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Good riddance too, I think its more interesting playing mesmer, instead of playing tag around pillars at the henge on forest of niflhel.

I mean did anyone even have a competent strategy for dealing with someone who simply LOS phantasmed at the henge for multiple minutes at a time?

By “fixed” do you mean “obstructed trying to hit someone standing 2 inches in front of you beating on you with a melee weapon”? Because that’s what is happening now.

@OP: And what would you know about how interesting it is to play mesmer. According to your forum posting you’re a necromancer.

Vendris.4201:

By “fixed” do you mean “obstructed trying to hit someone standing 2 inches in front of you beating on you with a melee weapon”? Because that’s what is happening now.

Congratulations, you now know how it feels to play every other class in the game.

Additionally, I’ve played Mesmer since closed beta and a bit post. Found it a bit too easy for the most part. Go scepter pistol/staff, map f1 – f4 on your razer naga, and your basically golden.

Not saying that mesmer doesn’t take skill to play, but the phantasm spam out of LOS was pretty attrocious in SPVP. I felt like i was playing WOW Tourny again, vs droods.

Now the good Mesmers will shine ever brighter, as the mediocres become even more dull.

What isnt there to like?

RhysSebastian.7651:

Not saying that mesmer doesn’t take skill to play, but the phantasm spam out of LOS was pretty attrocious in SPVP. I felt like i was playing WOW Tourny again, vs droods.

Now the good Mesmers will shine ever brighter, as the mediocres become even more dull.

What isnt there to like?

Perhaps you need to read the forum more. You’re jsut like every other non-mesmer tourist. Thinking that a broken skill that we all agree needed fixing justifies carte blanche breaking every phantasm in the game (Seriously, explain to me why I can’t cast disenchanter to remove a condition from myself if the nearest enemy to be happens to have aegis?)

Perhaps, if you’re going to respond, you could bother to actually find out what people are complaining about.

I, and many other people don’t care that line of sight requirements were added to the Illusionary Beserker.

The iB also received (in the form of a bug) a large damage reduction, which was not intended. The combination of the bug causing most of the first attack chain of the iB to miss + the change so that blindness and being blocked causes the phantasm to fail to spawn and trigger the cooldown + the line of sight bugs making it impossible to determine if you will be obstructed or not makes the skill currently worthless.

Additionally, the line of sight issues with phantasms were not fixed, and the new bug is actually worse than mesmers being able to toss the beserker onto a wall without full line of sight.

The illusionary warden will now, consistently, every time it is cast at a tower or keep door, spawn inside the keep on the other side of the door. This is in fact quite hilarious when I spec my mesmer focus traits to reflect ranged damage – as during a keep siege I can now span iWardens into the keep, where they attack people trying to fix the door – and then ranged attackers kill themselves trying to shoot it.

So this patch introduced a bunch of new bugs, without actually fixing the single problem with the mesmer class it was trying to address.

Your response of “well every other class is broken and buggy also!” is a bizarre stance to take if you’re trying to defend these changes.

RhysSebastian.7651:

Vendris.4201:

By “fixed” do you mean “obstructed trying to hit someone standing 2 inches in front of you beating on you with a melee weapon”? Because that’s what is happening now.

Congratulations, you now know how it feels to play every other class in the game.

Additionally, I’ve played Mesmer since closed beta and a bit post. Found it a bit too easy for the most part. Go scepter pistol/staff, map f1 – f4 on your razer naga, and your basically golden.

Not saying that mesmer doesn’t take skill to play, but the phantasm spam out of LOS was pretty attrocious in SPVP. I felt like i was playing WOW Tourny again, vs droods.

Now the good Mesmers will shine ever brighter, as the mediocres become even more dull.

What isnt there to like?

You do realize I was commenting on the LOS requirement of phantasms right? I mean the subject of the post is: Thank god they fixed LOS. Also the damage reduction is DUE to a bug fix, now ANet is looking on how to increase the damage as it did remove a lot of its utility. I’d find the ANET post for you, but im lazy.

Your gloating “ha ha ha mesmer now you are like everyone else!” response to me was not constructive, and it was not about LoS on keep walls. It was in response to me pointing out that the LoS “fix” has introduced new LoS bugs that cause “obstructed” messages when someone is standing directly in front of you on open flat ground.

