Guild Wars 2

lately i was trying to find a build for mesmer in zerg situations in wvw
and i find it bit hard.
sometime i wonder if we did not have viel group would never have needed us.

as mesmer we bit lack aoe skills with shorter cd, or good AA attack that deals enough dmg (condition or direct) like necro marks/wells, ele fields rotations, engineer bombs and grenades

am i wrong?
example in 40 seconds rotation:
condition necro aoe skills:
mark of blood – 8 times, aoe 3 stacks of bleeding for 12 seconds to 5 ppl = 8*3*130*12*5=187,200 dmg so 4,680 dps
chilblains – 2 time, poison for 9 seconds to 5 ppl = 2*250*9*5=22,500 dmd so 562 dps
Grasping Dead – 4 times, aoe 3 stacks of bleeding for 10 seconds to 5 ppl = 78,000 so 1,950 dps
Enfeebling Blood – 2 times, aoe 2 stack of bleeding for 15 seconds to 5 ppl = 39,000 so 975 dps
wells – can do 2-3k to 5 ppl in 5 seconds (codi spec) = 15,000 so 375 dps

sum it all its 8,542 dps to 5 ppl so 1708 dps to one enemy (didnt take direct dmg into account)

i assuming that in powerwell necro the dps will remain the same (or even higher with DS) as wells will do most dmg and conditions do less.

mesmer does far less sdps even in power spec
staff is our group weapon choice but chaos storm is 28 cd (35), and all its other skills is illusions which die too fast. and mainly use in conditions build.

GS also hit 3 foes in line and mainly use in power build

The problem with power build is the mesmer is too squishy and in tight spots it is hard to perform and produce sustain dmg per seconds (sdps)

so beside null field and feedback every 36 seconds which mainly support our group and not dealing dmg at all (1-2 stacks of confusion really ,,, ) and when blast gives chaos armor (again support) we dont really being noticed

am i wrong or this is what we should be in group fight?

what build are you using in group fight (more than 20 ppl)

There is already a thread on this: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/Building-my-Mesmer-in-WvW/first#post3390128

Mesmers are not as good in zergs as other classes. The Triforce or a similar build using Glamors is probably the best bet if sticking with a zerg however Guardians, Warriors & Necros are the main zerg classes at the moment.

Xavi.6591:

Guardians, Warriors & Necros are the main zerg classes at the moment.

At the moment ???
In fact Guardians, Warriors & Necros are the main zerg class since confusion nerf.

Would you have liked the wording ‘at this time’ better? Or ‘current state’. Or maybe ‘current wvw zerg meta class composition of the moment since the confusion nerf state’?

I can go on.

I’m running a standard shatter build 20/20/0/0/30, I dont stand a chance in the zerg, but that is not my role. I get out of the trouble and hit from the side. You are right on chokepoints it may get abit difficult but that’s why I’m using full Soldiers armor with melandru runes along with zerkers trinkets. to increase my survivabilitiy i’m using might on dodge/endurance regen food.

However a way more survivable and utilitiy build is looking into mantras.

I’ve been testing around with mantras before the recent patch and found out I can build up my mesmer to a warrior level of survivability with just as much utilitiy to the group, even slightly better. It doesnt get any close to the damage warriors can deal, but with sword and staff i dont have issues tagging enough to get loot while still providing more stabilitiy and cleanse to the group than anyone else.

something like this

messiah.1908:

lately i was trying to find a build for mesmer in zerg situations in wvw
and i find it bit hard.
sometime i wonder if we did not have viel group would never have needed us.

Actually is quite hard for us. After theorycrafing for some months I have reach the conclusion that power builds are the best for raids. Conditions are cleaned a lot and mesmers don’t have the condi-spam necros/inges have to surpass that cleansing.
Even that, our direct damage DPS wont be awesome, but sword autoattacks can deal some goods 1-1,5k, iZerker 2-4k, GS autoattacks 1k, not that bad…

messiah.1908:

as mesmer we bit lack aoe skills with shorter cd, or good AA attack that deals enough dmg (condition or direct) like necro marks/wells, ele fields rotations, engineer bombs and grenades

It’s a problem of our profession mechanic, based on illusions. In zergs, they are the first thing to die, so our power is muffed a lot. Confusion glamour build solved that problem, but with the nerf it has become only a tag build, cause the damage is only able to do that.
Unless in your raids there’re 2-3 mesmers and all of you go for a glamour confusion, I’d take more the direct damage direction.

messiah.1908:

The problem with power build is the mesmer is too squishy and in tight spots it is hard to perform and produce sustain dmg per seconds (sdps)

For what I’ve experienced, that is not true. Being able to deal 3-4k with iZerker, 4k with BF, autoattacks of 1,5k… while having 20k health (with defense guard stacks) and 2650 armor.

messiah.1908:

so beside null field and feedback every 36 seconds which mainly support our group and not dealing dmg at all (1-2 stacks of confusion really ,,, ) and when blast gives chaos armor (again support) we dont really being noticed

am i wrong or this is what we should be in group fight?

That is our main reason to be in raids, help our team through glamours and TW. But doesn’t mean we are only meant to do that. There’re other thing that can keep you entertained (boon/condition removal, dps, reflects, support through mantras…). Try them and take the one that makes you feel much useful.

messiah.1908:

what build are you using in group fight (more than 20 ppl)

I won’t give you my exactly build (Dedicated guild/server privacy) but what I can tell you is I go for direct damage, GS + sword/torch. My objectives are glamours, boon ripping and dps through iZerker, shatters, reflections and sword.

Check out Pyro’s “Zergmower” build.

Mesmers in the zerg are best played as a support class. Ethereal fields are awesome for blasting because AoE Chaos Armor is very nice. I also quite enjoy running a front line mantra build which is great for dropping clones that spread conditions on death everywhere.

thanks guys!…..