Guild Wars 2

This faceroll and overpowered spec will not get nerfed anytime soon right ? Mesmer hiding in stealth 80% of the time with protection and regen while your enemy has perma weakness/cripple which kills any power user.

There’s a reason why PU is banned from dueling servers. PU noobs are instantly kicked upon join. Seriously I dont know what the devs are wating to nerf this fail and OP 1v1 build.

And dont tell me to l2p, the people who use PU should learn to play a real build.

PU in pvp is a joke i usually kill 70% of the pu mesmers i face unless its a phanta zerker one. PU is not a big deal it has its down sides too. your damage is only average if the enemy is dumb enough to keep hacking at the clones. no mobility. only upside is good DOT, its very forgiving and its very defensive. I dont recall wvw groups or pvp or pve groups lf a PU mesmer. its usually a glamor mes boon ripper or just a utility mes. oh the re targeting is a drag tho. jst carry a good amt of condi remove and ur fine

Yeah man, those dueling servers are the best… banning all those OP PU mes and like, being a real game mode which the game is balanced for and everything…

Oh wait, what I meant to say was go kitten your kitten with your kitten in the kitten kitten.

Bye.

“git gud” or die trying
or
anet could actually fix some of the the broken skills and give us an actual useful MINOR and MAJOR grandmaster traits so we could use so we can

I find myself agreeing with the op 100%
I have been waiting for a pu nerf for a while now and find myself hoping that at the very least they put internal cooldowns on some of the buffs.
At least then hopefully when I see a fellow mesmer I won’t cringe. This one trait is starting to make me dislike my absolute favourite class.
Sometimes I wonder if some of our bugs like the ileap and what not would have been fixed if pu was nerfed, you know something that often leads to a loss in exchange for something that often leads to a win.
NERF PU SO I CAN LOOSE MY BUGS insert paranoid semi obsessive rambling here

theres a reason why they arent nerfing PU…. its really not as good as everyone hypes it up to be. if you run pu in wvw then it will take you years to cross the map lol as said before not great dmg and bad in pvp a pu mesmer is jst like a mosquito buzzing in your ear really

Dei Veien.2456:

I find myself agreeing with the op 100%
I have been waiting for a pu nerf for a while now and find myself hoping that at the very least they put internal cooldowns on some of the buffs.
At least then hopefully when I see a fellow mesmer I won’t cringe. This one trait is starting to make me dislike my absolute favourite class.
Sometimes I wonder if some of our bugs like the ileap and what not would have been fixed if pu was nerfed, you know something that often leads to a loss in exchange for something that often leads to a win.
NERF PU SO I CAN LOOSE MY BUGS insert paranoid semi obsessive rambling here

Haha, you actually think anet would fix mesmer bugs if they nerfed PU? How naive.

I’ve been playing PU Mesmer. I admit I suck at Mesmer generally but if you think PU is overpowered than you are simply not a skilled player. I’m guessing #1 mashing warrior.

Tell me about it, Pyro. Lemme use my Mesmervision™

• Nerfed Glamourbombing … we’re still bugged.
• Nerfed Shattered Strength, almost immediately after buffing it … we’re still bugged.
• Nerfed a very interesting variant of Power Block … and … you know it, we’re still bugged.

The only thing that’d happen if PU eats a nerf is … OMG! We’ll still be kittening bugged in our collective kittening kittens.

Oh I am not that naive, I know full well it wouldn’t happen. It is just something I keep telling myself will happen in my ideal fantasy mesmery world. PU nerf – bug fix leads to my little asura mesmer skipping down the road singing walking on sunshine. Meanwhile guildies are cringing and blocking me over ts.

As for PU not being op …. what. It grants Aegis, Protection and Regen, on a near constant up time. In a 1v1 situation that is pretty much the equivalent of the usefulness of a guard in a raid. On top of that you get to do average if not above average damage via phantasms even while sitting in the safety of stealth, no other class has access to this sort of thing.
Okay some of the new traits grant access to the roll of protection aegis and regen but you won’t get that while having pretty purpley AI’s pew pewing at the enemy.

Wow. The op is seriously complaining? A lot of his posts do.

PU is OP? In a running race? In a DPS race? Heck, even in a stealth race? I don’t think so.

