Guild Wars 2

Hello,

I am happy to embrace the mezmers party. Thief is boring to die to play with the new patch.
So I decided to move forward and follow the game power. The best way to survive is the adaptation no?

Well because of all the crying going on at the moment about how overpowered mesmers are its inevitable that we are going to face the nerf bat.

You may find yourself hopping back to your thief as Anet renders mesmers back to useless again.

Troll thread, ……….troll thread, …..troll thread…………………. Nice try.!!!

Dont respond to add fuel to this thread.

FotM…

Well, have fun I suppose.

Actually the mesmer is one of the best class to play in spvp (or The best class for spvp).
But only if you learn how to play it.
High mobility, condition remove, very direct and/or condition damage, high survavibility. Mesmer have everything. But only if you learn how to play.
That’s why I can kill easy a lot of mesmers bu sometimes I find mesmers that can not be killed.

My main is a guardian and just today I’ve find myself fighting against a mesmer that is very powerfull. Really, we have to be 3 to kill him and frequently I can kill (or hit hard) a mesmer by myself. I’ve lose some 2vs1 against him because we have not been able to catch him.
He was a very good player, it’s the first that I find able to do something like that, but frequently to syn is the team with the better mesmer. And they win something like 500-200 and it’s not very easy kill me and my friends.
But ehi, that one was able to kill us in 1vs2 and survive in 1vs3.
Rampager build with sword/torch and GS, sigil air and fire, traits chaos, illusions and inspiration. Really hard to fight.

I’ve try a 1vs1. I’m good in 1vs1 with my guardian but I’m suvived for more or less 15 seconds, no more.

Actually a good mesmer can make his team win in spvp.
A team with 2 good mesmers can be really hard to defeat, sometimes impossible.

I’m sad to say that to you, but actually the mesmer is really the powerfull class in spvp.
Not the only class that can do great things, but the one that can do it better.

You’ve probably been running something other than P/P Thief, in which case yes, of course it’s going to be boring. Duh.

Please learn how to spell mesmer before posting.

Not all that surprising, so am I!

it is hard not to make the conversion once you play a Mesmer, and you see that it does everything a thief does, and better.

Wryscher.1432:

Not all that surprising, so am I!

it is hard not to make the conversion once you play a Mesmer, and you see that it does everything a thief does, and better.

Except gank people in 2 hits.

Faction.4013:

Except gank people in 2 hits.

Thieves do that now?

MrForz.1953:

Faction.4013:

Except gank people in 2 hits.

Thieves do that now?

Sometimes it does take 3.

Faction.4013:

Wryscher.1432:

Not all that surprising, so am I!

it is hard not to make the conversion once you play a Mesmer, and you see that it does everything a thief does, and better.

Except gank people in 2 hits.

See that is my problem. Ive tried this whole time to not play the constant stealth burst thief. And the recent changes… well lets say it is less then ideal.

So mesmer it is. And it can’t just be thieves joining up. There are far to many mesmers now, lots of others classes are joining the mesmer train.

YEa man i totally agree except I was playing ranger before (Still do jus not as much since mesmer is so good now)

I’ve been playing mesmer too since the update and it’s been too much fun. I play this and ranger pretty much only 2 classes now. Been leaning more towards mesmer now because the inspiration shatter mesmer build is extremely broken. I suggest you try it out, it melts people and i can even take 2v1’s and of course portal across the map if i get into a rough situation to back cap our opponent team. One thing I don’t like about mesmer is they dumbed it down too much , it almost feels boring after a while dominating so i just swap to GS power ranger.

Good point OP. Also looking to adapt. Engie looking to join the mesmer OP train till it stops or slows down. Funny, I wonder what the people saying troll thread are using? GASP i bet its mesmer….

Helcor.9527:

Good point OP. Also looking to adapt. Engie looking to join the mesmer OP train till it stops or slows down. Funny, I wonder what the people saying troll thread are using? GASP i bet its mesmer….

….Are you dense?
Did you fall off the logic train into a river of dumb.
Do you even realize how dumb that statement is?

