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Posted by: Aizen Yasha.7508

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Hi

Recently i leveled my mesmer (whitout hero point for chrono yet) and i have to say that i like so much this character, but i think its a bit difficult in pve because he has a very low damage and this make me feel useless when i am doing solo.

I’m right or its only i didn’t have the chrono spec?

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Posted by: Cyninja.2954

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Mesmer shines in group support and utility. It’s the lowest of all damage specs and due to the nature of phantasms one of the more difficult builds to play in solo pve.

That being said, condition builds with trailblazer or a combination of condition damage with toughness is nearly unkillable in most pve maps. Still many other classes would outperform a mesmer with this kind of gear.

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Posted by: Hot Boy.7138

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I think mesmer is the best solo class. Will take you longer to kill things, but I had no issue soloing every hero point in HoT using a berserker build with Sword/sword and sword/shield. lots of survivablility and clones to distract mobs. Big events with lots of mobs to attack will suck. But aside from that, mesmer is the most fun class in the game imo.

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Posted by: Fay.2357

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I think mesmer is the best solo class.

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Posted by: draxynnic.3719

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I think I see where Hot Boy is coming from – a lot of champions, particularly if they don’t have adds and/or area effect damage, can be soloed by a mesmer purely because it’s reasonably simple to get them aggroed on illusions and to replace them as they get destroyed. You also have access to stealth, which can help for some channel points. So in terms of running around open world doing map completion and soloing the odd champion along the way, they are one of the better choices in the game.

Doesn’t mean anything in high-end group content, but there it is.

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Posted by: Cyninja.2954

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I think mesmer is the best solo class. Will take you longer to kill things, but I had no issue soloing every hero point in HoT using a berserker build with Sword/sword and sword/shield. lots of survivablility and clones to distract mobs. Big events with lots of mobs to attack will suck. But aside from that, mesmer is the most fun class in the game imo.

Yes except that any necromancer or ranger will do the same in 1/3 of the time while prssing 1 or 2 buttons.

Honestly, mesmer is my main and I love the class but let’s keep things in perspective. The class is no where near what some other classes can do. It’s a jack-of-all kind of thing.

That being said, if you enjoy the class go for it. Me, I have enough full ascended other classes I switch to when I don’t feel like wasting 30 minutes on stuff other classes get done in 10.

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Posted by: Dadnir.5038

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Just for the gameplay, the mesmer is worth it. For the same fight, the mesmer will almost always bring you double the enjoyment than you would get from any other profession.

Solo, this is the most satisfying profession of the game. In party, sadly, you are restrained to support due to the lack of DPS of the profession against big health pool bosses. Fortunately, the mesmer is one of the most gifted profession when it come to support.

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Posted by: Ithilwen.1529

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Mesmer is an awesome main, if you like Mesmer. If you’re looking for mechanical advantages you’re far better off with something else.

If you’re willing to live with being on the low end and a frequent nerf target, for the love of the class, welcome aboard.

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Posted by: Deaeira.2651

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I main Mesmer since I started playing GW2 and still love it for its mobility and interesting gameplay. My main focus is WvW, but apart from Raids, I’ve done everything else and didn’t have any severe problems. So, if you like playing Mesmer, just go for it.

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Posted by: serialkicker.5274

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I think mesmer is the best solo class. Will take you longer to kill things, but I had no issue soloing every hero point in HoT using a berserker build with Sword/sword and sword/shield. lots of survivablility and clones to distract mobs. Big events with lots of mobs to attack will suck. But aside from that, mesmer is the most fun class in the game imo.

Yes except that any necromancer or ranger will do the same in 1/3 of the time while prssing 1 or 2 buttons.

Honestly, mesmer is my main and I love the class but let’s keep things in perspective. The class is no where near what some other classes can do. It’s a jack-of-all kind of thing.

That being said, if you enjoy the class go for it. Me, I have enough full ascended other classes I switch to when I don’t feel like wasting 30 minutes on stuff other classes get done in 10.

Decision on which class to main depends on many factors, not just which is the most efficient class in fast killing. Besides Hot boy ackowledged the fact that it might take longer to killl some stuff. I imagine OP is asking experienced mesmers how the class feels overall for different aspect of the game.
I’d say I haven’t encountered a single aspect of the game where I wouldn’t enjoy playing mesmer or that I would feel like I’m useless.
If you enjoy the class, then it’s definetly worth to be your main.

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Posted by: Cyninja.2954

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I think mesmer is the best solo class. Will take you longer to kill things, but I had no issue soloing every hero point in HoT using a berserker build with Sword/sword and sword/shield. lots of survivablility and clones to distract mobs. Big events with lots of mobs to attack will suck. But aside from that, mesmer is the most fun class in the game imo.

Yes except that any necromancer or ranger will do the same in 1/3 of the time while prssing 1 or 2 buttons.

Honestly, mesmer is my main and I love the class but let’s keep things in perspective. The class is no where near what some other classes can do. It’s a jack-of-all kind of thing.