Interestingly enough, it’s funny how a single grandmaster providing reliable protection is holding up an entire class right now. At the same time, in all other areas, its nerf nerf nerf. Oh, except mantras, but come on…

I still play pu mes every now and then, its still pretty boring though. I know other posters have played it to higher ranking on the solo leader board as well.
When I face a pu mes, which is actually pretty rare, it depends a lot on what im playing.
If its single target with no cleave and good cleanse/regen then np (although it will take a while). If its a toon with weapons that cleave then its far more of a problem even impossible if I dont have a ranged weapon.
A lot of this game is rock/paper/scissors given equal skill, which is lame imo.
I will say this: Fighting a PU mes feels more tactical than any of their other builds; shatter/phantasm (havent played vs interrupt yet) is a question of killing mes as quick as possible before you get bursted down while PU requires more planning/ caution

@Ross.

Exactly.

Nerf Glamour
Nerf Confusion
Nerf PU
Nerf Power Block (“Fixed”)

I will admit that PU is pretty ridiculous and will eventually be brought down a peg or two, but not until more pressing issues on other classes are addressed.

But did you really need to create another “PU OP” thread? I mean we all know about it and I’m sure Anet are aware of its potency. Just rage in guild chat instead like everyone else. Internalise that hatred and share it with your guildies!

where pu rly shines is in group fights(imean condi pu), u try to get a non mesmer and a clone gets in ur way, u get all the condis from the clone death

its especially annoying as an ele

but i do agree, pu SHALL NOT be nerfed b4 we get bug fixes

Lol, this is some classic atse. A++ keep it up, keep complaining about how everything is OP.

OP plays thief. And wanna complain about stealth. And dueling, when the game is clearly not balanced around dueling. That’s hilarious.

@Maxinion

Amen to that

yeah ats raged about everything so far..especially mesmers. its either that we can afk while our phantasms kill everything and now it pu. seriously atse l2p, change your class,change your build, get a razor mouse, drink coffe before pvp so u have reflexes…and take a relaxing bath once in a while. and im sure mes doesnt seem so terrible anymore.
oh there is always pve u know…

lmperdigao.2567:

OP plays thief. And wanna complain about stealth. And dueling, when the game is clearly not balanced around dueling. That’s hilarious.

That’s the part I never get. It’s not just that the game never supports duelling, both sPvP and WvW’s mechanics and the whole combat system specifically discourage duelling.

Ithilwen.1529:

I’ve been playing PU Mesmer. I admit I suck at Mesmer generally but if you think PU is overpowered than you are simply not a skilled player. I’m guessing #1 mashing warrior.

I played shatter mesmer versus a guildie, got dumpstered like five times in a row, switched to PU for the first time in my life and then threw him in the trash can like four times immediately after doing so.

I’m not sure what to take from that.

hendo.1940:

Ithilwen.1529:

I’ve been playing PU Mesmer. I admit I suck at Mesmer generally but if you think PU is overpowered than you are simply not a skilled player. I’m guessing #1 mashing warrior.

I played shatter mesmer versus a guildie, got dumpstered like five times in a row, switched to PU for the first time in my life and then threw him in the trash can like four times immediately after doing so.

I’m not sure what to take from that.

shatter sucks

a t s e.9614:

This faceroll and overpowered spec will not get nerfed anytime soon right ? Mesmer hiding in stealth 80% of the time with protection and regen while your enemy has perma weakness/cripple which kills any power user.

There’s a reason why PU is banned from dueling servers. PU noobs are instantly kicked upon join. Seriously I dont know what the devs are wating to nerf this fail and OP 1v1 build.

And dont tell me to l2p, the people who use PU should learn to play a real build.

badtrollisbad

hendo.1940:

Ithilwen.1529:

I’ve been playing PU Mesmer. I admit I suck at Mesmer generally but if you think PU is overpowered than you are simply not a skilled player. I’m guessing #1 mashing warrior.

I played shatter mesmer versus a guildie, got dumpstered like five times in a row, switched to PU for the first time in my life and then threw him in the trash can like four times immediately after doing so.

I’m not sure what to take from that.

What you can take from it is that PU builds generally have a much lower skill floor than shatter builds. This is certain. However, don’t confuse this with skill cap. It is possible to excel in a distinguished way just the same with a PU build as with a shatter, it just shows in a different manner. When you can negotiate a 1v6 effectively without dying, frustrate everyone you’re fighting, and get a couple kills out of it, you can say that you’re skilled with PU.

Also, shatter is not optimal for dueling. Pu or phantasm builds are. Shatter builds are designed with team support in mind. You aren’t the first one to engage and be targeted, you’re the one that waits for people to be distracted, and then you unleash massive aoe burst to decide a fight. I’m personally not great at this. I sorta like to jump into fights and skirmish, that’s my style, but that’s just not how shatter is meant to be played.

