Sephire Blackrose
- A crummy Mesmer on Piken Square
- A crummy Mesmer on Piken Square
Mender's Purity + Poison
Trait-applied effects proc after the main action, whereas effects built in proc before. This is how it’s always been.
Bit lame to not do the cure first before applying the heal.
traiting menders with mantra of healing to counter anet’s lameness…until they decide to put a 10s CD on menders and call it balancing
a lighter thief
It’s always been that way.
Note that if heal skills inherently remove poison, they tend to cleanse the poison before the heal occurs, thus they’re immune to poison. For instance, consume conditions, hide in shadows, and mending all behave that way. I’m not sure if this applies in all instances (i.e. haven’t tested something like healing spring), but it’s common for them to work like that.
However, if the removal is acquired via a trait or other effect, it tends to perform the heal before removing the poison. This is the case with mender’s purity, and it is also the case with things like cleaning formula 409.
It’s just a convention that has always been used. To remove poison before healing is a powerful thing, so I think it works to keep those traits balanced out a bit. If they allowed you to more easily avoid the effects of poison, they could drastically increase the power of a particular healing skill.
Ironically Hide in Shadows does remove poison before the heal, even though Thief fares much better against being poisoned than Mes does.
I…don’t think that word means what you think it means.
Additionally, Hide in Shadows has poison removal built into the skill. This necessarily means that it removes the condition first…as we explained previously.
If you heal with Mender’s Purity to cure poison, the poison still reduces the heal before it is removed, was this always the case?
Bit lame to not do the cure first before applying the heal.
Using the heal mantra with mender’s can somewhat mitigate this, as only once charge of the heal is affected by the poison, so it only hits 1/2 (or 1/3 if HM is traited) of your heal instead of the whole thing like with ether feast.
Ironically Hide in Shadows does remove poison before the heal, even though Thief fares much better against being poisoned than Mes does.
I…don’t think that word means what you think it means.
Additionally, Hide in Shadows has poison removal built into the skill. This necessarily means that it removes the condition first…as we explained previously.
Not getting into an Alanis Morissette socratic argument about the meaning of irony, it was pretty obvious what I meant
Right, but what you meant was incredibly ill-informed and/or intentionally misleading.
Thief has actually incredibly limited access to condition removal. The only ‘burst’ removals thief has are shadowstep and (sorta) the one signet that’s dependent on nearby allies, and (sorta) hide in shadows/withdraw. They can remove conditions while in stealth with heavy traiting into shadow arts, and they can also remove conditions 1 at a time by spamming sword 2.
Lets compare that to mesmer. We have Mender’s Purity, which is obtainable with easy trait investment and synergizes incredibly well with the mantra heal. We have strong burst condition removal through the condition removal mantra, and incredible sustained (and sorta burst) removal (that also boon strips) with pDisenchanter. Lastly, we have null field, which is a fantastic aoe removal/boon strip that’s also an ethereal field. For more sustained removal with heavy traiting we can take the torch trait, and then we’ve also got potentially high removals by utilizing the whirl combo of the iWarden with the light field of temporal curtain.
Mesmer is in every way better equipped to handle conditions than thieves are. Thieves have an easier time avoiding the application of those conditions, but only very specific builds can remove a lot of conditions, and even those can get overloaded quickly.