That being said, if you enjoy the class go for it. Me, I have enough full ascended other classes I switch to when I don’t feel like wasting 30 minutes on stuff other classes get done in 10.

Decision on which class to main depends on many factors, not just which is the most efficient class in fast killing. Besides Hot boy ackowledged the fact that it might take longer to killl some stuff. I imagine OP is asking experienced mesmers how the class feels overall for different aspect of the game.
I’d say I haven’t encountered a single aspect of the game where I wouldn’t enjoy playing mesmer or that I would feel like I’m useless.
If you enjoy the class, then it’s definetly worth to be your main.

True and I did state that mesmer is my main too.

I was answering TCs direct question about mesmers low damage and pointed out that mesmer was not a weak class damage wise, it’s the weakest out of all classes.

I think it’s quite important to point this out to new players since the difference between maining a mesmer and just about any other class in this game especially when it’s your first character can be a vastly different experience.

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Posted by: literalirony.7591

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Mesmer doesn’t feel very weak to me in open world. Running a berserker chronomancer GS/ SW+SH things seem to die quickly, and I am 99% immune to all damage for almost zero effort. I played through HoT story quest with a minion-necromancer and it didn’t feel particularly better to me.

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Posted by: Cyninja.2954

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Mesmer doesn’t feel very weak to me in open world. Running a berserker chronomancer GS/ SW+SH things seem to die quickly, and I am 99% immune to all damage for almost zero effort. I played through HoT story quest with a minion-necromancer and it didn’t feel particularly better to me.

Subjective feeling vs actual data: http://qtfy.eu/benchmarks/

Mesmer is due to its mechanical limitations by far the last class dps wise.

Now some might argue, well those are endgame maximised benchmarks on 1 target. To which I would respond:“Yes they are, now please tell mich which other class in this game loses as much dps as mesmer when switching targets?”

Answer: none.

Meaning the class is off far worse when switching targets or fighting multiple low life opponents than even the benchmark shows.

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Posted by: Hlord.5940

Hlord.5940

That is quite a large margin there, a big jump from 13k and 20k

ty for the data, now i am convinced to change my gear to condi

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Posted by: Malice.8439

Malice.8439

I mean, my perspectice has always been that we’re only worth playing as a main.

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Posted by: Dadnir.5038

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Mesmer doesn’t feel very weak to me in open world. Running a berserker chronomancer GS/ SW+SH things seem to die quickly, and I am 99% immune to all damage for almost zero effort. I played through HoT story quest with a minion-necromancer and it didn’t feel particularly better to me.

Subjective feeling vs actual data: http://qtfy.eu/benchmarks/

Mesmer is due to its mechanical limitations by far the last class dps wise.

Now some might argue, well those are endgame maximised benchmarks on 1 target. To which I would respond:“Yes they are, now please tell mich which other class in this game loses as much dps as mesmer when switching targets?”

Answer: none.

Meaning the class is off far worse when switching targets or fighting multiple low life opponents than even the benchmark shows.

While I won’t say that mesmer direct damage are sky high, you quote a player that specifically say “open world” and show the qT benchmark which have absolutely no direct dps build (exept condi) for the mesmer.

It’s sure that the damage won’t be impressive if half your traits and utilities are for support. This benchmark is subjective and not objective, it suppose that you will support or tank not that you will be taken as a DD. And this is totally understandable since this guild’s target is the optimum group comp.

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Posted by: Cyninja.2954

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Mesmer doesn’t feel very weak to me in open world. Running a berserker chronomancer GS/ SW+SH things seem to die quickly, and I am 99% immune to all damage for almost zero effort. I played through HoT story quest with a minion-necromancer and it didn’t feel particularly better to me.

Subjective feeling vs actual data: http://qtfy.eu/benchmarks/

Mesmer is due to its mechanical limitations by far the last class dps wise.

Now some might argue, well those are endgame maximised benchmarks on 1 target. To which I would respond:“Yes they are, now please tell mich which other class in this game loses as much dps as mesmer when switching targets?”

Answer: none.

Meaning the class is off far worse when switching targets or fighting multiple low life opponents than even the benchmark shows.

While I won’t say that mesmer direct damage are sky high, you quote a player that specifically say “open world” and show the qT benchmark which have absolutely no direct dps build (exept condi) for the mesmer.

It’s sure that the damage won’t be impressive if half your traits and utilities are for support. This benchmark is subjective and not objective, it suppose that you will support or tank not that you will be taken as a DD. And this is totally understandable since this guild’s target is the optimum group comp.

You do understand though that IF there were a decent direct damage build it would be listed as well though right?

The condition damage build of mesmer beats even full direct damage builds and barely makes 25k. That’s on a permanent target where loss of phantasms and clones is greatly reduced since they have their full rotation and usefullness. It’s competing with suboptimal and basically goof builds of other classes.

TC was asking about using mesmer as a main which for me means all game modes, not only open world.

I have clearly stated that I myself main mesmer. I will still go out of my way to warn new players simply because mesmer is the last of all classes in any type of sustained damage which can greatly alter the game experience. The fact that some others have refered to mesmer damage being good is plain wrong.

