Guild Wars 2

- Critical Infusion – increased recharge from 5s to 10s. Too much dodging in this game and it is a 5 pt trait so we want you to find an alternative source for vigor. It couples too well with Deceptive Evasion.
- Deceptive Evasion is problematic – we are making it so that it only make a clone when you don’t have clones out already.

Well… Take a deep breath…
It’s okay. Somehow.
It’s okay to nerf too strong builds (even if it’s my favorite), but why, ANet, why so deep?

It would be much fairer to include internal cooldown 5-10s to Deceptive Evasion, than this.

Honestly, the biggest issue with Deceptive Evasion is that the clones it created often overwrote your actual useful illusions/phantasms. Ideally it would create a clone if you were not at your capacity of 3.

Togashi Jack.9531:

Honestly, the biggest issue with Deceptive Evasion is that the clones it created often overwrote your actual useful illusions/phantasms. Ideally it would create a clone if you were not at your capacity of 3.

This is exactly how it will work. The only real nerf is critical infusion which is pretty minor.

Togashi Jack.9531:

the clones it created often overwrote your actual useful illusions/phantasms.

This is issue not only for Deceptive Evasion, it’s for every clone-creating skill.
At this point, there also need to be rule, that clones don’t overwrite phantasms.

But simply by adding case that if you have 3 clones/phantasms there won’t new one will solve not only overwriting problem, but also (again nerf shatters, but it’s ok, because it hard to use) solve 4-6 clones shatter issue.

Clones don’t overwrite phantasms. Clones will overwrite clones and clones only.

Yup, even more reasons for never coming back. I really like the incredibly mobile form of play Deceptive Evasion encourages in its current state.

Godmoney.2048:

Clones don’t overwrite phantasms. Clones will overwrite clones and clones only.

If you have 3 Phantasms out, a Clone will overwrite the oldest Phantasm.

oliverstoned.2695:

Godmoney.2048:

Clones don’t overwrite phantasms. Clones will overwrite clones and clones only.

If you have 3 Phantasms out, a Clone will overwrite the oldest Phantasm.

How many times do you actually get 3 phantasms out? I mean really? That is like a cloudless day with a perfect blue sky and a beautiful robin sits down next to you and sings a song.

Also after the nerf now they won’t will they! After the nerf you can have all 3 phantasms out without canceling any because clones won’t spawn. I guess this is a buff for phant builds.

Shatter builds are nerfed?! This nerf pretty much affect all Mesmer builds with traits in precision!

Let me guess that they’re just about nerf, nerf and more nerf, rather than actually fixing the kitten bugs with weapons/skills.

Critical Infusion is a major nerf for shatter builds. And shatter is not even meta in PvE or PvP or WvW.
Making a subpar build worse? GG ANet. Now PvE consists of Phantasm builds only. PvE build variety is down to 10/20/0/25/15 phantasm or 0/30/0/25/15 phantasm!
How awesome is that?

Where are these notes at?

Where can I read about the upcoming changes?

Deceptive Evasion is a nerf for condi mesmer. As a condi mesmer i use DE for destroying clones which will give random condition to enemy.
http://dulfy.net/2014/01/17/gw2-ready-up-skill-and-balance-developer-livestream-notes/

Godmoney.2048:

oliverstoned.2695:

Godmoney.2048:

Clones don’t overwrite phantasms. Clones will overwrite clones and clones only.

If you have 3 Phantasms out, a Clone will overwrite the oldest Phantasm.

How many times do you actually get 3 phantasms out? I mean really? That is like a cloudless day with a perfect blue sky and a beautiful robin sits down next to you and sings a song.

Also after the nerf now they won’t will they! After the nerf you can have all 3 phantasms out without canceling any because clones won’t spawn. I guess this is a buff for phant builds.

Can’t tell if serious…

Phantasm A > Signet of Ethers > Phantasm A > Weapon Swap > Phantasm B

There, 3 Phantasms out in about 4 seconds.

i think they ve done some pretty heavy nerf to all classes previously including mesmers, but they were necessary, this time is just too much, mesmers need vigor and good endurance regen, and they nerf the skill that gives them this ability, that is just bad really bad

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/Deceptive-Evasion-nerf/first#post3512400

I’ll just leave this here for those who haven’t heard yet.

Kumu Honua.2751:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/Deceptive-Evasion-nerf/first#post3512400

I’ll just leave this here for those who haven’t heard yet.

Well, it’s just misunderstanding then.
It seems ok. Thanks for link.

Nyanko.7689:

- Critical Infusion – increased recharge from 5s to 10s. Too much dodging in this game and it is a 5 pt trait so we want you to find an alternative source for vigor. It couples too well with Deceptive Evasion.
- Deceptive Evasion is problematic – we are making it so that it only make a clone when you don’t have clones out already.

