Guild Wars 2

Mesmer

Illusionary Counter: The range of the reactive part of this ability is now consistent with its indicated range.
Mesmer Portals can no longer be interacted with when there is an obstruction between them and the player.
Mind Stab: This skill will now hit up to three targets.
Illusionary Riposte: The reactionary strike that occurs when this skill blocks an attack now has the correct distance of the ability instead of half the distance. Added a ranged fact to this skill.
Mirror: This healing skill now applies reflection for 2 seconds instead of 1.
The Prestige: This ability is no longer channeled and will automatically detonate 3 seconds after the ability is used.

Yeah nerf portals ……. stupid patch….
why do they nerf mind stab? wtf?! it’s already useless……… Now it doesn’t even deserve to be called a weapon skill… I really don’t get their balance philosiphy…

Does this mean there has to be line of sight between the entry and exit portal?

Hopefully they’re referring to Sword: Mind Stab which originally only hit one target.

Mind stab wasn’t nerfed, it was buffed !
Mind stab is the third skill in our sword auto attack chain, the others are gash and slash
It used to hit just one target, now it hits three, and still removes a boon i suppose and still does a lot of damage.
I like it actually.
I was in the transition of rebuilding my mesmer to some sort of fencer build s/s s/f
Mirror now is even better, i like that skill

The portal nerf i don’t care about really.

Oh, but let’s judge the patch after a few days, until all the sneaky nerfs have been discovered :p

Wouldn’t consider the portal change as a nerf, it’s a fix imo. Just means that you can’t press “F” when there’s something between you and the portal (that’s how I understand the patchnote)
Mind stab was “meh” and it’s still “meh”. Don’t care about that skill… never got 5 targets into that small AoE anyways.
I LOVE the update for the prestige. Awesometastic!

Sad thing is… still no fix for illusionary leap. :/

Artemis.6283:

Yeah nerf portals ……. stupid patch….
why do they nerf mind stab? wtf?! it’s already useless……… Now it doesn’t even deserve to be called a weapon skill… I really don’t get their balance philosiphy…

I believe it’s about main-hand sword’s #1 3rd chain.
Before this patch 1st and 2nd chain hit 3 targets but 3rd chain (mind stab) hits the targeted one only.

Portal should be largely useless now…

The portal change isn’t a big deal.

They mean the entrance/exit you are trying to use cannot be obstructed. They don’t mean you must have line-of-sight between the entrance and the exit.

Fanolian.8415:

Artemis.6283:

Yeah nerf portals ……. stupid patch….
why do they nerf mind stab? wtf?! it’s already useless……… Now it doesn’t even deserve to be called a weapon skill… I really don’t get their balance philosiphy…

I believe it’s about main-hand sword’s #1 3rd chain.
Before this patch 1st and 2nd chain hit 3 targets but 3rd chain (mind stab) hits the targeted one only.

Portal should be largely useless now…

Oh lol, totally forgot that we have ANOTHER skill with that name. Yeah, you are probably right.

knackyknave.7469:

The portal change isn’t a big deal.

They mean the entrance/exit you are trying to use cannot be obstructed. They don’t mean you must have line-of-sight between the entrance and the exit.

But doesn’t no line-of-sight mean obstructed?

Sooo the prestige is no longer channeled. Does this mean we can dodge roll and such while using it? Will torch become more useful to us?

jportell.2197:

Sooo the prestige is no longer channeled. Does this mean we can dodge roll and such while using it? Will torch become more useful to us?

Yes.

/musicon
/partyhard

My Sweet Lily.1952:

knackyknave.7469:

The portal change isn’t a big deal.

They mean the entrance/exit you are trying to use cannot be obstructed. They don’t mean you must have line-of-sight between the entrance and the exit.

But doesn’t no line-of-sight mean obstructed?

Placing can still be done however the eff we want… If you place a portal that is on an obstruction the interaction is different.

knackyknave.7469:

The portal change isn’t a big deal.

