Guild Wars 2

How does every other class get a line of sight nerf and skill rework that is in the interest of “balance”, but mesmer does not?

Mesmer abusing skills freely, with no fear of being nerf’d, while other class’s get balance changes to LOS and changes to many targets that are affected by the newly balanced skill.

Mesmers using skills that work without line of sight.. with a 25 second cooldown..

Basically can rip anyone off a platform that is no where even near the edge.
I feel sorry for the Necromancers who got another nerf to epidemic when a skill like this goes unchecked and is abused in all aspects of GW2.. mostly wvw.

The skill im refering to is: “Temporal Curtain” then “Into the Void”
Every 25 seconds.. with extended range when traited.. then extended even more when the target is further out of distance.. which manages to still hit the out of reach target.

I’ll assume the dev’s know about this and that this thread will be ignored or locked because of flaming replies or OP lacks constructive criticism.

Here is a youtube vid of what im talking about:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LquN_WLWWpA

While we’re at it let’s adjust all the skill that are also AoE to require loS. Meteor Shower, thief SB 2 and 3, barrage. Now if you can’t see the target you’ll get the No LoS message.

It’s a skill that you must place yourself, therefore there’s no LoS requirement. Same goes for all skills of that type (as far as I know), for every class. It also servers as a reflection wall when traited, and as a speedbuff. Adding a LoS requirement would make it absolutely useless for those purposes.

Awkward.1286:

How does every other class get a line of sight nerf and skill rework that is in the interest of “balance”, but mesmer does not?

Not true. Mesmers got their phantasms reworked to require LoS some months ago.

Actually, I find it quite hilarious that some Necros act like the world is ending just because Epidemic requires LoS now. Aside from ground- (or self-)targetted skills, everything a Mesmer can do requires LoS. The reason for why “every class but Mesmer gets a LoS nerf” is, that Mesmers already got all those nerfs long ago. Yet, some furry members of our community keep calling Mesmer OP. We can learn three things from that: 1. Those LoS-“nerfs” are actually just introducing standards that already count for other classes for ages; 2. Those LoS-“nerfs” will not let the world end for anyone; and 3. There will always be some four-legged members of our community who think that something a Mesmer can do is OP, just because it’s a Mesmer who does it. Seriously… now it’s a Focus-skill that’s OP? SERIOUSLY?!?

Lol. Next time, someone will claim that the torch-phantasm is OP as hell.

P.S.: Talking about kitties without writing kitten! Censoring the censorship before even getting censored ftw!

I should be nice but I haven’t been “in character” in a while, so…

This is a joke, right? Line-of-sight screws mesmers over ALL the time! If a mesmer is blinded, attacking a blocking opponent or loses line-of-sight (even on a target that can still hit us) clones and phantasms won’t spawn! To put that in proper perspective, that’s like a Warrior losing 1/3 of their adrenalin bar because they happened to be blinded or a Thief losing 1/3 of their initiative because their attack was blocked. I don’t know about the rest of the mesmers here but I’m still whining about it!

As for Temporal Curtain, it’s a ground-targeted AoE. It’s a weird one but still is one. All it requires is a surface to work on. If that gets “fixed” then every other gound-targeted aoe needs to be “fixed” as well.

Let’s be clear. Should such happen, I will first slap you and then I will slap every ANet employee that listened to you. Please bring your assault charges against me so I can see you in court and slap you again, just to make it worth it!

Now there is presently a bug with that has an obvious exploit but it has been reported already and by mesmers, thank-you-very-much. Knowing Anet, they’ll have it fixed or slap an atrociously ugly band-aid on it within the next month.

Ahhh! I feel relieved now! It’s good to vent.

i find your screen name quite fitting because you are advocating that all aoe skills get nerfed. (mesmer will be the least affected)

Constant LOS for aoe skill will be funny. I wonder how necros will feel when someone walks onto active epidemic and all they see is obstructed.

Hey hey can a GM close this thread and delete it ! Threads that say nerf are against the rules !

dani.1956:

Hey hey can a GM close this thread and delete it ! Threads that say nerf are against the rules !

And threads/posts that specifically ask for/call out a GM are also against the rules. Use the report button, please.

really? lol.
Never said anything about the world ending for any class, just compared one balance change to another.

Mesmer is the only class that can use an ability that can move multiple people from this range.

Multiple people.
No LOS.
Target anywhere Terrain skill.
Maximum Distance when used.

Every other class that has an ability to move another character at any time has a LOS obstacle and a 1 person limit.

But not mesmer.. they can pull you through walls, off of buildings, anything that has no ledge, even if you are not even standing anywhere near a ledge, an auto attack would deem target to be out of LOS and this ability would still work against that target.

The use of “Into the Void” has extended range upon the spells also extended range from traits.
Watch the youtube video in the OP link.

Pretty sure only the ranger longbow should be able to hit that person in the video, and i can 100% bet that the ranger would get the “obstructed” message if he tried.

Let’s see…

Every other class that has an ability to move another character at any time has a LOS obstacle and a 1 person limit.

Just from the top of my head : Fear Me ? Reaper’s Mark ? Updraft ? Magnetic Shield ? Big Ol Bomb ? Well, good thing for mesmer those don’t exist I guess, because none has LoS (afaik) nor 1 target limit.

Awkward.1286:

But not mesmer.. they can pull you through walls, off of buildings, anything that has no ledge, even if you are not even standing anywhere near a ledge, an auto attack would deem target to be out of LOS and this ability would still work against that target.

If you are not standing on a ledge, you won’t fall without LoS. The wall has to be placed in LoS, and if for example you are on a keep wall, the veil would be at ground level. The distance pulled is then too short to pull anything off the ledge but what is already on the limit of said ledge (you can see in your linked video that the ennemy is already one foot out of sure grounding).
Afaik, any AoE instant effect goes through wall.

Awkward.1286:

The use of “Into the Void” has extended range upon the spells also extended range from traits.
Watch the youtube video in the OP link.

No trait extend “Into the Void” no “Temporal Curtain” range. The video you link doesn’t show any range extension, the wall is placed on sight, at range (just on quite a steep incline), and the ennemy is on range of Into the void. Working definitely as intended.
As for extending it by other means, there is a known bug of linear AoE, not specific of mesmer, and anyone using an obvious exploit should get in trouble with ANet. This need a bugfix, not a nerf.

Awkward.1286:

Pretty sure only the ranger longbow should be able to hit that person in the video, and i can 100% bet that the ranger would get the “obstructed” message if he tried.

That’s irrelevant, since the mesmer doesn’t target the ennemy, but a position which is at range, in sight. Into the Void then pull everything in range, without LoS, because AoE don’t check LoS. A ranger could put a Rain of Arrows on the same position and hit the guy.

So, what exactly is your point ? :S
AoE are OP ? Nerf bugs ? I know it’s trendy to hate on mesmer, but at least do it on Portal and Time Warp, like everybody else :P

Reporting OP, he apparently hacked the game. How else would his mesmer never have a LoS issue?