Guild Wars 2

Do you feel as though Phantasms are straight up broken in terms of usability? They require their target to stay alive and can’t swap targets, making Mesmers have ridiculous set-up time and unable to do many mechanics (orbs on Gorseval) with effeciency.

Yes

15 flying quaggans.

Mesmer in general(and chrono in particular) have unsurpassed team utility, but i really miss a viable dps spec for it. It doesnt need to be top dps in the game, but it would be nice to be able to some damage without having to spam mantras.

We can’t have everything. We have ultra support OR great single target dps. Our cleave dps is only okish in solo situations but in team play utterly garbage but when do you need that? :P

I wish the devs would get past this outdated notion of wanting everyone to “play however they want”, properly declare roles, like “boon controller” for Mesmer, and then just set up the class and skills for that.

It’d allow for such crazy ideas such as balance or design.

Xyonon.3987:

We can’t have everything. We have ultra support OR great single target dps. Our cleave dps is only okish in solo situations but in team play utterly garbage but when do you need that? :P

Isn’t great a bit of an exaggeration?

Should probably specify DPS as burst.

That said, Xy’s kind of right.

Can’t have huge innate burst and control on shatters + amazing group utility on build and traits + high personal DPS.

I think the only real way to get past the issue is the next elite spec to replace shatters with selfish DPS options.

The problem is that the PvE meta will always demand roles, and those who are most optimal at them. In instances of trying to balance PvE, you either end up with strict role-based systems and pray your class/profession is doing what you like, or you end up with infinite power creep trying to give each profession a reason to be selected.

Both outcomes are terrible and are why fundamentally unless class diversity is strictly not allowed, there’s going to be a demographic screwed over. Which is why generally speaking balancing for diverse groups in high-end PvE is pointless.

Jerus.4350:

Xyonon.3987:

We can’t have everything. We have ultra support OR great single target dps. Our cleave dps is only okish in solo situations but in team play utterly garbage but when do you need that? :P

Isn’t great a bit of an exaggeration?

9.5k solo without any buffs or 27.5k with realistic buffs seems great to me.

Mesmer was doomed the moment we gained condition on shatter. It was the devs taking power and burst from us and forcing us to be the hated condition mesmer. Players will never stop complaining about us now despite the fine line we sit on. I have given up on an overall sustain nerf for all classes as the devs wont do it. I just hope they can bring phantasm back because it was fun to play mind games with my enemy while pretending to be a clone that I didn’t have to shatter.

Chris McSwag.4683:

Mesmer in general(and chrono in particular) have unsurpassed team utility, but i really miss a viable dps spec for it. It doesnt need to be top dps in the game, but it would be nice to be able to some damage without having to spam mantras.

PS Warriors do more damage and provide equivalent support.

Druids do more damage, provide better support, and are one of the best burst healers in the game.

Zelulose.8695:

Mesmer was doomed the moment we gained condition on shatter. It was the devs taking power and burst from us and forcing us to be the hated condition mesmer.

Eh, right. This is why condi mesmer is the common raid spec, not providing Quickness or anything. And why condi deals superior damage, much better than just bringing your Ele.

He’s talking about PvP, where condi is in fact the only meta build for Mesmers now.

Xyonon.3987:

Jerus.4350:

Xyonon.3987:

We can’t have everything. We have ultra support OR great single target dps. Our cleave dps is only okish in solo situations but in team play utterly garbage but when do you need that? :P

Isn’t great a bit of an exaggeration?

9.5k solo without any buffs or 27.5k with realistic buffs seems great to me.

True, I guess I’m just a little skeptical. I saw that picture you posted and how practical is that 27k? And speaking about practicality I think you have to keep in mind that unlike many other professions short fights mesmers do worse rather than better due to setup time, killing trash is a pain.

Jerus.4350:

Xyonon.3987:

Jerus.4350:

Xyonon.3987:

We can’t have everything. We have ultra support OR great single target dps. Our cleave dps is only okish in solo situations but in team play utterly garbage but when do you need that? :P

Isn’t great a bit of an exaggeration?

