Guild Wars 2

1 second cast time
180 cooldown
1200 range
10 seconds of no healing
10 seconds of no condiclear
10 seconds of no stunbreak
10 seconds of no damage mitigation excluding one dodge
10 seconds of no range attacks
10 seconds of no real damage output

The “counters” are inherit. Given the above information. Interrupt a mesmer any time they look like they are casting something. Dodge/block every single time the mesmer looks like they are casting something… so on. Of course, the mesmer can just be invisible?

“AM I CASTING IT? AM I CASTING IT? BETTER DODGE! BETTER INTERRUPT! Haha, just joking I’m gona go invisible for 2 seconds before I cast. LOL”

You have an instant win button for anything of or less than celestial defenses. You can do SO MUCH to someone with their keys useless for 10 seconds.

The mesmer doesn’t know what they’re doing or has kitten dps if they can’t kill someone who isn’t tanky on stats alone and is a completely defenseless moa incapable of any recognizable response for 10 seconds.

POINT: There is no real counter to moa. Why?
2nd POINT: Having such a powerful hard counter to an entire array of enemy “stat set choices” off one button alone is just stupid.

Interestingly enough, Signet of Humility is the least used Elite amongst Mesmers even in sPvP.

When I get Moa’d I just immediately Moa-charge away. I think its 4 or 5? One of those. Rarely do I get downed while Moa’d… it’s essentially an Elite that forces you to disengage for 10s.

Daunt.8239:

1 second cast time
180 cooldown
1200 range
10 seconds of no healing
10 seconds of no condiclear
10 seconds of no stunbreak
10 seconds of no damage mitigation excluding one dodge
10 seconds of no range attacks
10 seconds of no real damage output

The “counters” are inherit. Given the above information. Interrupt a mesmer any time they look like they are casting something. Dodge/block every single time the mesmer looks like they are casting something… so on. Of course, the mesmer can just be invisible?

“AM I CASTING IT? AM I CASTING IT? BETTER DODGE! BETTER INTERRUPT! Haha, just joking I’m gona go invisible for 2 seconds before I cast. LOL”

You have an instant win button for anything of or less than celestial defenses. You can do SO MUCH to someone with their keys useless for 10 seconds.

The mesmer doesn’t know what they’re doing or has kitten dps if they can’t kill someone who isn’t tanky on stats alone and is a completely defenseless moa incapable of any recognizable response for 10 seconds.

POINT: There is no real counter to moa. Why?
2nd POINT: Having such a powerful hard counter to an entire array of enemy “stat set choices” off one button alone is just stupid.

Are you playing solo q?

Two dodges and Moa 5, plenty to work with.

I only play ranked and the few times I’ve been Moa’d recently, I’ve managed to survive just fine.

Of course this thread isnt about me. It’s about you OP. What do you need from us, a tissue? A cuddle? Morale support? We’re here for you. Take my hand.

It’s an elite skill with 180sec cd. Meant to be game changing. You basically take one perso n out of a fight for 10 sec. If it gets dodged/blocked/blinded, then it’s a huge loss for the mesmer.

The most fun is when you down someone while you’re Moa’ed. That thing actually hurts!

In all seriousness though, being moa’ed isn’t the worst thing in the world. Like Ross said, you have 2 dodges and a dash to disengage with (and if the mesmer follows you, he’ll be off point too).

DeathReign.7821:

The most fun is when you down someone while you’re Moa’ed. That thing actually hurts!

In all seriousness though, being moa’ed isn’t the worst thing in the world. Like Ross said, you have 2 dodges and a dash to disengage with (and if the mesmer follows you, he’ll be off point too).

Well, a Moa’d Ranger pet is much much more effective than a normal Ranger pet. It can actually hit stuff that moves.

Embolism.8106:: You were not rude at all, I’m not trying to be rude, but… Given the nature of the ability, your opponents don’t know what they are doing or you’re in soldiers/sentinels, if a dps mesmer can’t drop you in 10 seconds with you holding your hands off the keyboard. Additionally if “Disengagement” was the purpose of the ability they can make it time freeze or prism them where they don’t take damage but can’t do anything either.

StickerHappy.8052:: I do RankedTeamspeak, UnrankedSolo and WvW, it is most apparent when there is a 1v1 between me and anyone who isn’t tanky on stats/gear alone.

Ross Biddle.2367:: I have ever right to say something when I feel that I myself have a win button. Balance is balance and if you’ve only been moa’d a few times you don’t play often, rarity has nothing to do with impact regardless. It’s also not 3 dodges. There is the 5 on moa but the two inherit don’t instantly refill and were likely used in attempts to avoid possible moas any time the mesmer appeared to be casting something or avoiding heavy hits, you don’t just sit on your dodges in case I have the win button because I might just kill you without it if you approach like that.

Exciton.8942:: There is not a single 180CD(or higher) ability that is as game changing. It’s effectively a form of 10 second daze. This is an instant kill button depending on stat set. This is one optional elite that makes a large array of stat set and build choices an instant death encounter when facing you. If removing them for 10 seconds is the goal then make a player frozen between time rifts or trapped in a prism for 10 seconds. No need to instakill without skill if they have the wrong stat set.