They mean the entrance/exit you are trying to use cannot be obstructed. They don’t mean you must have line-of-sight between the entrance and the exit.

Kind of unfortunate… this means it can no longer be used to free a “stuck” player that got caught in enviornmental objects. Could be used in combat, while simply way pointing out wasn’t always an option. Granted, this was a rare occurance, but I know i’ve used it this way more then a handful of times.

I do wonder how this being (ab)used that warranted this change.

My Sweet Lily.1952:

knackyknave.7469:

The portal change isn’t a big deal.

They mean the entrance/exit you are trying to use cannot be obstructed. They don’t mean you must have line-of-sight between the entrance and the exit.

But doesn’t no line-of-sight mean obstructed?

I think they’re referring to being able to Use [F] the Portal through a wall or something.

For instance, if I’m in a keep and drop a Portal Exit in the courtyard and drop Portal Entrance on the inside of the keep’s gate, players cannot use the Portal Entrance since it’s obstructed by the gate.

i don’t understand if the object must be between the 2 portals or between the player and a portal.

edit: if it were like knacky ha spointed out, it would be a complete absurdity, since i don’t see the need for a portal in an open space. what sort of mage cannot open a gate between two points, no matter what’s in the middle. this completely screws the logic of a portal itself. just remove the skill and improve blink range and make it aoe for allies.

Thank god The Prestige and Torch is more interesting now.
Yay for Mind Stab and Mirror !

It’s nice they fixed Mirror, but I had thought Mind Stab hit 5 mobs…it really needed a buff, not a nerf…

R.I.P WvW zerg Mesmers! Every other profession is more useful in a zerg now than a Mesmer so have fun standing around doing nothing or being asked to swap to your more useful ‘Insert any other profession here’. Nor can you help your friends with jumping puzzles.

I do like the other tiny buffs though. Nice one one Mind stab and Mirror!

Moxic.5892:

It’s nice they fixed Mirror, but I had thought Mind Stab hit 5 mobs…it really needed a buff, not a nerf…

They are referring to the Sword version of Mind Stab that only hit one target.

The Great Sword version of Mind Stab continues to hit five.

Moxic.5892:

It’s nice they fixed Mirror, but I had thought Mind Stab hit 5 mobs…it really needed a buff, not a nerf…

Ouch yeah I forgot the #3 GS is Mind Stab too. We will see if it is a Sword buff or GS nerf.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Mind_Stab

I think the portal nerf means, that if u are stuck in awall, people cant portal u out anymore. In WvW there is or was a spot at bay watergater wher the mesmer was able to place the port through watergate and portal people inside after being rezzed through watergate.

Yea forgot about that one too, havent toutched a GS in a while

Fay.2735:

R.I.P WvW zerg Mesmers! Every other profession is more useful in a zerg now than a Mesmer so have fun standing around doing nothing or being asked to swap to your more useful ‘Insert any other profession here’. Nor can you help your friends with jumping puzzles.

I do like the other tiny buffs though. Nice one one Mind stab and Mirror!

what do u mean, we didn’t get nerfed to nothing.

Totally excited about the changes!

Mirror getting buffed. Mind Stab (1h sword skill not GS skill, right?) getting buffed. The Prestige getting buffed. Along with bug fixes! What’s not to love?

Mourningcry.9428:

Kind of unfortunate… this means it can no longer be used to free a “stuck” player that got caught in enviornmental objects. Could be used in combat, while simply way pointing out wasn’t always an option. Granted, this was a rare occurance, but I know i’ve used it this way more then a handful of times.

We need this regularly to free people who get stuck while building siege equipment.

/e: their statistical team probably came to the conclusion that not many people were using a torch because The Prestige felt so counterintuitive. I cancelled the effect countless times… still kept using it though, really happy with that change

Best thing about this patch: NO MESMER NERFS! YAY!

The portal change isn’t a big deal (if I understand it correctly). Being able to interact with a portal through a door was extremely broken and abused in WvW.