RhysSebastian.7651:

You do realize I was commenting on the LOS requirement of phantasms right? I mean the subject of the post is: Thank god they fixed LOS. Also the damage reduction is DUE to a bug fix, now ANet is looking on how to increase the damage as it did remove a lot of its utility. I’d find the ANET post for you, but im lazy.

Additionally, LoS is -not- fixed. As I said above, illusionary wardens now spawn consistently inside of keeps when cast against the door, which is far worse of a problem (or a benefit!) than being able to toss a berserker up onto a wall ledge.

Actually the obstructed bug your referring too happens to most ranged classes. It also allows the new Karka monsters that roll, and the flesh golem to trigger their charge damage on a single character several times. I do hope they solve the clipping issues involved with that, but back to my initial question.

How did you defeat skilled mesmers who abused LOS in the map forest of niflhel, at the henge?

RhysSebastian.7651:

How did you defeat skilled mesmers who abused LOS in the map forest of niflhel, at the henge?

I didn’t. I don’t play sPvP. Neither do most the players. We have PvP/PvE split skills now, if there is a balance problem in PvP then they can fix it in PvP without kicking PvE and WvW in the head

Your question is meaningless to me, because I have never been against adding a line of sight requirement to illusionary beserker. I have in fact stated that I thought it should be fixed.

However instead of simply fixing it, they added a new bug to the beserker (that result in a damage reduction), and they added a new line of sight bug to illusionary warden that’s even worse than the original problem.

If you want to have “fun” and see it in action, grab a few mesmer friends, trait in inspiration and get the focus skills gain reflection trait, all target a keep door, and toss illusionary wardens straight through the door into the keep.

The problem is as funny as this is, it also makes it impossible for me to use another tactic I used to use all the time in WvW – using an illusionary warden just outside the keep door to help protect people using battering rams to attack the door.

To summarize: I have no problem with actually fixing LoS on the beserker. My problem is the patch is a horrible buggy mess.

Vendris.4201:

Your question is meaningless to me, because I have never been against adding a line of sight requirement to illusionary beserker. I have in fact stated that I thought it should be fixed.

However instead of simply fixing it, they added a new bug to the beserker (that result in a damage reduction), and they added a new line of sight bug to illusionary warden that’s even worse than the original problem.

If you want to have “fun” and see it in action, grab a few mesmer friends, trait in inspiration and get the focus skills gain reflection trait, all target a keep door, and toss illusionary wardens straight through the door into the keep.

The problem is as funny as this is, it also makes it impossible for me to use another tactic I used to use all the time in WvW – using an illusionary warden just outside the keep door to help protect people using battering rams to attack the door.

To summarize: I have no problem with actually fixing LoS on the beserker. My problem is the patch is a horrible buggy mess.

The point of the post was the question, your hilarious.

RhysSebastian.7651:

Actually the obstructed bug your referring too happens to most ranged classes. It also allows the new Karka monsters that roll, and the flesh golem to trigger their charge damage on a single character several times. I do hope they solve the clipping issues involved with that, but back to my initial question.

I hope not, this allows me to hit NPCs or players for upwards of 30k with my Spear charge. After they removed everything else remotely usable in WvW to attack someone, and also made Portal unusable for anything but clipping-exploitation (because apparently the 5 players playing sPvP are more important or whatever), there’s something left where players have to think twice about attacking me, my underwater skills.

I need more nerfs! Just earlier I managed to kill an afk Necromancer!

That bug has been around for a while. I really do hope they address it. Really though, they are doing a pretty phenomenal job so far with the game so young.

Your LOS issue isnt a nerf, its what every ranged class in the game has to deal with. Us poor necros had our plague signet hit the same way you did. I mean at first its a little jarring, but it kind of makes sense y’know?

I mean im sure you didnt appreciate necromancers throwing 25 stacks of bleed on you, through a mountain or wall which you could not view em cus they utilized targetting functions.

Please level a Mesmer to lvl 80 in a PvE only environment before you make posts that only display your ignorance of the class and its mechanics. Thank you.