Solori.6025:

Helcor.9527:

Good point OP. Also looking to adapt. Engie looking to join the mesmer OP train till it stops or slows down. Funny, I wonder what the people saying troll thread are using? GASP i bet its mesmer….

….Are you dense?
Did you fall off the logic train into a river of dumb.
Do you even realize how dumb that statement is?

Im glad youre smart enough to ask and not dumb enough to make an obviously stupid insult. So to put it simply, you must not get it. Have a great day Sol!

Helcor.9527:

Good point OP. Also looking to adapt. Engie looking to join the mesmer OP train till it stops or slows down. Funny, I wonder what the people saying troll thread are using? GASP i bet its mesmer….

We’re in the Mesmer forum…. Who should we expect is going to respond? -_-u

Well. I don’t exactly envy the Mesmer with the current trend.

As a former ranger main welcome to the club. If you can’t beat em join em.

Ross Biddle.2367:

Helcor.9527:

Good point OP. Also looking to adapt. Engie looking to join the mesmer OP train till it stops or slows down. Funny, I wonder what the people saying troll thread are using? GASP i bet its mesmer….

We’re in the Mesmer forum…. Who should we expect is going to respond? -_-u

The mind game is real on Mesmer subforum, don’t get fooled !

Helcor.9527:

Solori.6025:

Helcor.9527:

Good point OP. Also looking to adapt. Engie looking to join the mesmer OP train till it stops or slows down. Funny, I wonder what the people saying troll thread are using? GASP i bet its mesmer….

….Are you dense?
Did you fall off the logic train into a river of dumb.
Do you even realize how dumb that statement is?

Im glad youre smart enough to ask and not dumb enough to make an obviously stupid insult. So to put it simply, you must not get it. Have a great day Sol!

You’re right, I totally missed the sarcasm.
Because their was no possible way that was a serious post. My apologies.

Adapt by creating a new class character, or adapt your thief build. The latter is far easier than trying to learn Mes. Mes is still one of the most challenging classes to learn. But good luck.

Vague Memory.2817:

Mes is still one of the most challenging classes to learn. But good luck.

It really isn’t. How many people who main other classes but have recently switched to mesmer have to say this before it sinks in. Mesmer is super easy to pick up and be effective.

Maybe it has a higher skill ceiling (i.e. has lots of potential to gain power as you master the class), but the skill floor (i.e. what you need to be a viable threat) is about as low as it gets now.

Choppy.4183:

Vague Memory.2817:

Mes is still one of the most challenging classes to learn. But good luck.

It really isn’t. How many people who main other classes but have recently switched to mesmer have to say this before it sinks in. Mesmer is super easy to pick up and be effective.

Maybe it has a higher skill ceiling (i.e. has lots of potential to gain power as you master the class), but the skill floor (i.e. what you need to be a viable threat) is about as low as it gets now.

If by viable you mean pressing 2 on greatsword and then shattering I suppose, sword swap shatter. That’s all I see from new mesmers. Gets old predictable so I would argue not viable.

Choppy.4183:

Vague Memory.2817:

Mes is still one of the most challenging classes to learn. But good luck.

It really isn’t. How many people who main other classes but have recently switched to mesmer have to say this before it sinks in. Mesmer is super easy to pick up and be effective.

Maybe it has a higher skill ceiling (i.e. has lots of potential to gain power as you master the class), but the skill floor (i.e. what you need to be a viable threat) is about as low as it gets now.

People said the same about ranger.

And about Warrior..

And about Ele..

and condi..

and thief…

Vague Memory.2817:

Adapt by creating a new class character, or adapt your thief build. The latter is far easier than trying to learn Mes. Mes is still one of the most challenging classes to learn. But good luck.

It is far from the most challenging to learn right now. You can manage to get spectacular results with relatively little play time as it is now.

The profession as is, has next to no risk at all since it can bail at any moment without the opponent being able to do much about it while maintaining huge burst every 15 secs and stuns nearly on demand. This is not my definition of “challenging”.