The Mirror change is interesting but probably not interesting enough to get me to use it.

The Prestige change is huge! O.M.G. The days of random AoE damage knocking us out of stealth are over.

No big buff to Scepter? O-oh, well see you guys next month then.

Fay.2735:

R.I.P WvW zerg Mesmers! Every other profession is more useful in a zerg now than a Mesmer so have fun standing around doing nothing or being asked to swap to your more useful ‘Insert any other profession here’. Nor can you help your friends with jumping puzzles.

I do like the other tiny buffs though. Nice one one Mind stab and Mirror!

Don’t jump to conclusions.

The patch note reads:

“Mesmer Portals can no longer be interacted with when there is an obstruction between them and the player”

It explicitly states you cannot interact with a portal when there is an obstruction between you and the portal. As written, this doesn’t mean an obstruction between portals. You don’t interact with the destination portal after all.

It means am obstruction between you and the portal you are attempting to interact with. So no more portaling people out of walls or clever uses to go through a wall from one side.

Yes, it sucks that we can’t use it as a quick ‘unstuck’ ability, just like it sucked when they made Guardian wards not affect friendly NPCs (they were key for getting stuck NPCs unstuck). But one bug/exploit does not necessitate leaving in others because they can at times cancel each other out.

Dastion.3106:

Fay.2735:

R.I.P WvW zerg Mesmers! Every other profession is more useful in a zerg now than a Mesmer so have fun standing around doing nothing or being asked to swap to your more useful ‘Insert any other profession here’. Nor can you help your friends with jumping puzzles.

I do like the other tiny buffs though. Nice one one Mind stab and Mirror!

Don’t jump to conclusions.

The patch note reads:

“Mesmer Portals can no longer be interacted with when there is an obstruction between them and the player”

It explicitly states you cannot interact with a portal when there is an obstruction between you and the portal. As written, this doesn’t mean an obstruction between portals. You don’t interact with the destination portal after all.

It means am obstruction between you and the portal you are attempting to interact with. So no more portaling people out of walls or clever uses to go through a wall from one side.

Yes, it sucks that we can’t use it as a quick ‘unstuck’ ability, just like it sucked when they made Guardian wards not affect friendly NPCs (they were key for getting stuck NPCs unstuck). But one bug/exploit does not necessitate leaving in others because they can at times cancel each other out.

Aaah! That makes a lot more sense. I read it wrong. That is good then!

The patch notes tend to just be a bit if a primer anyhow. Mesmers always seem to get a few rather big unmentioned changes slipped in. Like Trident last month.

I was hoping for a little scepter love. Like making its use a little “smoother”. i.e. reduce the #3 wind up a bit or #2 block a little smoother in execution. At least Illusionary Counter & Riposte got bug fixes.

What appears on the surface to have been a patch without a nerf………
(I don’t count the portal thing because honestly it was an exploit…)

I’m sure something got broken/nerfed silently. Let’s cross our fingers :P

General Douchington.8497:

No big buff to Scepter? O-oh, well see you guys next month then.

If they change Confusing Images like The Prestige so it isn’t channeled any more, well… then I’d be really happy

kerona.3465:

What appears on the surface to have been a patch without a nerf………
(I don’t count the portal thing because honestly it was an exploit…)

I’m sure something got broken/nerfed silently. Let’s cross our fingers :P

They game wont let you patch if you have a mesmer, that seems to be the stealth nerf.

SWORD / TORCH for a week for me:

Not sure if I want to use Mirror :/

Reflect projectiles and heal yourself.
Healing: 3,915
Duration: 2 s

Heal yourself. Gain additional health for each active illusion.
Healing: 5,560
Healing per illusion: 640

2 seconds of reflection vs 3k heal ? :/ Not sure if want.

Maybe if the meta becomes Longbow/rifle warriors and Rangers and short bow spam thieves..

