Guild Wars 2

The title says it all, I fear that the mesmer will become an unwanted class in all forms of group play in the near future, our balance is kind of hanging in by a thread. I don’t feel that our role in wvw is that great, yeah, portals are fun but we don’t really have a constant way of dealing with zergs in wvw. All we can really do is throw down a feedback, maybe a chaos storm or a phantasmal berserker and that’s it, while most other classes (if not all other) can constantly keep on dishing out aoe spells.
And solo roaming just feels kinda dumb if you don’t have a 25% movement signet(but that’s just my opinion).

We have quite an awesome utility in organized dungeon play but just imagine what would happen if guardians got a time warp (a quickness spell that lasts 10 seconds). They already have quite a few reflect spells and their boon spamming abilities in this game are unmatched.

I’ve been hearing a lot of people complain about mesmer damage being horrible, even though I don’t feel that way ( I’ve entered a lot of dungeons with an ascended zerker thief and came back to my mesmer every time, playing a thief in dungeons just feels so awkward imho). Then again, I doubt so many people would be bashing mesmer dps if it wasn’t kinda below average or something.

So basically it comes down to the fact that if mesmers don’t get some major dps boost and if guardians get even better support spells, we will become obsolete.

So what do you guys think, are my fears rational or am I just being paranoid for no reason at all (I do love playing the mesmer but I don’t want to end up playing a class that is almost obsolete)

Also, on a quick side note, this fear was ignited by the fact that new spells are going to be added to the game.

I fear mesmer in SPvP is gone atm, alot of argument is made for it still being viable, but with the meta atm, I brought out a full on power phant crit build and a cond build just to always be killed by conditions in the end, SKyhammer map is horrbile to be a mesmer atm, it is so close tight it locks you into AoE and there isn’t much space to dodge around well with, atm in WvW mesmer isn’t as bad, it is still strong in 1v1 scenarios only class to fully negate it and kind of be a problem is a perma thief who resets every time, other then that mesmer in wvw is hanging barely, phant is strong, but in a 1vX situation, conditions outplay phant builds, cond builds are good but not as good as other classes, and also I just find it harder to be a mesmer not in terms of damage but mobility, with CC warriors, Perma regen retal guards, BM / Trap rangers, Necros, cond engies, the more it seems mesmer still deal damage but the other classes are starting to be more mobile and damage dealing in terms of that. Then there is the GS shatter mesmer which imo are good for burst but the fundamental flaw in them makes them sitting ducks if their opponent can stealth, AoE and of course deal heavy damage up close.

Condi mesmer in Wvw small-scale roaming is still good, but it’s just soooooo slow. We are some way behind on other condi classes though. When it becomes large-scale, the Mesmer is turning into an utility-bot and that’s about it. Haven’t played SPvP in a while

However, I do like the direction that they seem to be taken the Mesmer with a greater focus on interrupts and confusion, although most of that is single-target, which doesn’t help us much in large scale WvW.

I’m not afraid at all.

Anet, despite the rampant pessimism and short-sightedness that tend to infect people (Not saying you. Just saying that once someone goes “Mesmer unviable!” or “Thief OP!” people rather simply blindly agree than see for themselves. And if they do see for themselves, their vision is now more jaded because of the aforementioned claims)

Anet did very good with GW1 and from what I heard.. It didn’t come instantly, it didn’t come within a year, it took a while to get it down. I have the same hopes for GW2 because despite the constant complains, the game is constantly improving bit by bit. Not every patch is perfect of course and theres been plenty stupid, rage-inducing changes (coughConfusion*cough*) and if this isn’t the “Whack-A-Mole” balance they were trying to prevent then I don’t know what is… but still.

As for PvP.. I’m pretty sure we’re only “unviable” at the highest levels of play. And even then I’m a little skeptical about that. How many builds were actually learned and tested for sPvP? How many specs were theoretically trashed before they even had a chance? I think most high-end players simply don’t have the time to fish through builds and invent something that works when the next class around the corner already has what they’re looking for, thus the state of Mesmer. I highly doubt most normal players can’t run a Mes and still do fine. I really think its more a hardcore dedicated team composition issue.. and who knows how that’ll shift in the next 3 months.

I simply don’t think they’ll let a class sit obscure or useless. Even if Mesmer are in a slump right now(certainly doesn’t feel that way, especially in PvE) I’m fairly certain we’ll see some changes. So far the last two patches have given us some buffs… Weird, awkward buffs that no one asked for (Null Field? Counter blade?) but buffs nonetheless.

I honestly think they’re looking at improving our AoE game. I wont be surprised if confusion gets a bit of a buff too.

TL:DR: I highly doubt we’ll be nerfed to the ground and just left there. Thats lousy design. Anet listens to .. uh …. criers, and right now Mesmer voices are louder than the rest.

Zero Mesmer’s at PAX. Mesmers are a liability in Tpvp.

The future is now.

