Guild Wars 2

So last match I dueled a mesmer 3 times with my Light-Sword thief. My build focuses around survivability and evasion, and absolutely no stealth is involved. I put two traps over the mesmer portal located in the center of the graveyard. Each fight I started with the upper hand because he would teleport through the portal and instantly hit two traps plus my venom. I was able to dodge most shatter skills with shadow step. My build is kinda silly because I only use two swords equipped with “sigil of doom” and I swap weapons to keep them poisoned/weakness/cripple. Each fight I downed him with 5,000 +/- 2,000 hp and retreated to heal before trying to finish him while I had over 10k hp. Well, he was able to down me with ease. Then, his clones and phantasms continued to attack me whilst in “downed” stealth via smokebomb. I even went behind a wall to heal, but his phantasms were hitting me through the wall (No it wasn’t condition damage). So, how the kitten do you finish a mesmer in a 1v1 situation? I reckon if I was at full health he still would have downed me. Should I kill his phantasms first? What’s the deal with it being easier to down him than to finish? I’m not a huge fan of the whole “second chance” mini-game, but this is crazy. I can see how helpful the downed state can be in pve, but for pvp 1v1 fights I think it’s a bit over the top. Maybe it’s my fault for not using the traditional backstab build with plenty of stealth, eh?

A phantasm mesmer with no phantasms = no damage.
So yeah.
No damage = you living.

You’re pretty silly, House > Stomp GG mesmer.

For your info Mesmer’s down state basic attack causes Confusion. With his clone, that’s double the Confusion he is dealing. Since thief attacks pretty fast. you are getting hit by his Confusions. I am not sure whether condition damage is considered when you are down.

@Victorwh, condition damage is factored in when you are down, so if your up against a high cond confusion mesmer they can usually get 6-7 stacks persistent on you in downed state. For an Avg confusion build your looking at 350 per tick, so around 2100 a confusion hit.

thats why you stomp mesmers instead of trying to kill them.

their interrupt is unreliable and easy to counter than other classes.

Please, try downed state before you judge it.
I have played it for months now.
This is what happens daily.

I go down, skills 3 and 4 are on cooldown, ok my options are to move my corpse a few feet or auto attack someone and it uses my health too to attack them. Now, for some reason I no longer have a target, ok let me tab around and find someone, oh they are behind me, let me move my screen view around, then click them and….

Try to move away, they stomp you and it kills you because you didn’t port far enough away, the stomp still hit.

Try to use your auto attack, you kill yourself trying to kill them. It literally takes your health for every hit you make. Go look at it.

That downed state is horrible, just bad. I mean I never ever ever hope to pull myself up with it. The only time I ever come up from it is on pve mobs.

I have had players stomp me so fast that I don’t even get my UI to show up before it’s over.

You probably think it is exaggeration but I play it everyday – our downed state has never worked for me well at all, not in DPS gear and not in toughness gear. I don’t even try in downed sometimes because I have so little belief that it ever works. I just stare and know I’m dead.

Mesmers may have some things going for them but downed state sure isn’t one of them. Maybe you caught a fluke but I ask you just to make a lvl 1 mesmer, go fight heart of the mists mobs and try the options then tell me if you can get up all the time or even 1/20 times, I dare you to test this green green grass on this side of the hill.

if it’s a 1v1, and both of you go down at the same time, then the mesmer wins 100% of the time(exluding warrior skill). mesmers have the highest downed damage of anyone.

and your downed autoattack doesnt consume health, every class automatically bleeds health when they are downed and not reviving themselves or being revived.

even if you get downed first, in a 1v1, you can usually down the other player before they stomp you if you got them low enough before you went down.

the confusion attack crits for over 2k a hit plus confusion, and if they haven’t stomped you in 5 seconds, the rogue crits for over 6k.

the key to beating mesmer in downed state 1v1 is stomp asap.

Is that what was killing me! I never knew there was a constant bleed on someone when downed.
It coincided with Mind Blast, I thought the thing was bugged and hitting me too…
Thanks for the information.

I can’t believe I am saying this but….

Mesmers have a target issue when downed (they need a target for anything). A thief who stealths and then begins her stomp renders them completely useless.

And that is why we use butterflies…they are just better then we are!!!