As others have stated, Mesmers’ ability to do ANYTHING is very reliable on our phantasm. Say, for example, that I am facing an opponent that suddenly pops aegis as I used my illusionary disenchanter, this phantasm does little damage to him but removes a condition from myself. Are you saying I shouldn’t have the ability to remove conditions from myself with my condition removal utilities? iBerserker is the most complained about phantasm for Mesmers after the nerf because it was our source of AoE damage. When farming in ore, an elementalist can shower meteors on his foes, necros have AoE marks, we had a phantasm that spun and hit enemies in a certain radius. By your logic, elementalists’ meteor showers should miss their intended targets, and they shouldn’t be able to attack people on the walls of keeps in WvW; they should have to do supply runs like us because we can no longer attack people along the walls with our AoE. At this rate, we might as well lose phantasms and become purple elementalists.

RhysSebastian.7651:

Your LOS issue isnt a nerf, its what every ranged class in the game has to deal with. Us poor necros had our plague signet hit the same way you did. I mean at first its a little jarring, but it kind of makes sense y’know?

And there you go again you’re not listening to a word any of us have said.

Since when does Shadow Refuge fail because there is no LoS between the caster and their nearest opponent. Since when can you not summon a war banner if your nearest opponent executes a dodge roll, a Guardian can use Shield of Absorption even when he is all alone and no enemies are near.

For the 50th time, nobody seriously thinks offensive phantasms should be usable outside of LoS, but mesmer’s have utility phantasms that don’t attack yet these changes effect them too – this is not the definition of fixed.

They fixed one skill, and broke several.

Okay since people are talking about nonsense I did not ask about. Let me rephrase my question:

How did you beat a competent mesmer, at the henge in the Forest of Nifhel (NOT WVW, NOT PVE) prior to the LOS nerf.

I think your utility phantasms should be castable outside of LOS, IF AND ONLY IF they can do no physical damage to an enemy. Otherwise they are just offensive utility bots, ad we revisit the offensive LOS issue.

RhysSebastian.7651:

Okay since people are talking about nonsense I did not ask about. Let me rephrase my question:

How did you beat a competent mesmer, at the henge in the Forest of Nifhel (NOT WVW, NOT PVE) prior to the LOS nerf.

I think your utility phantasms should be castable outside of LOS, IF AND ONLY IF they can do no physical damage to an enemy. Otherwise they are just offensive utility bots, ad we revisit the offensive LOS issue.

And you think this because of your vast experince of playing a mesmer? LEarn a bit about illusions the dmg illusions also have a untility function. Same as alot of abilites in game. Like thief #3 arrow, if my traget blocks/dodges/los/invul my shoot they do not take dmg or snare but I still get my evade and jump back. And this is same with many abilites that also provide a untility. Not so for mesmer thier whole ability is stoped. No range reflect on iWarden, no cond cure from illusions etc.

As a thief class I really feel sorry for mesmers now. What use to be a tuff class to kill is now easier than a ranger to shutdown. Atleast ranger cans till do dmg/abilites even if poor. My thief shuts a mesmer completely down with AE blinds on a stealth and blinds on attacks.

Thanks Moddo for your support of our class despite playing another. We all appreciate it!

RhysSebastian.7651:

Good riddance too, I think its more interesting playing mesmer, instead of playing tag around pillars at the henge on forest of niflhel.

I mean did anyone even have a competent strategy for dealing with someone who simply LOS phantasmed at the henge for multiple minutes at a time?

FIXED?? it’s now become a useless skill the only good aoe mesmer had they took away. try do an event most of the time the skill fails becouse you don’t have a clean los. well was saving mats and so to make an legendary weapon for my mesmer but now I dunno I wanna play this kittened up class anymore… This I a NERVE TOO MUCH

AOE blinds shut a lot of things down lol. They have ways to remove conditions en masse in an area. They just have to clutch control it in combat, just like any other class when they are shut down.

RhysSebastian.7651:

AOE blinds shut a lot of things down lol. They have ways to remove conditions en masse in an area. They just have to clutch control it in combat, just like any other class when they are shut down.

