Guild Wars 2

hi guys ,
so after testing several builds some of which ppl post here here are my conclusions regarding pvp fighting on point/near point and group fight

builds played:
condi shatter sc/sw+sc/sh illu/insp/chron
bunker/support sw/sh+staff, sw/sw+staff insp/chron/chaos
condilock sc/sh+staff illu/due/chron
bruiser sw/sh+staff, sw/sh+gs
powerpu sw/t+gs
gameplay atm unranked with 2-3 alies, enemies where split usually 2-3,4-1

enemy class usually play against engi 1-2, ele 1, thief 1, ranger 1-2, necro 1-2 , gaurd 1, rev 1
most common enemy team 2 necro, 1 engi, 1 ranger, 1 thief or 1 necro and 2 engi

1. condilcok – bad – too much stability spamming and not much boon removing. so mistrust ended useless in team fight. 1v1 below average
2. bunkersupport – good but not as it used to be. 1v1 easy to handle. 1v2 depends on the enemy comp as necro rip your boons engi perma stun you so its hard to control a point. needs very good team communication. but now does more dmg with 54%- 74% crit chance. so the support is only with boons and dmg (like semi bruiser). good in low mid tier depeand on group composition
3. bruiser – no boon share same dmg as bunker or little bit higher with gs. hard to control a point long enough. good in low mid tier
4. power pu – good above average just its our only power base build atm. thief can sneak on you thus you have to be on guard 100% which lower your dps in the game. thus why not take a thief if your team can handle without portal
5. condishatter good above average – i really dont know why maybe just becuase our power build not par with others. but the condi pressure even in team fight can make a change ingame. careful from necro (even if you can take him just dont). good 1v1 build while contesting point (not like power pu)

with almost each fight i get our pugs to comment. pls dont play mesmer bad in this meta atm. i lost cuase of you…. etc…

i played mostly condi shatter
my win rate is about 65% (30 games) and most losses were cause pugs bad rotations as we won most fights but lost rotation for a thief mainly.

i know mesmer for the past couple of months will be out of meta .. shame but still we can do good, it just makes us play better harder and stronger so when the buff will come all will screap op not cause the buff rather the mesmer player become better.

Totally agree with your assessment.

I also feel the best working build is condie shatter. You can still take portal and moa which are the most impactful skills from mesmer and get low cd F5 shatter as well. If you take inspiration line, you also have some potential for on-point fight. Necro is hard matchup but moa counters them hard.

Are all of this chrono builds, or are there any builds without specialization ?

pico.6402:

Are all of this chrono builds, or are there any builds without specialization ?

all chrono . you can go without but it will feel this way as chrono gives you doable utilities and shatter so more burst options

Exciton.8942:

Totally agree with your assessment.

I also feel the best working build is condie shatter. You can still take portal and moa which are the most impactful skills from mesmer and get low cd F5 shatter as well. If you take inspiration line, you also have some potential for on-point fight. Necro is hard matchup but moa counters them hard.

Moa is absolutely not a hard counter vs a necro. In a team fight, they just run away for 10 seconds (like anyone does when moaed). In a 1v1, moa is great on a power build, but worthless on a condie build if the necro you’re fighting isn’t an idiot. They can just stand still and do nothing for 10 seconds. It’ll hurt a bit, but that drastically lowers the damage they take. After 10 seconds they pop out with a condie transfer, and you’d just better hope that all those condies you’ve been loading them with end up on a clone and not on you.

Why I liked playing mesmer in the first place, cause you had to be good at it.

messiah.1908:

pico.6402:

Are all of this chrono builds, or are there any builds without specialization ?

all chrono . you can go without but it will feel this way as chrono gives you doable utilities and shatter so more burst options

After today game session I know what U mean. I’m trying to play some hybrid build but I have low damage and survibility.

Then I saw U’r condishatter movies and I thin that without shield and chrono I will not by able to be decent in pvp.

Scapper.4236:

Why I liked playing mesmer in the first place, cause you had to be good at it.

What you seem to forget in this ridiculous statement is that people can be good at other classes too. If you’re playing Mesmer and encounter someone equally skilled on say revenant, you’ll get your kitten handed to you.

With the awful state Mesmer is in, it’s not enough to simply be good at the class, you have to be massively better at it than your opponents are at their classes. This might work in scrub-tier unranked, but it’s not going to fly once you start fighting actual competent groups of people.

Fay.2357:

Exciton.8942:

Totally agree with your assessment.

I also feel the best working build is condie shatter. You can still take portal and moa which are the most impactful skills from mesmer and get low cd F5 shatter as well. If you take inspiration line, you also have some potential for on-point fight. Necro is hard matchup but moa counters them hard.

Moa is absolutely not a hard counter vs a necro. In a team fight, they just run away for 10 seconds (like anyone does when moaed). In a 1v1, moa is great on a power build, but worthless on a condie build if the necro you’re fighting isn’t an idiot. They can just stand still and do nothing for 10 seconds. It’ll hurt a bit, but that drastically lowers the damage they take. After 10 seconds they pop out with a condie transfer, and you’d just better hope that all those condies you’ve been loading them with end up on a clone and not on you.

Yeah, you are right it is harder get the best value out of moa with condie builds because stunlocking is not as easy compared to power builds. But I still have F3 and shield 5 at my disposal. You can also get much better value if you have a friend dual Qing with you.

I will also try playing with timewarp and glamour trait and see if it can bring more to the table.