Welcome FoTM mesmer… There is probably a place for you in our train, amongst other FoTM mesmers… enjoy your stay until nerf hits and you go back to other classes

Well of course it is easier to play mes now if you’ve played it for two years. But to a new player is quite challenging. Anyone saying mes is easy to play either played mes for a long time, doesn’t play Mes well, only PvEs or has no clue what they are talking about. Compared to most of the other classes it has a higher skill threshold. All of these so called new “effective” Mes are getting destroyed in PvP, including these elusive OP memsers people keep talking about. That is what I’m seeing in the matches I’ve played, Mes getting killed at the same rate as they were before, if not faster due to the boosted condi damage.

Thing with mesmer is you can burst as hard as thief but still have excellent ranged damage, utility plus survivability. It is a bit too good atm, I predict nerfs.

scerevisiae.1972:

Thing with mesmer is you can burst as hard as thief but still have excellent ranged damage, utility plus survivability. It is a bit too good atm, I predict nerfs.

The famous 3/3/3/3/3 build.

New/FOTM Mesmers are getting eaten alive in PvP. So what if they can do a Mirror Blade Blink MW combo. There’s nothing wrong with having something to pick the class up and run with.

Also, it’s super predictable and easy to avoid.

You should read his troll post on thief forum.

denis.9487:

scerevisiae.1972:

Thing with mesmer is you can burst as hard as thief but still have excellent ranged damage, utility plus survivability. It is a bit too good atm, I predict nerfs.

The famous 3/3/3/3/3 build.

Actually insp shatter mes w/ greatsword defines this pretty specifically.

I have noticed a lot of terrible mesmers lately. Can you guys go back to being thieves, engis or whatever because you just don’t cut it as mesmers?

serenke.4806:

I have noticed a lot of terrible mesmers lately. Can you guys go back to being thieves, engis or whatever because you just don’t cut it as mesmers?

How will they become amazing in three years time if they don’t start now?

Vague Memory.2817:

Well of course it is easier to play mes now if you’ve played it for two years. But to a new player is quite challenging. Anyone saying mes is easy to play either played mes for a long time, doesn’t play Mes well, only PvEs or has no clue what they are talking about. Compared to most of the other classes it has a higher skill threshold. All of these so called new “effective” Mes are getting destroyed in PvP, including these elusive OP memsers people keep talking about. That is what I’m seeing in the matches I’ve played, Mes getting killed at the same rate as they were before, if not faster due to the boosted condi damage.

I beg to differ. Post June 23rd patch, Mesmers are not that hard to play any more. It still takes time and commitment to become even better, but there’s a reason all the FOTM players are hopping on the train because it’s more accessible than before. I still think Ele and Engies are way harder to play than Mesmers now.

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

The profession as is, has next to no risk at all since it can bail at any moment without the opponent being able to do much about it while maintaining huge burst every 15 secs and stuns nearly on demand. This is not my definition of “challenging”.

That’s three distinct builds you just described.

“Huge burst every 15s” = Power Shatter mesmer
“Bail at any moment without the opponent being able to do much about it” = PU Mesmer
“Stuns nearly on demand” = Lockdown mesmer

Some people mix and match between those a bit, but you don’t get to have all three at once.

How about I turn that back on you?

Thief as is, is just too powerful as they can do a huge burst every 5s from the middle of nowhere while being able to apply so much condition damage that you can’t even heal up. Plus, they can just stay in stealth forever and there’s no way to see them coming.

Ele as is, is just too powerful as they can unload incredible amounts of damage all the time, and you can’t kill them because of their 20k health.

Guardian as is, is just too powerful because they’re pretty much invincible while being able to lay down tons of burns all the time with high condition damage.

AlphatheWhite.9351:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

The profession as is, has next to no risk at all since it can bail at any moment without the opponent being able to do much about it while maintaining huge burst every 15 secs and stuns nearly on demand. This is not my definition of “challenging”.

That’s three distinct builds you just described.

