Help with Chronomancer in raids....
It would help if you could post a video so we can see where you are messing up the rotation….
Here you go. Rotations made easy.
Here you go. Rotations made easy.
Most people use the domination variant over the illusions variant. There are some situations where illusions is better, but in the vast majority of fights domination is superior due to the utility that distortion provides. Both can provide permanent quickness and alacrity of course.
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Most people use the domination variant over the illusions variant. There are some situations where illusions is better, but in the vast majority of fights domination is superior due to the utility that distortion provides. Both can provide permanent quickness and alacrity of course.[/quote]
I’d like you to show me a vid of you providing “Permanent quickness and alacrity” while also saving skills to distort on-demand, aside from F3. And this “Most people” stuff is most likely exactly why OP is having trouble pushing rotations, cause he’s running something that “most people” are trying to run, and sadly I see alot of chrono’s out there not able to even keep up even 50% quickness uptime and barely any alacrity uptime. Trying to run pointlessly complex rotations and setups like “most people” is not a good idea..
And honestly if a team needs 3x distortion’s on-demand.. then meh.
I’d like you to show me a vid of you providing “Permanent quickness and alacrity” while also saving skills to distort on-demand, aside from F3.
So even without trying to save for distort on demand, doing a normal rotation provides a significant (~10%) uptime on invulnerability for the party, and that’s not something to dismess so easily. Additionally, the playstyle options that become available when using distortion to tactically avoid certain mechanics FAR outweigh the tradeoff of slightly lower quickness uptime (alacrity is not affected at all by signet usage obviously). These include stationary VG (no green circle group), full melee range on gorse breakbars (no need to back out to avoid ground aoes), easy group mitigation on spore shake (no need to blow cooldowns or slow dps to avoid it).
And this “Most people” stuff is most likely exactly why OP is having trouble pushing rotations, cause he’s running something that “most people” are trying to run, and sadly I see alot of chrono’s out there not able to even keep up even 50% quickness uptime and barely any alacrity uptime. Trying to run pointlessly complex rotations and setups like “most people” is not a good idea..
And honestly if a team needs 3x distortion’s on-demand.. then meh.
This is a strawman argument. The rotation used for the domination traiset that enables the option of providing distortion is no more complex than the illusions version. If someone can do one, they can easily do the other. Additionally, alacrity uptime is a separate issue altogether. The vast majority of alacrity upkeep comes from the shield phantasms, so rotation is almost completely meaningless if the chrono isn’t maintaining alacrity.
@Fay.2357
You’re speaking as if the average player possesses the skill to properly time distortions on VG greens, Gorseval floor panels (which would require a stop in rotation’s to pull off constant properly-timed distortions), and sloth shake (Which F4 easily covers), etc. You’re pointlessly glamorizing a traitline which is unneeded just for a 2 extra distortion spams of which the average joe, most of the GW2 population, has a hard time making use of/timing.
To your “10% invuln uptime” argument, that’s what the Healer is for. Hard distortions obviously used for heavy damage skills. But then you choose whether to push rotations, or give mediocre uptimes due to wanting to spam distortions at certain times.
Regarding your Alacrity comment, yes the vast majority of alacrity comes from Shield phantasms. But it requires Much more effort keeping it up on Domination traitline VS the Illusion line due to Phantasmal haste.
I do welcome you to post a vid of YOU maintaining your quickness and alacrity uptimes on a realistic scenario with your domination setup while pushing out distortion to the heavy skills that you’ve stated. Otherwise, I would prefer not to waste time, nor you wasting other people’s time with no personal proof and “This is better” arguments cause franky, either will work.
Anyway, I gave OP a quick and easy solution to his/her problems, which I know will also help most of the player base rather than spewing nonsense like
“Most people use the domination variant over the illusions variant. There are some situations where illusions is better, but in the vast majority of fights domination is superior due to the utility that distortion provides. Both can provide permanent quickness and alacrity of course.”
Which does not help him/her at all regarding the original topic “Help with Chronomancer in raids….” and “I need any advice, tips or simplfied rotations that i can use to not actually be a hindrance in a raid party…”
Honestly, I am really bad as far as Chronomancer goes, and even I can time my distortions to save people from green effects. Takes 5-10 impacts to know the timing, it’s anything but complicated, even in the heat of the fight.
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I agree with Fay. You don’t essentially have to delay and time distortion to make it great. The rather random procs are already useful. For VG it’s more useful to just use SoMidnight in order to sustain perma Quickness and go for 3 iAvengers for the Alacrity, if you want to skip green fields.
If you know the encounter you may want to swap to illusions for some raid bosses. For example KC basicly forces you to do so in order to use CD at CC and at burst phase for double frost bow. Or matthias to keep up Alacrity without Recall or simply to empower your scepter.
But overall it’s Domination > Illusions, while Illusions is situational superior.
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Here you go. Rotations made easy.
