Guild Wars 2

Hey all I totaly like it to be manipulation but my problem is with mirror effect if you would take manipulation mastery beacose imagine you are getting hit by ranger you use mass inv and you instantly reveal urself beacose you reflect arrows back to hem after you use mass inv and if not reflection wile stealth is totaly useless or it will activate after you come out of stealth in this case it will need certain work beacose the time you come out of stealth urself is between 0 and 5 seconds more if you have PU . Don’t get me wrong I’m not complaining just wanted to bring it out beacose it can hurt more than it helps . Sry for my bad English and what are your thoughts.

This…is a really good observation.

I don’t see any reason why they could not program the reflect to proc after the invis effect is intended to wear off… the same way the blast finisher is programmed for the prestige.

I agree, very good point. I quite like mikkel’s idea too, but the same thing could still cause problems with stealth → blink.

I get your concerns. What I also find interresting: Will mass invis also grant Mass Reflection? Will Illusion of Life also grant the effect to allies?

Totally agree with OP here as I’m very concerned about MI being a manip. skill.
When paired with that trait, at best, the trait becomes useless, at worst, u get revealed and waste your elite instead.

Hopefully Anet will look into this.
Mikkel’s idea is nice and could be an easy fix. Also my take on this issue would be changing MI to another skill type as Moa Morph seems to fit the manipulation title better.
For example, lets call “Ether” a new skill type then Ether Feast and MI can both belong to this type.
@Me Games Ma: reading from the trait description, it looks like only the mesmer gets the reflection effect. But I can be wrong. After all, nothing is set in stone yet.

keenlam.4753:

But I can’t be wrong.

Lol, you mean “But I can be wrong.”?

Mikkel.8427:

I don’t see any reason why they could not program the reflect to proc after the invis effect is intended to wear off… the same way the blast finisher is programmed for the prestige.

That’s a very interesting point, that is the reason why Prestige works that way, right? To not artificially unstealth us? Never thought about it.

Me Games Ma.8426:

keenlam.4753:

But I can’t be wrong.

Lol, you mean “But I can be wrong.”?

Sry bad typo. Fixed lol.

Carighan.6758:

Mikkel.8427:

I don’t see any reason why they could not program the reflect to proc after the invis effect is intended to wear off… the same way the blast finisher is programmed for the prestige.

That’s a very interesting point, that is the reason why Prestige works that way, right? To not artificially unstealth us? Never thought about it.

Yeah. Good catch, OP.

There are definitely ways that this conflict can be mitigated, but we’ll have to be vigilant about testing the interaction of Mass Invis with the Manipulation Reflect trait once some of us get access to a beta build with the new trait and skill stuff.