“Ohhh that nasty PU need nerf. I can’t see where this nasty slowpoke is! "
“Phantasms are op, nerf them. Stupid AI that kills me. Noobish kitten that rely on AI!” (Tears all around)
“What is this? He shattered clones in my glass cannon face and I died? OMGGGGG OP OP nerf the Shatter mesmer”

To sum it up: “I cant pres 1/spam X skill/roll over keyboard and kill mesmer! Delete that annoying kitten”

L2P or if you cant, wait for someone who knows basics of his class to help you kill “that kittening godmode mesmer”.

So many mesmers defending PU. This is also sad, I play thief/engi/warr and I don’t defend fail builds like hambow, pistol whip and decap.

YEAH! STUPID PU OVERPOWERED TRASH YEAH! NERF SPEC PLZ!!!!!!! Fk me I hate mesmah so much. Wish der was a counta 2 PU Specz, I wish I cood lyke run away and not take damagiz or something wtf wow. Anet why u no balance for 1v1s? How do I win my 1v1 lobby against PU trash so stupid invis nerf, please nerf blinks, wtf how do I see clones from real one? omg.

See how stupid this looks? Stop crying for nerfs for things that can be avoided by simply running away. Stop crying cause some classes are OP 1v1. Stop coming on here demanding nerfs to an already under powered class. GG no re.

Last night I encoundered countless hambow wars, PU mes, and PW thieves and guess what, most were so lame and predictable skill spammers and couldnt do a kitten.

No need to ask for nerf every time when you stumble on good player who knows what he can do with his class/build because he will give you trouble no mather what build he uses. You need to improve yourself and learn how to deal with different situations and even more important, you need to know where is your build good and where are the weak spots cuz be sure that every build have its weak spots.

And yes, Im no pro or smt like that but I never asked for nerf if I couldnt kill someone cuz thats my fault mostly. So many ppl complain cuz they got killed by big bad mesmer and dont even know how the class is functioning. Thats my reason to defend mesmer in general, not just PU (I agree that Pu is strong and hard to counter but like I said in other thread its not godmode like some ppl claim).

I’m not surprised people want PU nerfed, its basically giving a thief build to a non thief class. People don’t like it when their own ‘OPness’ is thrown back in their face.

Things that need to happen before PU gets an unneeded nerf.
1) Nerf the thief perma stealth and perma dodge equivalents because its only fair.
2) Fix mesmer bugs and buff up a lot of the crappy traits we have
3) Make other builds viable
4) Give us OoC maneuverability

What will happen before PU gets an unneeded nerf.
1) Deceptive Evasion will finally get ruined
2) iBerserker will get bugged again
3) iWarden will start reflecting our own projectiles back at us
4) Shatter damage will be reduced

It’s sad that you keep complaining like a little kid over the forum just because you dont want learn how to fight a build. Pu build relies on stealth skills which we have on long cooldown(decoy 40,veil 90, prestige 30, mass stealth 90) and speccing in pu means losing a lot of dps so you just need to avoid some obvious phantasm attack, play aggressive and dont kill clones. Anyway mesmer dont have any other ways to get “some” boons aside from pu, so you should just stop with this rant seriously.Oh right conditions usually are a problems for most of pu mesmer.
Note:i dont need to use pu.

@a t s e – Funny how (post-Quickness nerf) PW is suddenly “OP.” Hell, I also run a Thief, and I remember frigging months where S/P was considered absolute garbage for anything but PvE.
Go figure, and I’ve run P/P and S/P since around then. Hambow’s been nerfed almost as much as Mesmers, and honestly was always less of a kitten problem than the HS/AH
combination.

@Levetty – Ironic how PU is a “thief build on a non-thief,” when ingame lore directly refers to both Mesmers and Thieves as favored of the Human goddess Lyssa. Seems logical that both then excel in mindscrew and absolute chaos, neh?
Although, your nerf list is most likely 100% true. One expects a nerf-cycle, but the sheer amount of crap nerfed or broken on Mesmers convinces me that the current “balance” Devs are not the same ones what created the class. Else, they’d be a lot less hamfisted.

a t s e.9614:

So many mesmers defending PU. This is also sad, I play thief/engi/warr and I don’t defend fail builds like hambow, pistol whip and decap.

It’s sad how you try to shove your own deaths ingame onto class balance.
Have you by chance followed the tournament of legends?

I don’t play PU (altough I often have torch, decoy and mass invisibility for roaming), but I know many PvP/WvW mesmers do, probably because it’s the best balance between defense and offense.

