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Posted by: Jordo.5913

Jordo.5913

Is it the shatter build?

I’ve seen some videos claiming, sword/focus + sword/sword is best…

can anyone shed some light for me?

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Posted by: maha.7902

maha.7902

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Posted by: Jordo.5913

Jordo.5913

i read that…that’s where i got the s/s + s/f idea from…but they don’t mention shatter which i have heard is as good in pve….and was asking for thoughts on it

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Posted by: DeathReign.7821

DeathReign.7821

No, shatter is not as good in PvE.

The reason is because shatter is a burst build. Burst builds by nature are underwhelming when compared to sustained damage (phantasms) the longer the battle goes on (dungeon bosses).

You will deal okay damage, but any phantasm build would out-dps you in the end. Not to mention phantasm builds typically run with a focus, so reflects are always at the ready with the iWarden (when he doesn’t bug out).

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Posted by: Jordo.5913

Jordo.5913

No, shatter is not as good in PvE.

The reason is because shatter is a burst build. Burst builds by nature are underwhelming when compared to sustained damage (phantasms) the longer the battle goes on (dungeon bosses).

You will deal okay damage, but any phantasm build would out-dps you in the end. Not to mention phantasm builds typically run with a focus, so reflects are always at the ready with the iWarden (when he doesn’t bug out).

thank you

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Posted by: Meluna.1764

Meluna.1764

I have two Mesmers. Is there a list of current Mesmer builds? Especially Shatter. But if you have a nice example of a phantasm build or a Mantra Nuker? It’s the first time I’m playing since the update, so I lost all my builds and since the Mesmer has been reshuffled quite a bit, rebuilding proved a bit awquard.

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Posted by: DeathReign.7821

DeathReign.7821

I have two Mesmers. Is there a list of current Mesmer builds? Especially Shatter. But if you have a nice example of a phantasm build or a Mantra Nuker? It’s the first time I’m playing since the update, so I lost all my builds and since the Mesmer has been reshuffled quite a bit, rebuilding proved a bit awquard.

Check the sticky. :p

But click here for the list that Fay has so diligently organized.

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Posted by: Meluna.1764

Meluna.1764

I checked the Osicat sticky since I used the shattercat before, but it hasn’t been updated. The shatter has changed quite a bit in the update so I thought someone might have looked at it. The Fay site I have bookmarked =) They also aren’t updated, but I’ll check if they still work =)

So yes, I checked the stickies, hence my question =p

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Posted by: maxinion.8396

maxinion.8396

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/Guide-How-To-Mesmer-in-Dungeons lists the current meta for PvE: mantra + phantasm (with some non-Mantra options).

Shatter should never be used in PvE— the sustain is tiny and the burst isn’t even that large.

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Posted by: DeathReign.7821

DeathReign.7821

I checked the Osicat sticky since I used the shattercat before, but it hasn’t been updated. The shatter has changed quite a bit in the update so I thought someone might have looked at it. The Fay site I have bookmarked =) They also aren’t updated, but I’ll check if they still work =)

So yes, I checked the stickies, hence my question =p

Most (if not all) builds are on Fay’s thread – some are outdated, but the thread itself has been updated recently (additions of new builds etc).

That’s about the most comprehensive and updated list I can give you, unless you’re looking for the generic traitspread for each build.

In which case:

Shatter – 4/4/0/0/6
PU (Condi) – 4/4/6/0/0
Lockdown – 4/4/6/0/0 or 6/4/4/0/0
Mantra/phantasm (PvE) – 2/6/0/4/2 or 6/6/0/0/2 (a couple of variants)

Covers most popular builds out there.

These are just off the top of my head so there might be some mistakes/things left out.

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Posted by: maha.7902

maha.7902

Honestly, as a PvE mesmer you shouldn’t even bother with 10/30/0/20/10, just switch between 30/20/0/20/0 and 30/20/0/0/20. I’ll only use 30/30/0/0/10 if it’s actually worth having that third mantra charge (triple daze on Lupicus for vuln on feedback, dazing abomination to shave defiant, maybe triple cleanse for first SE p3 boss)

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Posted by: Meluna.1764

Meluna.1764

Thank you @DeathReign and @maxinion! Very helpful entries =)

I know I shouldn’t play shatter in PvE but I’ve stuck with it forever and kinda like the way it plays, even when it’s underpowered. I have a second Mesmer I can build to pwn, so the other can get stuck with shatter =)

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Posted by: frifox.5283

frifox.5283

Honestly, as a PvE mesmer you shouldn’t even bother with 10/30/0/20/10, just switch between 30/20/0/20/0 and 30/20/0/0/20. I’ll only use 30/30/0/0/10 if it’s actually worth having that third mantra charge (triple daze on Lupicus for vuln on feedback, dazing abomination to shave defiant, maybe triple cleanse for first SE p3 boss)

It’s about time for you to switch to the new trait naming. I have to re-read the builds #’s a few times to actually understand them if you use the 30/30/0/0/10 format. 6/6/0/0/2 makes much more sense.