So meteor shower should miss its targets when the caster is blind? Or should the caster simply have that skill say “Obstructed, OBSTRUCTED OBSTRUCTED!” I agree with you, ArenaNet should fix LOS. Make is so no skills can be used on blind that requires the caster or fighter to see its target. You’re a necro, right? You are no longer able to cast marks on the ground when people dodge, have aegis, or you have them blinded. Enjoy

RhysSebastian.7651:

I mean im sure you didnt appreciate necromancers throwing 25 stacks of bleed on you, through a mountain or wall which you could not view em cus they utilized targetting functions.

No the LoS stuff is perfectly fine. The Blocking/Blinding of utility/defensive skills isn’t.
If my Clones and Phantasms were nothing but attacks, I would be happy with it. The way it is, my interrupting, my defence, part of my condition removal, this all relies on them.
Fine, but in turn I want to be crushingly powerful if it actually works, then. Nope, no deal. Well, outside of sPvP, which is why I hold the stance that it would be best for the game if sPvP dies in a fire. Then at least balance can focus on actually important areas of the game (and mind you, I like to play sPvP, I just think it should be low priority, it always feels like a tacked-on minigame, good for a laugh or wasting some time, never the focus).

RhysSebastian.7651:

How did you beat a competent mesmer, at the henge in the Forest of Nifhel (NOT WVW, NOT PVE) prior to the LOS nerf.

I don’t know. But was the crude fix for this single problem worth breaking several skills in the two major game modes PvE and WvW? Especially since they already started to separate PvP and PvE/WvW skills? I doubt so. And if you actually think so, you’re too self-involved to be taken seriously.

RhysSebastian.7651:

AOE blinds shut a lot of things down lol. They have ways to remove conditions en masse in an area. They just have to clutch control it in combat, just like any other class when they are shut down.

Yea except other classes can use their urtilites still. When I am blind I can still use Deathbloosom to evade. Or on warrior still use whirlwind to evade away etc. The mesmer can not.

OP is obviously just a troll necro posting about our now broken class. Moving on…

Aberrant.6749:

OP is obviously just a troll necro posting about our now broken class. Moving on…

Yea, users like this who’s sole propose is to add insult to the injury is a major concern for me on how Anet is taking their “initiative” to push those changes upon us.

Man you guys must be really angry, have yet to get an answer to my question.

Do you have a competent strategy for dealing with someone who simply LOS phantasmed at the henge for multiple minutes at a time?

Thats it. Thats all im asking. You people are whining about things Im not even concerned about. I am asking the mesmer community, how do YOU beat a mesmer who abused LOS previously?

No it wasn’t. The point of your post was to make some sort of argument that since there was no way to counter this one particular situation in spvp, it’s fine that arenanet released a patch that a) made line of site a requirement for phantasms and b) introduced multiple bugs… as if the only alternatives were 1) do absolutely nothing or 2) release a buggy, untested patch that broke core mechanics of the class.

RhysSebastian.7651:

Vendris.4201:

Your question is meaningless to me, because I have never been against adding a line of sight requirement to illusionary beserker. I have in fact stated that I thought it should be fixed.

However instead of simply fixing it, they added a new bug to the beserker (that result in a damage reduction), and they added a new line of sight bug to illusionary warden that’s even worse than the original problem.

If you want to have “fun” and see it in action, grab a few mesmer friends, trait in inspiration and get the focus skills gain reflection trait, all target a keep door, and toss illusionary wardens straight through the door into the keep.

The problem is as funny as this is, it also makes it impossible for me to use another tactic I used to use all the time in WvW – using an illusionary warden just outside the keep door to help protect people using battering rams to attack the door.

To summarize: I have no problem with actually fixing LoS on the beserker. My problem is the patch is a horrible buggy mess.

The point of the post was the question, your hilarious.

RhysSebastian.7651:

Man you guys must be really angry, have yet to get an answer to my question.

Do you have a competent strategy for dealing with someone who simply LOS phantasmed at the henge for multiple minutes at a time?

Thats it. Thats all im asking. You people are whining about things Im not even concerned about. I am asking the mesmer community, how do YOU beat a mesmer who abused LOS previously?

Cripple. Stun. Daze. Blind.

Is it REALLY that hard to run up to a Mesmer? REALLY?!

If you can’t kill a player that’s playing a simple game of “Ring Around the Rosie” then you’re not any better than the Mesmer who has to pull that to win.