Even with this easy mode rotation you might want to clarify in the video (rather than in the comments) that double shield is unnecessary as you can do Sword/[blank] + [blank]/Shield to proc swap effects. Doubly so because your video has the concentration sigil on BOTH the two shields is a a wasted expense (pointing out the obvious for players who may not be familiar with weapon slotting).
Also, I’m gonna have to side with Fay. Dom variant should be the preferred way to go, and the timing on the distorts is not as complicated as you are trying to make it out to be. With how low of a cooldown SoI is on (due to Dom trait and Alacrity) you’ll be able to have a lot of up time on group invulnerability (the “random” procs as Xyonon pointed out). The passive SoI is trickier to land, but the slotted SoI is not at all hard to use since the Dom variant has some wiggle room to delay your rotation to line up the Distortion without dropping Quickness; alacrity uptime is met as soon as you have your Avengers out. If you really need an on-demand Distort that’s what the Panic-F4 is for.
Personally, I use the Dom variant because of how it feels more fluid,; the Illu variant feels…clunkier?
Back to OP though….
As Ori pointed out, a video would really help us see where you’re falling short.
Is there a video of the Dom rotation? I know it’s spelled out but sometimes watching it while it’s explained makes it make more sense than trying to remember it by reading it. Been trying to figure it out but it’s frustrating having to try to remember all the steps but not having a reference beyond a frantic video with music and words on a webite.
Is there a video of the Dom rotation? I know it’s spelled out but sometimes watching it while it’s explained makes it make more sense than trying to remember it by reading it. Been trying to figure it out but it’s frustrating having to try to remember all the steps but not having a reference beyond a frantic video with music and words on a webite.
It’s…pretty simple. Start up with iLeap, use shield 5 and then cast shield 4. An instant before shield 4 ends, enter CS. Now you do well of action, SoI, and have time for 1 more (usually heal well), exit CS, use shield 4 again, well of action, soi, and then heal well/well of recall if you have it.
That’s the startup. When CS comes off of cd again, you should have 3 illusions up and you won’t need to do that awkward timing, and can double up on shield 5 as well. Until then, just use well of action, SoI, and proc the SoI trait off cooldown, it’s that simple.
And then do it all over again once CS is off cooldown? It’s after the first round of cooldowns is where I start to lose myself and the rotation…
And then do it all over again once CS is off cooldown? It’s after the first round of cooldowns is where I start to lose myself and the rotation…
Each CS rotation is identical of course, you don’t change anything from one to the next outside of not needing to do that awkward startup as I mentioned.
Is there a video of the Dom rotation? I know it’s spelled out but sometimes watching it while it’s explained makes it make more sense than trying to remember it by reading it. Been trying to figure it out but it’s frustrating having to try to remember all the steps but not having a reference beyond a frantic video with music and words on a webite.
It’s…pretty simple. Start up with iLeap, use shield 5 and then cast shield 4. An instant before shield 4 ends, enter CS. Now you do well of action, SoI, and have time for 1 more (usually heal well), exit CS, use shield 4 again, well of action, soi, and then heal well/well of recall if you have it.
That’s the startup. When CS comes off of cd again, you should have 3 illusions up and you won’t need to do that awkward timing, and can double up on shield 5 as well. Until then, just use well of action, SoI, and proc the SoI trait off cooldown, it’s that simple.
I think you mixed up shield 4 and 5
Is there a video of the Dom rotation? I know it’s spelled out but sometimes watching it while it’s explained makes it make more sense than trying to remember it by reading it. Been trying to figure it out but it’s frustrating having to try to remember all the steps but not having a reference beyond a frantic video with music and words on a webite.
It’s…pretty simple. Start up with iLeap, use shield 5 and then cast shield 4. An instant before shield 4 ends, enter CS. Now you do well of action, SoI, and have time for 1 more (usually heal well), exit CS, use shield 4 again, well of action, soi, and then heal well/well of recall if you have it.
That’s the startup. When CS comes off of cd again, you should have 3 illusions up and you won’t need to do that awkward timing, and can double up on shield 5 as well. Until then, just use well of action, SoI, and proc the SoI trait off cooldown, it’s that simple.
I think you mixed up shield 4 and 5
I didn’t. It’s a wonky startup that allows you to double up on both the active SoI and the SoI proc at the cost of not doubling shield 5.
Yup, I do the same. You can use this to immediately set up 2-3 iAvengers, stacking savely stacking Alacrity for later dry phases. Just make sure that if you enter CS with something blocked, you use your 2nd block aswell (don’t have to channel, start it and cancel it with any other skill), so it’s off cd when you leave CS.
Altough I situationaly don’t use CS anymore for quickness. You can also just not use CS and do WoA, swap, shield 5, SoI, shield 4 to keep CS for more moas like against Matthias or for double Frostbow at KC etc. Plenty of good cases not to use it. It’s only a small personal dps to do a full rotation.
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