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Posted by: Amethyst Lure.5624

Amethyst Lure.5624

People gave excellent advice above regarding dungeons, but if you are in open world PvE shatter is hardly that bad. I tend to scratch that itch when farming or whatnot.

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Posted by: DeathReign.7821

DeathReign.7821

Honestly, as a PvE mesmer you shouldn’t even bother with 10/30/0/20/10, just switch between 30/20/0/20/0 and 30/20/0/0/20. I’ll only use 30/30/0/0/10 if it’s actually worth having that third mantra charge (triple daze on Lupicus for vuln on feedback, dazing abomination to shave defiant, maybe triple cleanse for first SE p3 boss)

Ah yes, I mixed up the Dom and Dueling trait lines (forgot about the ninja Empowered Mantra Swap).

6/4/0/4/0 or 6/4/0/0/4 is right.

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Posted by: maha.7902

maha.7902

Honestly, as a PvE mesmer you shouldn’t even bother with 10/30/0/20/10, just switch between 30/20/0/20/0 and 30/20/0/0/20. I’ll only use 30/30/0/0/10 if it’s actually worth having that third mantra charge (triple daze on Lupicus for vuln on feedback, dazing abomination to shave defiant, maybe triple cleanse for first SE p3 boss)

It’s about time for you to switch to the new trait naming. I have to re-read the builds #’s a few times to actually understand them if you use the 30/30/0/0/10 format. 6/6/0/0/2 makes much more sense.

i’m not using the new peasant naming.

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Posted by: Velimere.7685

Velimere.7685

i’m not using the new peasant naming.

Guild Wars 2 is a peasant? We’re talking about how traits work in the game now, not about personal preference. Good luck telling people to put 10 points into a single trait line when the max per line is now 6.

Anyone who says Zerk is the average Joe build is an average Joe.

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Posted by: maxinion.8396

maxinion.8396

i’m not using the new peasant naming.

Guild Wars 2 is a peasant? We’re talking about how traits work in the game now, not about personal preference. Good luck telling people to put 10 points into a single trait line when the max per line is now 6.

Joke —-——————>

your head —-————->

Anyway, @Amethyst: shatter is fine for open world. Anything is fine for open world! If you enjoy shatter more, go for it.

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Posted by: Ryuujin.8236

Ryuujin.8236

People gave excellent advice above regarding dungeons, but if you are in open world PvE shatter is hardly that bad. I tend to scratch that itch when farming or whatnot.

This is true. OP only asked about PVE, not specifically dungeons – in open PvE, shatter builds can be quite excellent, since they provide strong burst and a large AoE, enabling you to explode swarms of trash in the blink of an eye; faster than a phantasm build in fact.

It’s just important to clarify the differences:

Shatter:

  • Large area of effect
  • Strong burst damage
  • Great for killing swarms of trash mobs

Phantasm:

  • The less targets, the stronger the DPS potential
  • Excellent sustain DPS
  • Perfect for boss fights
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Posted by: maxinion.8396

maxinion.8396

I generally agree, Ryu, with the one caveat that shatter won’t be very good against dungeon trash (which are usually elite, etc.).

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Posted by: Ryuujin.8236

Ryuujin.8236

I generally agree, Ryu, with the one caveat that shatter won’t be very good against dungeon trash (which are usually elite, etc.).

True. I mean in the context of open PVE, where you may want to spec in a way that eats trash for the purpose of getting loot or completing events.

In a dungeon obviously you don’t want to spec around trash fights, but boss fights, as the trash takes care of itself.

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Posted by: maha.7902

maha.7902

People gave excellent advice above regarding dungeons, but if you are in open world PvE shatter is hardly that bad. I tend to scratch that itch when farming or whatnot.

This is true. OP only asked about PVE, not specifically dungeons – in open PvE, shatter builds can be quite excellent, since they provide strong burst and a large AoE, enabling you to explode swarms of trash in the blink of an eye; faster than a phantasm build in fact.

It’s just important to clarify the differences:

Shatter:

  • Large area of effect
  • Strong burst damage
  • Great for killing swarms of trash mobs

Phantasm:

  • The less targets, the stronger the DPS potential
  • Excellent sustain DPS
  • Perfect for boss fights

Except you can literally just run a phantasm build, cast two phantasms and then shatter them if it’s such a big deal, like literally any open world mob will explode if you do that. No need to encourage someone taking weak traits for PvE when you can melt mobs using a more versatile build that can be applied to both open world and dungeons/fractals.

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