Guild Wars 2

So i have been playing since beta 1 as a Mesmer. One thing that I have heard over and over again is that Mesmer is suppppperrrrr OP in 1vs 1s. Heck i even agreed with it for a long time. But ever since Custom arenas have come out people have been hosting 1vs1 Tourneys. And just looking at the PvP Events front 2-3 pages, i see 3 1vs1 tourneys that have taken place recently.

Guess how many times the winner was a mesmer?

Not a one.

So either all the Mesmers that played were so horrible that they failed with a OP class(Probably this right? ) or we can all realize that while Mesmer is very strong in 1vs1s it is maybe not the very top? And if it is the top 1vs1 there are other classes that are very close if not at par with it.

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Or that player skill matters massively and the forum whiners are just whiners…

Most recent 1vs1 Tourney Champ round:

just for a reference

Pyroatheist.9031:

Or that player skill matters massively and the forum whiners are just whiners…

I can completely agree with this.

It’s very rock paper scissor stacked with hard counters.

Phant mes, BM ranger are OP 1v1 vs a majority but a necro or an engie can hard counter a phant mes especially if hes not running a condi remover, and in turn a BM ranger will get stomped by a phant mesmer more often than not.

Occasionally you get situation where someone is terrible and is completely out played, for example I’ve killed bad BM rangers with a Shatter mesmer, and killed Phant mesmers with a BM ranger. (this was before the nerfs mind you so I dunno how much has changed in that pairing)

But in terms of truely OP? no class is really that OP people just whine and complain. The game is balanced around 5v5 and although some builds are strong 1v1 I don’t feel it’s inherently game breaking, in some cases for a 5v5 I think it’s healthy for the game to have. Although I still have the mentality that everything should be closer balanced then they currently are. 25% vs 75% isn’t fun at all, but 60% vs 40% pairings is much more appealing. though IMHO I don’t think such a thing can be achived in a RPG or ARPG, shooters do it much better but when everyone dies in max 3 hits it’s easier to play with numbers.

As for mesmer OP 1v1, nope. Shatter/Cat/Condi/hybrid/Immi/ect. are all balanced and can be out played. Phant takes little skill and has an unfair advantage but still can be countered, and despite complaints that even I make, (although some are in jest) realistically there is some form of human error and human play involved that makes a world of difference.

(To me that human error and human play is a level of compitance, if you cannot doge properly it dosen’t matter what build you are running your going to die, but the context I try to imply when I make a statment about a player being “inept” [in any of my previous posts] would usually be about knowing how to basically play the game.)

Daishi.6027:

It’s very rock paper scissor stacked with hard counters.

Phant mes, BM ranger are OP 1v1 vs a majority but a necro or an engie can hard counter a phant mes especially if hes not running a condi remover, and in turn a BM ranger will get stomped by a phant mesmer more often than not.

I agree with most of what you said but wanted to point out (for another emphasis) that in your own example you pick 4 classes out of 8 that are all top tier 1vs1 or at least counter the top tier classes. I would also like to add that thief can also counter some of these specs(played by a great player of course). So that could be arguably 5 of the 8 classes that can 1vs1 in the “top tier” of duels. Not perfect balance but it is a lot better then most would say in these forums.

Ishbaal.1503:

Pyroatheist.9031:

Or that player skill matters massively and the forum whiners are just whiners…

I can completely agree with this.

I also agree 100%. I’ve met players of just about every class who play phenomenally. One of the best players I ever fought was an Axe/Axe ranger. I’ve also seen plenty of the flavor-of-the-month classes whom I’ve been able to crush in a matter of seconds despite them being “OP.” Yes, some builds more or less counter others, but at the end of the day, most players don’t want to admit that they’ve been outplayed and will do everything they can to convince themselves and others that their loss was somehow unfair or unjustified.

Phantams mesmer is still the top 1v1 build, condis are its counter but its not like mesmers dont have any.