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Posted by: literalirony.7591

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So I recently picked up the Super GS skin from SAB and love it, but I already have an exotic Zerker GS that I’m not interested in reskinning (Bramblethorn). How useful is it to have Knight’s GS and perhaps in general a Knight’s set of gear? Is there another prefix you might recommend over Knight’s? My other gear right now is all crafted Berserker exotics.

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Posted by: Slurgi.8761

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If you are gonna have any zerker stats gear – you should have it on your weapon, due to the fact that the ratio between crit dmg % and other stats is higher on the weapon.

If you dont wanna re-skin the GS you have, run CoF until you get 390 Flame Legion Charr Carvings, buy another GS with Zerker stats and re-skin that one

I am personally running 6/6 Knights with Zerker GS / Soldier S/S and Zerk/Valk stats on my ascendent gear… I found this to be the best setup vs Zerker D/D Thief, and my sole purpose in life is to kill those kittens!

The gear you pick is really based on you playstyle, so go to the “find your build” thread and see if you can find a build that you like (or something close to what you already have) and check out the recommended gear for that build.

Hopefully this answers your Q! =)

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Posted by: literalirony.7591

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“If you are gonna have any zerker stats gear – you should have it on your weapon, due to the fact that the ratio between crit dmg % and other stats is higher on the weapon.”

I wanted to ask you about this. I looked at the ratio of stats on Knights vs Berserker on Greatsword vs Coat. Knight/GS is 179 Tough 128 Pow 128 Prec, Knight/Coat is 101/72/72. That’s 56% of each stat, on the coat. The ratios on Berserkers are GS: 179/128/9%, Coat: 101/5%/72. In each case the coat has 56% of the stats of the 2-h weapon’s stats. Is there something I’m missing?

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Posted by: Linguistically Inept.6583

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i prefer zerker (or rampager in some cases) on my ranged weapons, if you’re full zerker then (imo) it would be odd switching to a ranged weapon and gaining a durability boost

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Posted by: Esplen.3940

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I am personally running 6/6 Knights with Zerker GS / Soldier S/S and Zerk/Valk stats on my ascendent gear… I found this to be the best setup vs Zerker D/D Thief, and my sole purpose in life is to kill those kittens!

Funny, because I kill those guys while running full zerker (actually, I have valkyrie armor for wvw so I can run ruby orbs in pve and centaur in pvp, but everything else is zerk). When they go invis, they always try to backstab you, no matter what. Just press Sword4 and wait for them to nuke themselves.

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Posted by: Slurgi.8761

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“If you are gonna have any zerker stats gear – you should have it on your weapon, due to the fact that the ratio between crit dmg % and other stats is higher on the weapon.”

I wanted to ask you about this. I looked at the ratio of stats on Knights vs Berserker on Greatsword vs Coat. Knight/GS is 179 Tough 128 Pow 128 Prec, Knight/Coat is 101/72/72. That’s 56% of each stat, on the coat. The ratios on Berserkers are GS: 179/128/9%, Coat: 101/5%/72. In each case the coat has 56% of the stats of the 2-h weapon’s stats. Is there something I’m missing?

Sorry for the non-detailed description. Let me clarify: I put my “Defensive” stat on Clothes and Leggings because both of them give less Crit damage (which usually is the main focus if you consider using zerker stats) – The overall ratio between the different stats on gear is the same no matter what, just like you showed us.

My argument is like this:

GS Berserker And Knights Coat + Leggings =
(9% CD + 128 PR + 179 PO) + (72 PR + 72 PO + 101 TH) + (67 TH +48 PR +48 PO) =
9% CD + 248 PR + 299 PO + 168 TH

vs

GS Soldier And Berserker Coat + Leggings =
(128 PR + 128 PO +179TH) + (5% CD +72 PR +101 PO) + (3% CD +48 PR +67 PO) =
8% CD + 248 PR + 296 PO + 179 TH

With zerker GS you get:
+1% crit dmg + 3PO and – 11 TH

Imo the +1 crit dmg is worth more then the + 11 TH…

@ Esplen.3940 – I never claimed my way was the best way, nor that you couldnt kill thief’s with full zerker, but I tried to give my personal preference to OP to help him out. I went full zerker on my mesmer the first time around and loved the high dmg numbers. Still I found myself getting killed a bit too much for my liking. As i stated gear should be based on your play style and personal preferences… If you dominated the WvW scene with your full zerker Mesmer I am happy for you!=)

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Posted by: AsteriskCGY.5931

AsteriskCGY.5931

Eh, GS builds tend to be zerker oriented, so any other stats seem to be a waste, especially if those stats are more or less the focus of the rest of your gear, even if it’s valkryie on knights. You will get a good hundred so toughness off your sword, but I don’t think it’ll add much compared to the rest of your gear.

I think Knights would work just for the precision, as crit chance outweighs crit damage for low to mid range values of crit.