I don’t like it, I find it extremely cheesy, but I don’t think it should be nerfed: I would prefer to have more viable builds so people can start playing those alongside PU/Power.

The last patch has been really disappointing from this point of view:

• Focus still broken
• no fix for Illusionary Elasticity
• Power Block nerfed after a few hours from his appearance in game
• Triumphant Distortion with ICD
• Maim the Disillusioned underwhelming
• Disruptor Sustainment and Bountiful Disillusionment just plain bad

How can we start adopting different builds if the rest of our traits is a mess and half of our traits and skills are bugged? And shall we start talking about how bad are things like Scepter autoattack or torch phantasm? Or about how we don’t have any option for large scale fights (aside for dropping our veil and get out of the way)?

The problem is not PU, the problem is that there’s not much else to work with.

how does one watch these tournaments lol ive been looking for them

PU has some serious weaknesses though if you know how to fight against them. I played a S/Torch + GS hybrid of the PU build and would crumble against intelligent condition players.

On my S/S + LB condition warrior, PU mesmers are easy to kill due to their lack of mobility and inability to avoid the massive amounts of conditions.

Every build, every class has it’s counter though at the end of the day, it’s the skill of the player that matters the most.

To be honest, I think the new traits are only marginally off the mark. Their concept is all-around solid, and they set interesting examples what all traits should be like (for example, Bountiful Disillusionment rewards diversification in shatters).

Carighan.6758:

To be honest, I think the new traits are only marginally off the mark. Their concept is all-around solid, and they set interesting examples what all traits should be like (for example, Bountiful Disillusionment rewards diversification in shatters).

I challenge you to say that the concept behind disrupters sustainment is solid without laughing.

Pyroathiest.4168:

Carighan.6758:

To be honest, I think the new traits are only marginally off the mark. Their concept is all-around solid, and they set interesting examples what all traits should be like (for example, Bountiful Disillusionment rewards diversification in shatters).

I challenge you to say that the concept behind disrupters sustainment is solid without laughing.

Disruptor sustain would be good if duration and amt was increased i use a interupt build that has perma regen and then i use ether sig so the healing would be amazing. As is now? Bad only increases my healing by like 300 or so per sec. Ideas are good jst a little short of on par tho. Currently i use furious interuption on my condi build -_- reason being i dont like CI and PU doesnt fit my build and neither does distortion on kill

I rather see gain x amt of health on interupt than gain healing power

That’s what I would say. Or rather, I would do this:

Disruptor’s Sustainment
When you or partymembers within 600 units of you interrupt a target, you regenerate health for 5 seconds, modified by your healing power.

Numbers up for balancing ofc. Slightly more group utility, and most importantly more healing group utility than just the phantasm auras.

Same idea btw, slight boost to healing for the Mesmer and friendlies. Just based on direct healing, not +compassion.
That being said, if HP-scaling for ~everything is being looked at, skip this idea and just make us able to stack it and I’m happy.

FinalPatriot.8034:

PU has some serious weaknesses though if you know how to fight against them. I played a S/Torch + GS hybrid of the PU build and would crumble against intelligent condition players.

On my S/S + LB condition warrior, PU mesmers are easy to kill due to their lack of mobility and inability to avoid the massive amounts of conditions.

Every build, every class has it’s counter though at the end of the day, it’s the skill of the player that matters the most.

Condi warr takes no skill at all to play either. It is the easiest after spirit and MM. I won’t use a crappy condi build just to kill a PUmes. If you think u have skill playing a condi warr with 0 risk u are wrong kid.

a t s e.9614:

FinalPatriot.8034:

PU has some serious weaknesses though if you know how to fight against them. I played a S/Torch + GS hybrid of the PU build and would crumble against intelligent condition players.

On my S/S + LB condition warrior, PU mesmers are easy to kill due to their lack of mobility and inability to avoid the massive amounts of conditions.

Every build, every class has it’s counter though at the end of the day, it’s the skill of the player that matters the most.

Condi warr takes no skill at all to play either. It is the easiest after spirit and MM. I won’t use a crappy condi build just to kill a PUmes. If you think u have skill playing a condi warr with 0 risk u are wrong kid.

Ah, so you don’t know how to fight condie warriors and lose to them too. Glad we got that straightened out.

a t s e.9614:

Condi warr takes no skill at all to play either. It is the easiest after spirit and MM. I won’t use a crappy condi build just to kill a PUmes. If you think u have skill playing a condi warr with 0 risk u are wrong kid.

