’t ran him through any dungeons.

Then you should, and you’ll know why staff and scepter is bad. AA hits for like 200-500 with an ultra slow chain, condi ticks for barely 1k

Didn’t we already cover that I decided to go with a S/S GS build? Lol you two are a cute couple. I would like to thank Miku for the nice post and good read though.

Yay, I get all the likes ~

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/Guide-How-To-Mesmer-in-Dungeons Here’s that awesome guide for dungeons btw

Stubie.5834:

Didn’t we already cover that I decided to go with a S/S GS build? Lol you two are a cute couple. I would like to thank Miku for the nice post and good read though.

So, this is how this thread goes:
1. You’re trying to find a staff/sc condi build for dungeons
2. Miku telling you to follow the general meta builds and explain why they’re effective
3. You’re still insisting on using staff/sc build
4. Pyro further explains why the meta build is better
5. Trying to prove that condi builds arent useless in dungeons
6. Pyro’s IRL example, therefore explaining party role(do dps)
7. You getting upset that no one gives you a non-effective build you want
8. – 11……….
12. Suddenly saying that condi builds are bad.
13. Another IRL situation
14. Saying that you don’t even run condi mesmer in dungeons.
15 & 16. Both showing confusing on what you wanted to do. First you want staff scepter, then saying condi is bad, then saying you dont run condi
17. To respond, you can do well with any build openworld, but you’re not gonna do damage in dungeons with whatever build. Why bother running dungeons if you’re using a selfish condi build?
18. A rough ingame proof
19. Suddenly saying that you’re running the meta build already and then laughing at the people trying to persuade you not to run condi

Whaaaa???

Well guys, Stubie obviously don’t want to play the mesmer meta build, and in particular not play mainhand sword. So Stubie, as someone said before, mesmer is intended to be a battle mage, but you can still adapt the play style to suit you better. If I understood you right, what is important for you is not playing conditions but rather to be able to cast spells from a distance. So I would suggest, instead of playing staff and scepter/x, to play a berserker GS and staff build. The staff can help you with the buffs from chaos armor, and the might stacking from the AA is really decent. The GS is a really fun power ranged weapon (don’t use the 5 skill though, that’s annoying as hell !).

Yes, I know it is better to be in melee range in dungeons. Yes, I know the dps of the sword is better. But you know Stubie, the most important while playing a game is to have fun. I find conditions in dungeons to be a rather boring play style, and finding yourself being useless will probably annoy you. However, if you want to play at range, play at range ! Be sure to run with casuals though: not everybody will kick someone out of the party for not running THE optimal build. With my very casual guildmates, I’ve even run dungeons playing a flamethrower engi or a p/p thief, running with a PU condi mesmer, a longbow ranger and a cele ele, and we still made it ! Sure it will take more time, but why rushing it, if you’re having a good time ?

Finally, if you absolutely want to play a condi staff scepter/x mesmer, do it in open world, or in easy dungeons paths with friends. Or better yet, use a PU build, and farm victories in WvW ! Enjoy playing your lvl 80 mesmer !

rainpool.7189:

Stubie.5834:

Didn’t we already cover that I decided to go with a S/S GS build? Lol you two are a cute couple. I would like to thank Miku for the nice post and good read though.

So, this is how this thread goes:
1. You’re trying to find a staff/sc condi build for dungeons
2. Miku telling you to follow the general meta builds and explain why they’re effective
3. You’re still insisting on using staff/sc build
4. Pyro further explains why the meta build is better
5. Trying to prove that condi builds arent useless in dungeons
6. Pyro’s IRL example, therefore explaining party role(do dps)
7. You getting upset that no one gives you a non-effective build you want
8. – 11……….
12. Suddenly saying that condi builds are bad.
13. Another IRL situation
14. Saying that you don’t even run condi mesmer in dungeons.
15 & 16. Both showing confusing on what you wanted to do. First you want staff scepter, then saying condi is bad, then saying you dont run condi
17. To respond, you can do well with any build openworld, but you’re not gonna do damage in dungeons with whatever build. Why bother running dungeons if you’re using a selfish condi build?
18. A rough ingame proof
19. Suddenly saying that you’re running the meta build already and then laughing at the people trying to persuade you not to run condi

Whaaaa???

More accurate description:

1. Stubie asks for any staff/sc + x builds for dungeons/fractals
2. People jump to the conclusion he wants a condi build
3. Stubie says he doesn’t think condi builds are bad and just wants help either way
4. People continue to berate Stubie for something he hasn’t done yet
5. Likely fed up with the lack of progress, Stubie settles for using a meta build
6. Everyone goes home happy knowing all non-conformity has been squashed

Clownmug you have restored my faith in humanity.