Catering to casuals, it begins.

RhysSebastian.7651:

Do you have a competent strategy for dealing with someone who simply LOS phantasmed at the henge for multiple minutes at a time?

Same way you deal with any Necro or Hunter or any condition-focused build which does that?

RhysSebastian.7651:

Man you guys must be really angry, have yet to get an answer to my question.

Do you have a competent strategy for dealing with someone who simply LOS phantasmed at the henge for multiple minutes at a time?

Thats it. Thats all im asking. You people are whining about things Im not even concerned about. I am asking the mesmer community, how do YOU beat a mesmer who abused LOS previously?

If this mesmer with iBerserk was nagging you around the pillar.. any AoE on yourself would get the job done.
In this very case I would used to // CTRL+T // spam “Mark of Blood” and “Putrid Mark” on me, “Chilblains” nearby and “Reaper’s Mark” on the pillar.
Once these condition have been meet, with either dagger or scepter+focus, I would face rolling the keyboard to take him off.
You know force the enemy to change tactics.. whatever.
Side note.
Since pushing 5 button must be so an overwhelming experience, you should have just ask in your team for help instead of crying wolf.
Now as result, you have a REAL broken class with broken skill – good job.

-WVW- This is disheartening. Goodbye (Focus/Greatsword) hello rolling another toon that can actually do damage to arrow carts and players(los). All I play is wvw and I don’t have time to fully gear out another toon so I think I may be done with GW. Playing GW/WVW will be missed.

Dralus, that’s just /wrist-ing. The change is annoying, but not actually that big of a perceived difference in WvW. I mean, we weren’t exactly good at fighting up onto walls as it were (we rock when fighting from the walls, OTOH).

If Phantasms ignoring LoS was the corner stone to your success as a mesmer, then you’re not as good of a mesmer as you think you are.

@OP was it really that hard to 2-hit a phantasm and find the mesmer? Or just 2-hit the phantasm whenever it spawns, as the mesmer obviously has no intention of capturing anything and is just kittening on by…?

edit: i can’t say troII (capital ‘i’)?….

My comment wasnt a global statement for all mezmers. Hitting arrow carts and such even if it did take awhile to take one down yorself still made me fill useful. When taking a tower it is what “I” enjoyed. If they made zerker ground targetable i think that would solve the pvp/wvw los complaints (which can be valid) and still allow the mechanics to be almost the same.

RhysSebastian.7651:

Man you guys must be really angry, have yet to get an answer to my question.

Do you have a competent strategy for dealing with someone who simply LOS phantasmed at the henge for multiple minutes at a time?

Thats it. Thats all im asking. You people are whining about things Im not even concerned about. I am asking the mesmer community, how do YOU beat a mesmer who abused LOS previously?

Since you don’t give a kitten about our problems we don’t give a rat’s kitten about your question. Now go troll some other class’s forum.

plasmon.5348:

Since you don’t give a kitten about our problems we don’t give a rat’s kitten about your question. Now go troll some other class’s forum.

It is not that we don’t care about is question, due to him not caring about Mesmer issues, it is that most people here assumed he was trolling since he was asking such a pointless question, and thus he was just ignored… until he kept spamming the trollish question to then people then answered his pathetically easy troll question just to shut him up.

Surbrus.6942:

It is not that we don’t care about is question, due to him not caring about Mesmer issues, it is that most people here assumed he was trolling since he was asking such a pointless question, and thus he was just ignored… until he kept spamming the trollish question to then people then answered his pathetically easy troll question just to shut him up.

I love how he pretends to be a Mesmer when the second person replying to his post showed that he is a Necromancer. But apparently we should believe he is a Mesmer because he played the class in beta… like most of us didn’t play other classes in beta.

Pure troll that’s what he is. Just came here to throw fuel on the fire.

Really wish we could get a mod in here to delete some of these obvious troll posts…..

Here’s my solution: Make phantasm spawn like pet that sticks to a single target instead of a living condition or range attack.
Here are the details:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/suggestions/Point-blank-illusion-spawning-Proposal/first#post873678

don’t feed the troll folks .. this one apparently has a ravenous appetite … move along nothing to see here :-)

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