Oooh he used the k-word. It’s on now!

a t s e.9614:

So many mesmers defending PU. This is also sad, I play thief/engi/warr and I don’t defend fail builds like hambow, pistol whip and decap.

Can someone repeat to this troll kid, that all these “fail builds” are OP in sPvP except PU build, which is useless in current capture-orientized-pvp-system ?

We’re not in stealth 80% of the time, we have 12 seconds of stealth in total, including elite, that is not that much, it’s a lot of long CDs you need to waste in order to stay in stealth for that long.

What we do is called kiting and line of sighting and actually confusing you with our clones for you to loose track of our positioning. (Yes, it’s possible to do that, it’s not always that easy telling who the real mesmer is)

If you ignore us, we won’t do anything to you. You need to attack us, kill our clones for our damage to actually begin applying. We have terrible mobility and 0 CC skills.

You don’t know how to fight PU mesmers, that doesn’t mean it’s an OP build! You got that mixed up! What it really is is a L2P issue. I agree that PU is easy to pick up, but not everyone can play it well. Same like a warrior for an example. A well played warrior is hard to kill and it takes a lot of skill, but any newb can pick up a warrior and win fights.

Another thing:
You whine about PU being OP, but you didn’t whine about shatter which could get you downed in a second, about backstab thieves that can stay in stealth forever and have massive burst, enough to in some cases 1 hit kill you (some still ensure the kill using basilisk venom), you don’t whine as much about condition engineers or necros that chain 7 fears on you while doing damage from terror and put a ton of conditions on you. Why? Because you guys know how to fight these specs, and even though it is somewhat challenging, you know you can pull it off.

A kind of between the line thing: every class has a powerful build and builds that are easy to pick up and play, those builds aren’t OP and because they’re easy to play, that doesn’t make them a fail build as someone posted.

Last thought I’ll leave you with:

There is ALWAYS a way to beat every single build you can imagine, even PU.
“Nothing is impossible. The world itself says ’ I’m possible’ "

Have a great day everyone, happy gaming!

~Monns

I don’t use PU in SPvP, TPvP, WvW, or PvE specifically because it’s so gloriously underwhelming and unnecessary.

hmm you have 14 seconds of stealth without veil if you use veil you get 17 seconds of stealth. By then decoy or torch 4 would have came off cool down. As long as you don’t stack stealth and wait out the full duration you are very much like a perma stealth thief. Is PU overpowered? imo yes but only in 1 v 1 and only in the hands of a good player. A perma stealth thief can fight a PU mesmer to draw so can a high regen warrior or a good none glass DD ele.

There are lots of bad PU mesmers out there getting face rolled all the time.

Edit:
I also don’t get all the “I don’t use PU because it’s overpowered” posts. No one is asking you to only take on easy fights. Find 1 v 1 too easy? take on 2, 1v 2 too easy? take on 3, try 1 v 4 1v5 if you are really god like. An overpower ability simply opens up bigger and better challenges it’s foolish not to use it.

Jurica.1742:

You whine about PU being OP, but you didn’t whine about shatter which could get you downed in a second,

Nice comparison lol.

I agree with Mogar and I do see his point, but very few people use Veil. I believe using Veil is dumb. No offense to anyone who does that. It’s on a massive cooldown, that spot is better used for something like Portal Entre or Phantasmal Disenchanter.

The edit gets a massive +1 from me. I don’t want this to sound like I’m an overconfident guy that brags but I do consider myself a skilled player. I almost never look for anything below a 1v2. 1v2 is also so easy I could do it with my eyes closed if I have some place to LOS or kite. I’ve lost plenty of 1v1s though, against skilled players that know how to counter me. One necro managed to kill me in 7 seconds using fear spamming + terror and corrupt boon + signet of spite. He did that multiple times. I battled against a ranger that I lost against, he was extremely tanky and put out a lot of burning and bleeds, did a good job of not killing my clones and avoiding my torment block. I also lost a few 1v1s against Osicat (not counting the ones where I was in a power build). I managed to kill him once while we were both playing PU, I have no clue how though. It was a very long fight though. So yes, it is possible to beat a PU mesmer, and it’s not that hard if you know what you’re doing. Even with a ranger which is known to be one of the worst 1v1 or generally PvP classes (that doesn’t include spamming arrow storm on points from a high ground, but as in actually killing players 1v1). I don’t think rangers are like that tbh, they’re a great class.
If you want to talk to me about anything, duel me or anything at all, feel free to PM me in-game!

Have fun y’all, happy gaming!

~Monns