“Huge burst every 15s” = Power Shatter mesmer
“Bail at any moment without the opponent being able to do much about it” = PU Mesmer
“Stuns nearly on demand” = Lockdown mesmer

Some people mix and match between those a bit, but you don’t get to have all three at once.

Dom/Duel/Chaos with PU + Confounding Suggestions.
“Big burst every 15s” = MOD + Mirrorblade + Mindwrack + Mindstab
PU = PU
“Stuns nearly on demand” = MOD + CS

What you should have pointed out is that this build lacks condi removal. Applying weakness will neuter both its burst and sustained damage, and applying a few stacks of burning = easy kill. So it boils down to how good the mesmer is at kiting / avoiding getting hit by condi attacks vs. how good the other player is at LOSing and baiting out CDs.

AlphatheWhite.9351:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

The profession as is, has next to no risk at all since it can bail at any moment without the opponent being able to do much about it while maintaining huge burst every 15 secs and stuns nearly on demand. This is not my definition of “challenging”.

That’s three distinct builds you just described.

“Huge burst every 15s” = Power Shatter mesmer
“Bail at any moment without the opponent being able to do much about it” = PU Mesmer
“Stuns nearly on demand” = Lockdown mesmer

Some people mix and match between those a bit, but you don’t get to have all three at once.

How about I turn that back on you?

Thief as is, is just too powerful as they can do a huge burst every 5s from the middle of nowhere while being able to apply so much condition damage that you can’t even heal up. Plus, they can just stay in stealth forever and there’s no way to see them coming.

Ele as is, is just too powerful as they can unload incredible amounts of damage all the time, and you can’t kill them because of their 20k health.

Guardian as is, is just too powerful because they’re pretty much invincible while being able to lay down tons of burns all the time with high condition damage.

First, you are preaching at the choir with the thief as far as I’m concerned. Or rather, regarding the stealth + burst combo (extraordinarily bad idea in any game to implement that kind of thing. Abysmally bad).

Second, none of the builds you have proposed for other profession are without real risks as opposed to any of the major build from the mesmer right now.

Yes, all the builds you counter proposed are very strong, but not without risk. The medi guard is super bursty, true, but can’t as easily bail out from all, is a lot more fragile and you usually still see all their attack animations leading you to make a choice. When you fail your burst you are in danger. When a mesmer (or many thief yes) fail his burst, it’s no big deal. Let’s reset and try anew until I succeed.

The celestial d/d ele build is a coward build. I’m an ele and I look down on it. But even as cowardly as I see that build, it pale in comparison with the current PU or Mantra mesmer, as well as some variations who still can bail instead of facing the music after making a mistake. It also doesn’t use any kind of stealth so at least you can see what is coming your way.

I get that many here refuse to see the point I try to bring with the risk vs reward but so far nobody here in this thread, or any other thread on the topic, has been even remotely able to show me ONE real risk that comes with several of the popular mesmer builds atm. The attack I can mount on my mesmers can fail, yes, but they carry no real consequences unless you freely decide to push your luck.

@ Sirbeaumerdier

A risk of the build you identified is lack of condi removal. Meaning that a burnguard / cele-ele will wreck the mes, and any class with reliable access to weakness would be able to mitigate a lot of the damage.

Going dom/duel/insp flips that around and gives mes great (aoe) condi removal, but then you lose out on the PU and CD reduction on blink, which makes the mes less slippery.

The only big issue w/ mes right now is that CS+MOD makes it too easy to land a big burst.

Vieux P.1238:

Troll thread, ……….troll thread, …..troll thread…………………. Nice try.!!!

Dont respond to add fuel to this thread.

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People saying that another professions can deal high bursts too..Tbh every single match i play after patch when i hear the Power lock sound… theres some1’s life’s going to near zero. Either enemys(the mesmer is on my team) or allies(mesmer is my enemy).

Maybe another professions burst can be powerful as mesmer burst, but looks like mesmer burst are easier to setup(?) and more game changing. I dont know how to play mesmer thats why i put a “?” on easier to setup. At least is what looks like. Again, its my opinion not the absolute truth.