9.5k solo without any buffs or 27.5k with realistic buffs seems great to me.

True, I guess I’m just a little skeptical. I saw that picture you posted and how practical is that 27k? And speaking about practicality I think you have to keep in mind that unlike many other professions short fights mesmers do worse rather than better due to setup time, killing trash is a pain.

You can also see it took him over a minute to get close to what other classes would be doing. Generally most classes (this is very prominent with ele if you do a golem test) spike hard with damage and then taper off and there’s a lot of fights where this is a lot more beneficial.

Jerus.4350:

Xyonon.3987:

Jerus.4350:

Xyonon.3987:

We can’t have everything. We have ultra support OR great single target dps. Our cleave dps is only okish in solo situations but in team play utterly garbage but when do you need that? :P

Isn’t great a bit of an exaggeration?

9.5k solo without any buffs or 27.5k with realistic buffs seems great to me.

True, I guess I’m just a little skeptical. I saw that picture you posted and how practical is that 27k? And speaking about practicality I think you have to keep in mind that unlike many other professions short fights mesmers do worse rather than better due to setup time, killing trash is a pain.

It indeed has a ramp up time, but that time is not more than the setup + the longest bleed duration. When you look at the golem numbers starting at 22k going up to 27k it looks like a long ramp up time, but it isn’t. The beginning is just utterly low.

Power professions start with 0 stacks might. Ever hit they do until they are fully buffed are weaker aswell. Condition however adapt to the current might and buffs. This means both power and condi have a ramp up time, although I’d say condi has the longer one, it’s still shorter than what people think it is.

I would use condi Mes only for VG as green field runner, Sabby as ranged or Matthias as main dps. Everywhere else you got better alternatives. But I doubt any pugs or … other people … are gonna take you as a condi chrono – yet. Unless you got some prestige.

Xyonon.3987:

Jerus.4350:

Xyonon.3987:

Jerus.4350:

Xyonon.3987:

We can’t have everything. We have ultra support OR great single target dps. Our cleave dps is only okish in solo situations but in team play utterly garbage but when do you need that? :P

Isn’t great a bit of an exaggeration?

9.5k solo without any buffs or 27.5k with realistic buffs seems great to me.

True, I guess I’m just a little skeptical. I saw that picture you posted and how practical is that 27k? And speaking about practicality I think you have to keep in mind that unlike many other professions short fights mesmers do worse rather than better due to setup time, killing trash is a pain.

It indeed has a ramp up time, but that time is not more than the setup + the longest bleed duration. When you look at the golem numbers starting at 22k going up to 27k it looks like a long ramp up time, but it isn’t. The beginning is just utterly low.

Power professions start with 0 stacks might. Ever hit they do until they are fully buffed are weaker aswell. Condition however adapt to the current might and buffs. This means both power and condi have a ramp up time, although I’d say condi has the longer one, it’s still shorter than what people think it is.

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I would use condi Mes only for VG as green field runner, Sabby as ranged or Matthias as main dps. Everywhere else you got better alternatives. But I doubt any pugs or … other people … are gonna take you as a condi chrono – yet. Unless you got some prestige.

Sorry my ramp up complaint was a bit off topic, I was speaking more of the weakness in killing trash. We can certainly do decent DPS as you’ve shown, but we always have something to prep to get there, so killing a trash mob that dies to my guardian’s Symbol of Wrath + Whirling Wrath in a couple seconds takes my mesmer twice as long at least because I have to get phantasms up.

Anyways, mind elaborating on how you got that 27k? As I said I was a bit skeptical of it in that the last time I saw something like that as people pointed out the unrealistic situations on the test dummy it ended up dropping to ~19k instead of the close to 30k it started at. If none of that is going on that’s pretty darn awesome. I might have to strip my necro and give it a shot.