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Posted by: serialkicker.5274

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Mesmer doesn’t feel very weak to me in open world. Running a berserker chronomancer GS/ SW+SH things seem to die quickly, and I am 99% immune to all damage for almost zero effort. I played through HoT story quest with a minion-necromancer and it didn’t feel particularly better to me.

Subjective feeling vs actual data: http://qtfy.eu/benchmarks/

Mesmer is due to its mechanical limitations by far the last class dps wise.

Now some might argue, well those are endgame maximised benchmarks on 1 target. To which I would respond:“Yes they are, now please tell mich which other class in this game loses as much dps as mesmer when switching targets?”

Answer: none.

Meaning the class is off far worse when switching targets or fighting multiple low life opponents than even the benchmark shows.

While I won’t say that mesmer direct damage are sky high, you quote a player that specifically say “open world” and show the qT benchmark which have absolutely no direct dps build (exept condi) for the mesmer.

It’s sure that the damage won’t be impressive if half your traits and utilities are for support. This benchmark is subjective and not objective, it suppose that you will support or tank not that you will be taken as a DD. And this is totally understandable since this guild’s target is the optimum group comp.

You do understand though that IF there were a decent direct damage build it would be listed as well though right?

The condition damage build of mesmer beats even full direct damage builds and barely makes 25k. That’s on a permanent target where loss of phantasms and clones is greatly reduced since they have their full rotation and usefullness. It’s competing with suboptimal and basically goof builds of other classes.

TC was asking about using mesmer as a main which for me means all game modes, not only open world.

I have clearly stated that I myself main mesmer. I will still go out of my way to warn new players simply because mesmer is the last of all classes in any type of sustained damage which can greatly alter the game experience. The fact that some others have refered to mesmer damage being good is plain wrong.

That benchmark simply doesn’t apply for majority of content in the game. If it would, I would surely not play mesmer at all. Now, reality is, I can kill anything up to including veteran mobs in few seconds (even a whole group), which is very good for open world, not to mention mesmer has a lot of survavibility and mobility which is extremely good for every mode. The only time you will see mesmer drop super low on damage is you fight tougher mobs like champs and bosses. For that however, you will be mostly in a group, so it doesn’t matter that much, since you can turn into supporting role if you don’t like your damage numbers. Same for dungeons.
Not to mention majority of players don’t even hit the numbers that are in those benchmarks, no matter what class they play. Why? Because not everyone cares, because in open world you don’t have to and because those numbers are only achievable in certain situations and under certain circumstances, in which majority of players rarely get to or some even never.
That’s not saying that I don’t see our lack of power as concern. I do and I wish next elite spec will fix that, but it is not as kittenome are trying to say.

as b*d as is censored? you kittening kidding me or what?

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Posted by: Dadnir.5038

Dadnir.5038

You probably forgot the “i” and it became “b*d*ss”

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Posted by: Fay.2357

Fay.2357

You probably forgot the “i” and it became “b*d*ss”

He was trying to say “as b*d *s some are trying to say.”

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Posted by: serialkicker.5274

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You probably forgot the “i” and it became “b*d*ss”

He was trying to say “as b*d *s some are trying to say.”

Correct.

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Posted by: draxynnic.3719

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Now some might argue, well those are endgame maximised benchmarks on 1 target. To which I would respond:“Yes they are, now please tell mich which other class in this game loses as much dps as mesmer when switching targets?”

This… isn’t really the full story, though. Mesmers can burst fairly effectively, and in some areas, bursting a target and moving onto the next can be just as efficient as what other professions can do and more efficient than some more ramp-oriented builds. The benchmarks also assume that the target stays within persistent area of effect zones, which is usually a fair assumption for raid bosses but isn’t always in other content.

If you’re going up against pocket raptors or other swarmy enemies that don’t even have the health to justify a burst, though, that’s really painful.

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Posted by: Starkman.7654

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In all of the discussion so far, I’d like to ask if the mesmer can serve as a good healer in the support capacity?

I’m a brand new player to GW2, and enjoy healing and support more than DPSing. I do, however, enjoy soloing, and want the DPS for that (or at least some means of equivalency to DPS), but overall I prefer to support.

Oh, and I’m not into PvP in any way.

Thanks much.

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Posted by: Cyninja.2954

Cyninja.2954

In all of the discussion so far, I’d like to ask if the mesmer can serve as a good healer in the support capacity?

Healer? No.

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Posted by: Starkman.7654

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Great. Thanks much, Cyninja

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Posted by: Levetty.1279

Levetty.1279

If the condi DPS builds damage is so low under optimal conditions its a good indicator that mesmer damage is going to be trash in the unoptimal conditions of Open world, especially when you consider that the optimal conditions of Mesmer is so much more narrow then other classes.

You can talk about bursting mobs down all you want but you are ignoring just how much faster other classes are doing it, with skills that are on shorter cooldown. Hell some classes can get close to our burst just by auto attacking.