Well… Take a deep breath…
It’s okay. Somehow.
It’s okay to nerf too strong builds (even if it’s my favorite), but why, ANet, why so deep?

It would be much fairer to include internal cooldown 5-10s to Deceptive Evasion, than this.

well since the massive glamour nerf they did( none of the other classes apart from bm rangers has ever had an entire build nerfed by over 60%), nothing surprises me anymore. the dev’s play war mainly and dont know anything about mes. thats why they dont understand how all the nerfs destroyed the wvw mes and turned us into veilbots. i mean they buffed mantras…ever tried a pure mantra build? and then dived into a zerg? yeah try to recharge that stupid mantra in this cc meta the mantra just doesnt fit the game very well as most of the classes just can use their skills while mantras are useless if u get immobilized while trying to recharge, etc.

most of our bugs have not even been adressed yet. the iwarden is so broken atm that id either doesnt spawn at all or just stands there.

Also consider the overall dmg nerf for burst builds, it will be nigh impossible to kill a condi class as a shatter.

Don’t forget the confusion nerf.

Let’s face it. Anet hates Mesmers.

Why don’t they just removed the class from the game and be done with it?

Herr der Friedhoefe.2490:

Don’t forget the confusion nerf.

Let’s face it. Anet hates Mesmers.

Why don’t they just removed the class from the game and be done with it?

Im with you, please just remove mesmer and make all her soulbind stuff acct bound so I can utilize my parked ele.

bOgz.7263:

Herr der Friedhoefe.2490:

Don’t forget the confusion nerf.

Let’s face it. Anet hates Mesmers.

Why don’t they just removed the class from the game and be done with it?

Im with you, please just remove mesmer and make all her soulbind stuff acct bound so I can utilize my parked ele.

+1 to that, i’d most likely just grind a warrior to 80 and give my stuff to him. It would be a safe bet, warriors will never be nerfed.

i think mesmers need to be nerfed even further… and phantasms and stealth removed from the class… because mesmer is still too OP in 1 vs 1.. and thats how they balance the game right? so yay more nerfs.. bring it on! i want everyone to quit mesmer so i can be the only mesmer left in GW 2!!!

Adrianna.3092:

i think mesmers need to be nerfed even further… and phantasms and stealth removed from the class… because mesmer is still too OP in 1 vs 1.. and thats how they balance the game right? so yay more nerfs.. bring it on! i want everyone to quit mesmer so i can be the only mesmer left in GW 2!!!

Don’t forget to put portal on a 240s cooldown, spatial surge a reflectable projectile, oh and remove phase retreat.

;)

Curunen.8729:

Don’t forget to put portal on a 240s cooldown, spatial surge a reflectable projectile, oh and remove phase retreat.

;)

They might as well just nail our feet to the ground now.

The nerf will sting, but I’m all for it from a power shatter build’s perspective if they back it up by increasing clone gen in some way for shatter builds.
Using dodges to generate clones instead of using dodges for.. dodging, is pretty lame and I’d like to see it changed. I’m happy with this nerf if it leads to that.
We’ll see how that goes though.

Power shatter mes here and I agree with Arewn.

I currently trait for Deceptive Evasion, but the nerf for me will not be a game changer as long as Anet increases other clone gen methods.

Where did I miss the announcement that ANet will buff other clone generation methods?
I am fairly sure this will not happen, as it would just nullify the fix for DE.

This is just not going to happen. Nope.

I don’t think Aanet realizes how much vigor clone generation affects shatter specs. Why would you nerf shatter mesmers so much in the current meta it makes no sense.

That really took 1 nerf to open people’s eyes that shatter was already pretty kittened?…
Shatter builds been taken down from day 1 to ground level.

Anet should re-consider what they want with mesmer these days

I’m more bothered by the people in this thread that are using builds that want 3 phantasms out on a target but are still taking DE.

Some good impression at the follow link:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/Alashya-on-Mesmer-Changes/first#post3518429

would love to see your feedback!!

Nyanko.7689:

Togashi Jack.9531:

the clones it created often overwrote your actual useful illusions/phantasms.

This is issue not only for Deceptive Evasion, it’s for every clone-creating skill.
At this point, there also need to be rule, that clones don’t overwrite phantasms.

But simply by adding case that if you have 3 clones/phantasms there won’t new one will solve not only overwriting problem, but also (again nerf shatters, but it’s ok, because it hard to use) solve 4-6 clones shatter issue.

If you shatter 3 clones they enter a seperate queue in which you can send 3 more clones to shatter and then 3 more until they hit the target. They are already considered “dead” so the DE nerf doesn’t hit shatter builds that hard if you time your shatters and dodges well.