Blood Lord.5687:

Vieux P.1238:

Troll thread, ……….troll thread, …..troll thread…………………. Nice try.!!!

Dont respond to add fuel to this thread.

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AlphatheWhite.9351:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

The profession as is, has next to no risk at all since it can bail at any moment without the opponent being able to do much about it while maintaining huge burst every 15 secs and stuns nearly on demand. This is not my definition of “challenging”.

That’s three distinct builds you just described.

“Huge burst every 15s” = Power Shatter mesmer
“Bail at any moment without the opponent being able to do much about it” = PU Mesmer
“Stuns nearly on demand” = Lockdown mesmer

Some people mix and match between those a bit, but you don’t get to have all three at once.

How about I turn that back on you?

Thief as is, is just too powerful as they can do a huge burst every 5s from the middle of nowhere while being able to apply so much condition damage that you can’t even heal up. Plus, they can just stay in stealth forever and there’s no way to see them coming.

Ele as is, is just too powerful as they can unload incredible amounts of damage all the time, and you can’t kill them because of their 20k health.

Guardian as is, is just too powerful because they’re pretty much invincible while being able to lay down tons of burns all the time with high condition damage.

if you consider 9k (about max backstab dmg) huge too powerfull bursts i don’t know what to say ^^
and you can always see the thief coming, SR is a big kill me sign, CnD is easy to spot and just dodge, blind field heartseaker use a daze and he’s done, or wait about 2-3 sec (the time he has to prepare a bs) and dodge.
but yeah that is pretty difficult ….

DHawk.2687:

AlphatheWhite.9351:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

The profession as is, has next to no risk at all since it can bail at any moment without the opponent being able to do much about it while maintaining huge burst every 15 secs and stuns nearly on demand. This is not my definition of “challenging”.

That’s three distinct builds you just described.

“Huge burst every 15s” = Power Shatter mesmer
“Bail at any moment without the opponent being able to do much about it” = PU Mesmer
“Stuns nearly on demand” = Lockdown mesmer

Some people mix and match between those a bit, but you don’t get to have all three at once.

How about I turn that back on you?

Thief as is, is just too powerful as they can do a huge burst every 5s from the middle of nowhere while being able to apply so much condition damage that you can’t even heal up. Plus, they can just stay in stealth forever and there’s no way to see them coming.

Ele as is, is just too powerful as they can unload incredible amounts of damage all the time, and you can’t kill them because of their 20k health.

Guardian as is, is just too powerful because they’re pretty much invincible while being able to lay down tons of burns all the time with high condition damage.

if you consider 9k (about max backstab dmg) huge too powerfull bursts i don’t know what to say ^^
and you can always see the thief coming, SR is a big kill me sign, CnD is easy to spot and just dodge, blind field heartseaker use a daze and he’s done, or wait about 2-3 sec (the time he has to prepare a bs) and dodge.
but yeah that is pretty difficult ….

No one sees me comin, dunno what you’re talking about.
And I never hit for just 9k.
I 9k backstab, then heartseeker, then they are dead. If they happened to see me start my approach, and I played the approach right, they don’t even have any evades left because they spent them trying to dodge me.

What you missed and he apparently missed though, is that none of the OP thieves, eles and guardians I mentioned are possible, because to get one of those things, you have to give up the other. Super-tough eles aren’t doing 20k damage in one hit, it takes a zerker to do that. Invincible guardians can’t burn you to death because they had to give up their best traits to get that. Thieves can’t backstab/heartseeker you to death and kill you with conditions, because those are different. builds.

AlphatheWhite.9351:

No one sees me comin, dunno what you’re talking about.
And I never hit for just 9k.
I 9k backstab, then heartseeker, then they are dead. If they happened to see me start my approach, and I played the approach right, they don’t even have any evades left because they spent them trying to dodge me.