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Posted by: Esplen.3940

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@ Esplen.3940 – I never claimed my way was the best way, nor that you couldnt kill thief’s with full zerker, but I tried to give my personal preference to OP to help him out. I went full zerker on my mesmer the first time around and loved the high dmg numbers. Still I found myself getting killed a bit too much for my liking. As i stated gear should be based on your play style and personal preferences… If you dominated the WvW scene with your full zerker Mesmer I am happy for you!=)

I understand your predicament. I tend to have problems in 1v3+, but if it’s a 1v2 or a 1v1, I typically win it. I can do a 1v3+ if they don’t know how to play against Mes/are PvE’rs, but who can’t?

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Posted by: Dub.1273

Dub.1273

@Esplen, are you on EU Servers? I’d like to 1v1 a person who can easily win 1v2+’s.

@OP: From 1 to 10, when 1 is garbage and 10 is useful, a knight GS Mesmer wold probably make it to 0.5.

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Posted by: Nuka Cola.8520

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knight is like my fav set for mez and the one i want in spvp the most. Running a pure knight set is a waste tho. Combine it with zerker and the one with toughness/crit damage/power and you’ll get the best all around builds you can for gs/shatter.

Fact: every Thief tells you to “l2p” when the subject is to nerf stealth.

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Posted by: aIJay.8125

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If you are gonna have any zerker stats gear – you should have it on your weapon, due to the fact that the ratio between crit dmg % and other stats is higher on the weapon.

If you dont wanna re-skin the GS you have, run CoF until you get 390 Flame Legion Charr Carvings, buy another GS with Zerker stats and re-skin that one

I am personally running 6/6 Knights with Zerker GS / Soldier S/S and Zerk/Valk stats on my ascendent gear… I found this to be the best setup vs Zerker D/D Thief, and my sole purpose in life is to kill those kittens!

The gear you pick is really based on you playstyle, so go to the “find your build” thread and see if you can find a build that you like (or something close to what you already have) and check out the recommended gear for that build.

Hopefully this answers your Q! =)

If you are running 6/6 knight armor and zerker GS and looking to maximize your crit damage then sad to say you are doing it all wrong.

Here is a quick look at how much crit damage each stat point is worth for each piece (credits to Strife025 from guru)

5 stat points – upgrade slot of trinkets and backpack
7 points – Ascended Back Piece
8.5 stat points – Ascended Rings
8.7 stat points – Ascended Earrings
9.4 stat points – Ascended Amulet
10 stat points- traits (not an equipment, but listed for comparison)
12 stat points – glove, shoulder and boots
12.8 stat points – 1H weapons and amulet
13.33 stat points – Earring
14 stat points – Backpack (rare version from guild armorsmith)
14.22 stat points – 2H weapons
14.4 stat points – Coat
16 stat points – Ring, helm and legging

As you can see 2H weapons like the GS have rather terrible crit damage ratios.

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Posted by: Slurgi.8761

Slurgi.8761

If you are gonna have any zerker stats gear – you should have it on your weapon, due to the fact that the ratio between crit dmg % and other stats is higher on the weapon.

If you dont wanna re-skin the GS you have, run CoF until you get 390 Flame Legion Charr Carvings, buy another GS with Zerker stats and re-skin that one

I am personally running 6/6 Knights with Zerker GS / Soldier S/S and Zerk/Valk stats on my ascendent gear… I found this to be the best setup vs Zerker D/D Thief, and my sole purpose in life is to kill those kittens!

The gear you pick is really based on you playstyle, so go to the “find your build” thread and see if you can find a build that you like (or something close to what you already have) and check out the recommended gear for that build.

Hopefully this answers your Q! =)

If you are running 6/6 knight armor and zerker GS and looking to maximize your crit damage then sad to say you are doing it all wrong.

Here is a quick look at how much crit damage each stat point is worth for each piece (credits to Strife025 from guru)

5 stat points – upgrade slot of trinkets and backpack
7 points – Ascended Back Piece
8.5 stat points – Ascended Rings
8.7 stat points – Ascended Earrings
9.4 stat points – Ascended Amulet
10 stat points- traits (not an equipment, but listed for comparison)
12 stat points – glove, shoulder and boots
12.8 stat points – 1H weapons and amulet
13.33 stat points – Earring
14 stat points – Backpack (rare version from guild armorsmith)
14.22 stat points – 2H weapons
14.4 stat points – Coat
16 stat points – Ring, helm and legging

As you can see 2H weapons like the GS have rather terrible crit damage ratios.

Mind sending me a link to the site on guru showing the stat ratios? Had a look, but couldnt find it …

Also wanna point out that i am running valk / zerker stats on ascendent – so the only improvement I might get is swapping out the GS zerker stats with the valk gloves, shoulder and boots.

Even so Ty for the heads up!

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