So moral of the story, the Pve community is even more stuck up about the meta than the pvpers ! Who would have thought.

I don’t think there is any moral here. Just people that can’t read and jump to conclusions. It was a fun thread to be a part of though.

Stubie.5834:

I don’t think there is any moral here. Just people that can’t read and jump to conclusions. It was a fun thread to be a part of though.

Yeah, those guys really don’t know how to read and stay on topic.

I understood you from the get go, having these people jump at you for not playing the game the way they want you to are just really immature. Wish I could answer your questions, but I clicked on this thread wanting to know more information about mesmers too, going to reach 80 on mines in a couple days or so.

It’s to be expected on the forums. I thought it was kitten funny tbh. I did end up using a more meta build since the other options are only condition based even though I guess the staff could be considered a defensive weapon it still does conditions. Seems the mesmer doesn’t have a lot of build diversity for pve. I did 80 and geared up. Ran a lvl 32 fractal on him last night. Good dmg good group support, I’m happy.

Mostly scepter is a condition weapon.. no one bothered to mention that and just skipped to telling how bad conditions are for pve..

Anyway I know some people like how scepter look and play but a net decided for you that at least half of its damage output needed to be condition damage, it’s not a good weapon to haul around unless you build for conditions.

The other problem is that Mesmers don’t do middle ground or hybrid very well either, it’s a class that you either go all in on one thing or you don’t put anything into it at all. It takes specific traits and gear to make us able to hit hard with direct damage or different gear for reflected damage or different gear for our short duration condition spamming to become effective… It’s very sad

So basically you can run a scepter if you want to but no one will recommend that you do so if it is not on a condition build, it’s just not a good power or utility weapon.

Ytlayol.5864:

Stubie.5834:

I don’t think there is any moral here. Just people that can’t read and jump to conclusions. It was a fun thread to be a part of though.

Yeah, those guys really don’t know how to read and stay on topic.

I understood you from the get go, having these people jump at you for not playing the game the way they want you to are just really immature. Wish I could answer your questions, but I clicked on this thread wanting to know more information about mesmers too, going to reach 80 on mines in a couple days or so.

Realistically he’s just annoyed that the way he wanted to play is unequivocally bad. There’s plenty of information to be found here, and that which was presented in this thread is accurate. If you need information and are willing to accept the accurate answers even if they’re not necessarily what you want to hear, posting a thread with questions is always a good idea.

Realistically I was never upset. It takes a bit more then forum warriors to upset me. I was curious of a more Mage type build using a staff yes, but also not really taking into consideration that it and scepter were full on condition build only weapons. This is after all why I was asking. My personal opinion is that I don’t care what people run. In my dungeon or fractal groups I don’t care what you bring or what build you use. As I’ve stated most content is so easy at this point i don’t think it matters. I play to relax be social and have fun. Some people do not think it’s fun to not run meta while I could care less if a dungeon takes an extra 20 minutes. But that’s just my opinion.

It would take extra 1 hour in the case of a staff mesmer however.

Don’t listen to those elitists! Staff/scepter is my favorite set on mesmer to rp in dungeons, and I join burger only lfgs all the time. I came with a build that works great for me, it’s an hybrid between conditions and direct damage. It’s probably more damage than the meta builds anyway, because you don’t spend all your time downed like those elitists. The build has CCs, direct damage, condi damage, heal for the whole party.. It’s far more useful than those guys auto attacking with sword all over again. You have to be skilled to use that build, that’s one no one on this forum will defend it but I did maths and it’s the best build with a lot of survivability and damage.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fhAQNAW7an0HSlaWsGeoBzaKx1QM3rz1EVbJXgyNB-TRyBABUcEAI+gAUs6P/pbAgLAwiKBDw+jFeAAjp8TIAmA-e

Play how you want!

oxtred.7658:

Don’t listen to those elitists! Staff/scepter is my favorite set on mesmer to rp in dungeons, and I join burger only lfgs all the time. I came with a build that works great for me, it’s an hybrid between conditions and direct damage. It’s probably more damage than the meta builds anyway, because you don’t spend all your time downed like those elitists. The build has CCs, direct damage, condi damage, heal for the whole party.. It’s far more useful than those guys auto attacking with sword all over again. You have to be skilled to use that build, that’s one no one on this forum will defend it but I did maths and it’s the best build with a lot of survivability and damage.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fhAQNAW7an0HSlaWsGeoBzaKx1QM3rz1EVbJXgyNB-TRyBABUcEAI+gAUs6P/pbAgLAwiKBDw+jFeAAjp8TIAmA-e

Play how you want!

I honestly wasn’t sure until I saw the traits. GG, well played.

That is a good looking build!