I was so hoping for a better run speed ability. >_< Sigh…still tied down to the focus.

the good skill of torch was buffed while the crap one was unchanged……….. wierd but nice to have xD
mirror became interesting again I guess.
next time scepterbuff pelsae and I’m a happy mesmer

we want usefull updates fix/bugs these are useless

Any plans for making sword offhand viable in sPVP ?

Agreed, Illusionary Leap clone’s path is what needs fixing.

SallyStitches.4096:

I was so hoping for a better run speed ability. >_< Sigh…still tied down to the focus.

Me too If they’d just change Signet of Inspiration so it only applies Aegis/Swiftness/Vigor out of combat and if other sources of swiftness would finally stack with Temporal Curtain! That is so ultra annoying…

I’m happy with the changes, but there are still so many severe bugs that it instantly makes me feel sad about being a mesmer again

Darnis.4056:

SWORD / TORCH for a week for me:

Not sure if I want to use Mirror :/

Reflect projectiles and heal yourself.
Healing: 3,915
Duration: 2 s

Heal yourself. Gain additional health for each active illusion.
Healing: 5,560
Healing per illusion: 640

2 seconds of reflection vs 3k heal ? :/ Not sure if want.

Maybe if the meta becomes Longbow/rifle warriors and Rangers and short bow spam thieves..

this is a 15 cd heal

Now the reflect is not as useless. Still a little short

I go with runes of centaur to avoid focus,

the heal change is a big help. That means about 13sec run speed on 15 sec cooldown.

Sounds good

JonPeters.5630:

On mind stab we are aware there are two skills with this name. We are renaming one of them for the March build but for now we did indeed buff the mainhand sword end of chain skill for slot #1 called mind stab from 1 target to 3 targets.

I vote on renaming the GS version since it doesn’t fit the weapon’s theme.

I always pictured it more as a spatial attack, stabbing your greatsword through a portal to strike at enemies from below.

Thanks for popping in.

Illusionary Counter:
Ahh, now I understand why the block from scepter #2 often didn’t spawn a clone. The range was obviously too small.

Mesmer Portals:
Don’t complain about this one, it’s an important fix to prevent exploits. Read the post from “selan” to see how the exploit worked.

Mind Stab: (1h sword)
An unexpected little buff, dunno why they did it but hey, I don’t complain.

Illusionary Riposte:
Hmm, I guess it was the same range problem like with scepter #2 block.

Mirror:
Cool, I might use Mirror instead of Ether Feast. This makes our healing abilites more equal and allows more ways to play a mesmer. Thanks.

The Prestige:
Oooohhhh this sounds so nice. Hopefully we can do dodge rolls or even cast stuff without breaking the secondary effect. Does it even trigger the secondary effect if we break stealth early, before the 3 seconds are over? That would be great! Unfortunately the torch phantasm is still crap, please have a look at it.

While you’re at it, add cripple to the great sword when you rename it. Fits pretty well as it could hamstring anyone from below. The benefit of this spell is overshadowed by the self root and small target radius.

The Mirror change is good, I’m still not a fan of it though. In my experience you usually want to heal when you’re hurt, not waste potential HPS by waiting for an opportune moment to reflect to get the most of the heal. And if you aren’t reflecting any damage then you are getting less HPS than EF offers without clones. In a difficult fight you’ll often need to heal as soon as its off CD, which you just have to hope coincides with a projectile.

I guess it’s offensive potential balances that out, but I like to have reliable healing when I need it and not have to reflect projectiles or essentially 3s daze myself to get the most of it. Though I can see where it has uses in less heal intensive situations or certain fights (especially WvW). My prime use for it lately has been Swiftness with my Centaur Runes.

As to Illusionary Counter and Illusiomary Riposte, can we get some real animations for these skills? The damage aspect was tacked on in beta and the drawn out ‘raise my arm’ animation has always seemed rather placeholder-ish.

I’d like to see the Mesmer (or better yet, his clone) strike at the enemy in response with the sword, or an explosion of magic for Counter. Anything but the boring animation it has now.