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Posted by: geekilo.8512

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I refuse to play bunker chrono whenever it was in the meta, but now i’m just salty that in order to get rid of it. Anet just nerf the whole chrono thing to the ground. I blame bunker chrono for ruin other damage chrono build.

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Posted by: Silverkey.2078

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Technically, they haven’t (announced) major core-mesmer nerfs. Only chaos armor, which is not plenty in core power shatter.

And those changes make chrono somewhat in line with core mesmer.

So technically, chrono may join the small club of “balanced elite specs”, which I could be very happy about…

…that is if all other elite specs had received a similar treatment. Which they did not.

In summary, the changes to chrono were good… and because of that may make mesmer/chrono unviable in PvP.

Mixed feelings…

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Posted by: AtomsOrSystems.9420

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For what it’s worth, the chaos armor nerf is a pretty big pain in the kitten for condi mesmer. If anyone is still running condi mesmer at this point, when it keeps getting pounded into the ground with every change.

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Posted by: Carighan.6758

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…that is if all other elite specs had received a similar treatment. Which they did not.

Even then, I still don’t think that “balanced by being weak” is a good design concept.

“Balanced by only being overpowered in one highly specific case” works better because it feels better to play. You got your unique blaze of glory that way.

But alas, unlikely to ever get there. Among other things it’d more or less make any form of smallscale balance impossible for the same reason it is already impossible (because these differences exist, they’re just being actively removed instead of used as the focal points of balancing). If one were to embrace difference as the core balance mechanic, then that’d be as official as it gets that smallscale balance isn’t a design goal.

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Posted by: Jace al Thor.6745

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For what it’s worth, the chaos armor nerf is a pretty big pain in the kitten for condi mesmer. If anyone is still running condi mesmer at this point, when it keeps getting pounded into the ground with every change.

I don’t run condi or bunker but S/S St zerker shatter and I’ll miss blind on Chaos. Main source of survivability along with proctection that I have to work to keep up

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Posted by: Mikkel.8427

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I can’t wait for patch day, when we’ll all discover they also lowered the duration of chaos armor from staff 4 to ‘normalize’ it with ‘other aura producing skills’ aka- Ele auras.

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Posted by: Jace al Thor.6745

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Please don’t talk like that O.0

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Posted by: Silverkey.2078

Silverkey.2078

…that is if all other elite specs had received a similar treatment. Which they did not.

Even then, I still don’t think that “balanced by being weak” is a good design concept.

“Balanced by only being overpowered in one highly specific case” works better because it feels better to play. You got your unique blaze of glory that way.

But alas, unlikely to ever get there. Among other things it’d more or less make any form of smallscale balance impossible for the same reason it is already impossible (because these differences exist, they’re just being actively removed instead of used as the focal points of balancing). If one were to embrace difference as the core balance mechanic, then that’d be as official as it gets that smallscale balance isn’t a design goal.

I could not disagree more. Pre-HoT classes were not weak. They did their job.

Post-HoT games are not fun. You can be stun locked for 10s or more without much effort, you can be condi bombed and chilled to death, you see classes just never dying, even those running glassy amulets, etc….

Also, they added elite specs to increase the flexibility of all professions, giving them more build variations, but it fails since now you HAVE to play the elite spec to be competitive.

Before HoT, I could play condi, power shatter, power interrupt, even bunker (yes!) and I felt I was adding something to my team. Now I feel I am a liability if I don’t play bunker.

I am not the kind of person nostalgic of “old times when everything was just so much better”. But here, it is the case. I know people complained about it, but I enjoyed post-23rd june meta. I don’t enjoy this one. I like that bunker chrono exists, I like playing chronomancer in general. But I am glad for the nerfs we got, (except chaos armor for which I still don’t understand the motivation) and just sad that most other professions did not follow and that I may have trouble being competitive with my mesmer next week.

But since I enjoy mesmer (and am pretty bad with every other professions), I will just play my mesmer and find a build that works for me.

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Posted by: Levetty.1279

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The removal of defensive amulets, the crazy buffs to Necro, the uneeded buffs to theif and precog stopping point capture was enough to drive most bunkers out of the game including Mesmer.

Completly gutting Chrono was just Anet being petty and revealing how little they think of their players.

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Posted by: AtomsOrSystems.9420

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I can’t wait for patch day, when we’ll all discover they also lowered the duration of chaos armor from staff 4 to ‘normalize’ it with ‘other aura producing skills’ aka- Ele auras.

Oh God, this is going to happen, isn’kitten This is probably going to happen. XD

EDIT: So… “isn’t it” becomes “isn’kitten.” Good to know.

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