Hmmmph. Sounds like those Mesmer players pussed out. As much as I think ANet’s nerfhammer is:

1. PvPer fuelled
2. Random as hell
3. Unneeded in many cases.

I’m still running my Mesmer most of the time … unless I’m levelling an alt. Now, if we can get our Condition weaponry put proper, and a couple of the more ridiculous nerfs
(Hi, Blinding Befuddlement!) addressed, we’re back to doing well enough. Indeed, I’m surprised none of the TPvP Mesmers went for a full Melandru set/Mender’s Purity/Arc-Thievery spread. It’d help versus the current meta being Condition-heavy.

Gotta admit. When you see a Mesmer in PvP now, you’re seeing a person who either truly loves the class or didn’t get the message.

Advent.6193:

Hmmmph. Sounds like those Mesmer players pussed out. As much as I think ANet’s nerfhammer is:

1. PvPer fuelled
2. Random as hell
3. Unneeded in many cases.

I’m still running my Mesmer most of the time … unless I’m levelling an alt. Now, if we can get our Condition weaponry put proper, and a couple of the more ridiculous nerfs
(Hi, Blinding Befuddlement!) addressed, we’re back to doing well enough. Indeed, I’m surprised none of the TPvP Mesmers went for a full Melandru set/Mender’s Purity/Arc-Thievery spread. It’d help versus the current meta being Condition-heavy.

Problem is Mesmers give up too much to run condition removal and by taking these traits or utilities, they become a liability when compared to the three meta classes (necro, spirit ranger, grenade engie) and even s/d thief.

I agree that we’ve little left in terms of “go to” builds and mechanics. Many old builds that once were reliable are now junk. I still run my mesmer constantly in pvp and I really like clone kill builds as of late. I just bounce around dropping people without even attacking them. tPvP is a bit more challenging. Last night I ran into a mesmer on home treb with the same build and we just stalemated for 5 minutes until he finally left…

Wait Archangel you’re from AR, this is an FC mesmer xD

Also i dont think Mesmer is completely unviable although my first post probably incriminates me, it’s just atm its hard to find and optimal build, I havent tested all possibilities yet and of course with the new runeset that came out and the sigils, lol i have a few schemes up my sleeve to test, so far only builds i havent tested are Mantra and Shatter, Shatter from combat experience I know where they fail, as for Mantra, its one of those places I know may be good, if not it may be what I’ve been looking for all along, but I come from a Hybrid, phant, stealth PU style, ever since my mesmer was born, either Hybrid, Phant, Phant hybrid, or Stealth cond, I might have to learn Mantra but still ima have to wipe mercilessly before i figure out how to handle them, here we go again xD

Chaos Archangel.5071:

Gotta admit. When you see a Mesmer in PvP now, you’re seeing a person who either truly loves the class or didn’t get the message.

I still use Mes in PvP, just like you say, its purely because I love the class and regardless of how much of a liability I may be, I wouldn’t want to reroll like everyone else!
Tend to stick to hot join as I find solo que very unfriendly to Mesmers.
In hotjoin I can be a little selfish and not take any of the team play utilities. I instead run with Null Field, Arcane Thievery and Mirror Images as well as Moa. I dropped Sword/x in favor of GS/Staff so I can keep as far away from condi spammers as allowable.

I found a pretty good strat of throwing down a null field and a choas storm on point and then jumping into it, it strips condis off me while the choas storm puts them on the enemy and the null filed is also stripping boons from them. Arcane thievery as a backup in case I get any nasty condis on me, throw them right back! I can then either put up some staff clones for more condi out put or punish the player with Phants from the staff and GS!

While this isnt really effective in high end team play as you pretty much have to use everything you’ve got all at once, it certainly seems to be working in hotjoin. (minus everyone zerging you to death).

WvW I still run Mes over anything because it still brings the best team support you can get in game, no amount of buffing other classes is going to change how valuble our utilities are!

And lets face it, everyone still wants our Time Warp in dungeons so we are still fine there too.

We could certainly do with a bit of TLC in the scepter/torch department to bring it upto par with our other weps though! Confusion should be put back to what it was as well, I dont see why they totally nerfed our one condition and then find it acceptable to give necros stupid amounts of every condi ever thought of! lol

We are only really suffering in PvP at the moment, not because we aren’t able to do anything still, but purely because of this current condi meta.
I’d love to see Mantras reworked and some traits having condi removal included in them more. More access to torment to keep all those condi spammers from focusing us.

they dont need to fix that many beside bugs imo.
would be enough to lift up confusion a bit and make torment a trait add not a weapon add for example.
enough room to turn mesmers into freakin combat control machines.
“dazed and confused” led zep said it already haha

it may be unwanted in spvp but will never happen in pve or wvw. Who cares what happens in pvp lol gw2 pvp.

Nuka Cola.8520:

it may be unwanted in spvp but will never happen in pve or wvw. Who cares what happens in pvp lol gw2 pvp.

These are legitimate concerns since PvP is a big part of the game and the current meta is unfit for mesmers since heavy conditions rule nowdays , clearly you have nothing in common with PvP based on your post.

Also roaming with a mesmer in WvW is kind of a no go due to low mobility.. We shall see what happens in the future but for now things look gloomy.

Narsil.6579:

SKyhammer map is horrbile to be a mesmer atm,

Skyhammer is a mesmer paradise.