Hmm i cant really say the reason, but i dont ussualy have problems with thiefs after patch. Before patch i was used to get so much more difficulty with thiefs. I know they have powerful bursts with backstabs, but acctually i can counter it. I can lose or win, depends on thief skill, but at least for me(power ranger) i dont really feel likes thiefs are unbalanced.

I have so much more hard times with mesmers bursts now, and it looks like its harder to kill them due the lots of reflects/invul/stealth.

DHawk.2687:

AlphatheWhite.9351:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

The profession as is, has next to no risk at all since it can bail at any moment without the opponent being able to do much about it while maintaining huge burst every 15 secs and stuns nearly on demand. This is not my definition of “challenging”.

That’s three distinct builds you just described.

“Huge burst every 15s” = Power Shatter mesmer
“Bail at any moment without the opponent being able to do much about it” = PU Mesmer
“Stuns nearly on demand” = Lockdown mesmer

Some people mix and match between those a bit, but you don’t get to have all three at once.

How about I turn that back on you?

Thief as is, is just too powerful as they can do a huge burst every 5s from the middle of nowhere while being able to apply so much condition damage that you can’t even heal up. Plus, they can just stay in stealth forever and there’s no way to see them coming.

Ele as is, is just too powerful as they can unload incredible amounts of damage all the time, and you can’t kill them because of their 20k health.

Guardian as is, is just too powerful because they’re pretty much invincible while being able to lay down tons of burns all the time with high condition damage.

if you consider 9k (about max backstab dmg) huge too powerfull bursts i don’t know what to say ^^
and you can always see the thief coming, SR is a big kill me sign, CnD is easy to spot and just dodge, blind field heartseaker use a daze and he’s done, or wait about 2-3 sec (the time he has to prepare a bs) and dodge.
but yeah that is pretty difficult ….

Only 9 k?

3 things,

They can Open on you from stealth-
They can CnD off of clones
They can steal and/or shadow step

Solori.6025:

DHawk.2687:

AlphatheWhite.9351:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

The profession as is, has next to no risk at all since it can bail at any moment without the opponent being able to do much about it while maintaining huge burst every 15 secs and stuns nearly on demand. This is not my definition of “challenging”.

That’s three distinct builds you just described.

“Huge burst every 15s” = Power Shatter mesmer
“Bail at any moment without the opponent being able to do much about it” = PU Mesmer
“Stuns nearly on demand” = Lockdown mesmer

Some people mix and match between those a bit, but you don’t get to have all three at once.

How about I turn that back on you?

Thief as is, is just too powerful as they can do a huge burst every 5s from the middle of nowhere while being able to apply so much condition damage that you can’t even heal up. Plus, they can just stay in stealth forever and there’s no way to see them coming.

Ele as is, is just too powerful as they can unload incredible amounts of damage all the time, and you can’t kill them because of their 20k health.

Guardian as is, is just too powerful because they’re pretty much invincible while being able to lay down tons of burns all the time with high condition damage.

if you consider 9k (about max backstab dmg) huge too powerfull bursts i don’t know what to say ^^
and you can always see the thief coming, SR is a big kill me sign, CnD is easy to spot and just dodge, blind field heartseaker use a daze and he’s done, or wait about 2-3 sec (the time he has to prepare a bs) and dodge.
but yeah that is pretty difficult ….

Only 9 k?

3 things,

They can Open on you from stealth-
They can CnD off of clones
They can steal and/or shadow step

Most of the backstab that are successfully delivered to me by power thieves are over 9k (pun intended). The usual Steal (with daze/basilic venom) + CnD + backstab combo is death to me since I have around 12k life. It’s dodge/mistform or die.

I despise all of you who burst from stealth equally. :P

Vieux P.1238:

Blood Lord.5687:

Vieux P.1238:

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Vague Memory.2817:

Adapt by creating a new class character, or adapt your thief build. The latter is far easier than trying to learn Mes. Mes is still one of the most challenging classes to learn. But good luck.

ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha…. NO

you can actually kill people by mashing random keys on mes now… i tried it D8