DeathReign.7821:: It’s not 3 dodges. There is the 5 on moa but the two inherit don’t instantly refill and were likely used in attempts to avoid possible moas any time the mesmer appeared to be casting something or avoiding heavy hits, you don’t just sit on your dodges in case I have the win button because I might just kill you without it if you approach like that. It’s also not about points. It’s about the 1v1. Balance is not restricted to RankedArenaTeamspeak.

Sandzibar.5134:: Yep, it’s a funny quirk. Same thing happens to other NPCs.

@daunt you are failing to consider the balances in the game. Read over the list of elites in the game and come back when you have processed them.

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Elite_skill

It is no more powerful than Lich or battle standard or rampage… You get the point I hope.

I honestly can’t remember the last time I died to moa. If you’ve got plenty of hp when you get hit, just go offensive and keep attacking, since the moa skills are quite powerful. If you’re low on hp, use skill 5 to disengage for 10 seconds and then come back, it’s that easy.

Honestly, if I get hit with moa, I instantly qualify that mesmer as probably not great. Moa is only taken to rip rampage/lich/other transforms. It’s absolutely worse than the other choices otherwise.

I like these threads though, cause they’re worth a good chuckle. Any good mesmer (any good PvPer) understands that moa is fine and isn’t getting nerfed, so we can all just relax and laugh at threads like this without worrying about more nerfs because of them.

Since The OP said he was playing ranked with comms, I will assume you are facing against Teams with Comms too, While mesmers here have a point, Getting moa against a COORDINATED team is a death sentence, you can’t even use those dodges as they will CC you immediately.

But on the flipside, its on a very large cooldown already, so It wouldn’t hard to catch up again if it kills you.

Elite skills are supposed to be game changers when used at the right time, All I could advice you is tell your teammates to peel for you when you get Moa’d.

If the scenario was 1v1, the chances of dodging While Moa’d is higher since 1 person cannot chain CC you unless they are built for it, which i will find very unlikely in normal team comps.

In 1v1, LOS is your bestfriend esp waterfall and quarry nodes where you can just go on the back of the node and circle around the point.

So there you go, hope this helps.

As Stickerhappy said, if you’re getting Moa’d and chained CC’d by a coordinated team, you were dead meat already before the Moa came into it.

That aside, if you have a problem with Moa, you’re gonna HATE gravity well on Chronomancer. Especially in the hands of a Lockdown pro.

Hope to see you in game. Sounds like an easy kill :D

Ross Biddle.2367:

As Stickerhappy said, if you’re getting Moa’d and chained CC’d by a coordinated team, you were dead meat already before the Moa came into it.

That aside, if you have a problem with Moa, you’re gonna HATE gravity well on Chronomancer. Especially in the hands of a Lockdown pro.

Hope to see you in game. Sounds like an easy kill

Seriously, people don’t understand Gravity Well yet…

Have you ever tried attacking with the skills in Moa? They actually do great dmg… and there is one that stacks like 5-10 stacks of confusion. next time don’t run around like a chicken with its head cut off… use and learn the attacks. Then laugh when you kill them in moa form.

Kusa.6438:

Have you ever tried attacking with the skills in Moa? They actually do great dmg… and there is one that stacks like 5-10 stacks of confusion. next time don’t run around like a chicken with its head cut off… use and learn the attacks. Then laugh when you kill them in moa form.

There is no confusion in Moa, IIRC.

StickerHappy.8052:

Kusa.6438:

Have you ever tried attacking with the skills in Moa? They actually do great dmg… and there is one that stacks like 5-10 stacks of confusion. next time don’t run around like a chicken with its head cut off… use and learn the attacks. Then laugh when you kill them in moa form.

There is no confusion in Moa, IIRC.

I don’t know, there seems to be plenty of confusion on the worth of Moa in this thread :p

Its just inexperience, you need to learn not to panic.

Moa 5 will allow you to dodge while immobed, you get 2 dodges and a leap to try and get you to safety and your team mates can provide boons or pressure foes. This is all if it hits, you can avoid it like anything else – I would point out it has a very distinct animation (roll a Mesmer and cast it a few times in HotM to get it into your head).

Moa gets a lot of upset from new players but you’ll find as you gain experience it becomes very much less of an “I WIN” button and really requires a lot of coordination from the team to capitalise on it.

Don’t underestimate the damage you can do in Moa form, keep pressuring the Mesmer. You can also Flee with the #5 skill, which will Evade as you dart off. Rather effective if you use it right. Since you added a little comment on how only bad Mesmers can’t kill x or y, I’ll say to you that only bad players can’t deal with Moa and gets upset about it. There’s a wiki, you could look up the skills available to you.

By all means, pick up a Mesmer and play one. See how easy it is. Clearly you can faceroll with this profession, so join us — we’re seemingly the flavor of the month, every month. We must be with how often players ask for nerfs in regards to Mesmer skills.

Exciton.8942:

It’s an elite skill with 180sec cd. Meant to be game changing. You basically take one perso n out of a fight for 10 sec. If it gets dodged/blocked/blinded, then it’s a huge loss for the mesmer.

Meanwhile, teef gets Thieves Guild on the same cooldown…

LOL.

Just as a heads up, reposting a deleted comment is a really efficient way to get infractions.

Another thread that needs to be closed.