Guild Wars 2

People seem to like saying that Mesmer is too weak (compared to other classes).

I am going to go on a limb here and say that you just have to be building wrong. There are videos of WvW, PvP and PvE Mesmers who are AoE-ing consistently for upwarks 8k+.

I myself am sitting at level 30 and am a powerhouse in PvE with Sword/Sword, using Mirror Images for utility and focusing on Mind Wrack casting.

Are people NOT using Shatter skills? Because they are the Mesmer bread and butter. As well as the DPS illusions (such as Phantasmal Swordsman).

Before anyone mentions it, I also play frequently in WvW and PvP with the same Mesmer and do not have any problems with damage output vs survival.

No one is complaining about mesmer pvp. Most people agree they are op in pvp.

Not everyone has to build for shatters. Phantasms are more fun too. I don’t have an issue with the changes tho, only gained 3s on Duelist, I’m surprised it happened tho.

Everything that makes them good at pvp makes them awful at pve. Find me a single npc enemy in this game that works like a human player.

They don’t give themselves boons, they don’t attack often enough for confusion (or often enough to justify distortion) they don’t have the same levels of hp or damage, they’re often immune to interrupts…

You are not understanding what people are calling weak. Compared to other classes, mesmer aoe farming is a joke. Guardians spin to win, necro’s aoe condition to win, warrior rolls his face on the keyboard to win. Ele spams fireballs. Engineer spams grenades. Thieves spam clusterbomb. Ranger uses barrage once.

Compared to those, Mesmer’s only real aoe damage is a 15 second Mind Wrack which is dependent on your clones and phantasms surviving. As well as chaos storm which just got nerfed.

Compared to other classes, Mesmer is awful at farming dynamic events, as well as aoe mob grinding.

I’m not saying its not possible, its just MUCH more difficult than other classes and far less rewarding compared to other classes.

For example, on my Guardian, I could pull 8 mobs, use binding blade to pick up the ranged and use whirling wrath and pick up loot. On my mesmer, I have to gather them up, LOS to pull them all together, make sure you keep up 3 clones, Mind Wrack. This gets them to about… 50%. Then you have to try not to die as you kite forever and spam Izerker or whatever else you can do.

Mesmer just isn’t practical, by the time we summon a clone to do aoe damage for us, all the other classes have wiped the mobs out.

Turtles All The Way Down.5608:

Everything that makes them good at pvp makes them awful at pve. Find me a single npc enemy in this game that works like a human player.

They don’t give themselves boons, they don’t attack often enough for confusion (or often enough to justify distortion) they don’t have the same levels of hp or damage, they’re often immune to interrupts…

At higher level content enemies (specifically bosses) do frequently have boons.

And I dont know what youre trying to get away with but..enemies are constantly attacking…thats just…really? No excuse for even saying that one.

I find my mesmer to be more effective in PvE than my thief, guardian and necro (all level 80).

Fateless.6985:

You are not understanding what people are calling weak. Compared to other classes, mesmer aoe farming is a joke. Guardians spin to win, necro’s aoe condition to win, warrior rolls his face on the keyboard to win. Ele spams fireballs. Engineer spams grenades. Thieves spam clusterbomb. Ranger uses barrage once.

Compared to those, Mesmer’s only real aoe damage is a 15 second Mind Wrack which is dependent on your clones and phantasms surviving. As well as chaos storm which just got nerfed.

Compared to other classes, Mesmer is awful at farming dynamic events, as well as aoe mob grinding.

I’m not saying its not possible, its just MUCH more difficult than other classes and far less rewarding compared to other classes.

For example, on my Guardian, I could pull 8 mobs, use binding blade to pick up the ranged and use whirling wrath and pick up loot. On my mesmer, I have to gather them up, LOS to pull them all together, make sure you keep up 3 clones, Mind Wrack. This gets them to about… 50%. Then you have to try not to die as you kite forever and spam Izerker or whatever else you can do.

Mesmer just isn’t practical, by the time we summon a clone to do aoe damage for us, all the other classes have wiped the mobs out.

Mesmer AoE farming a joke??
You can kill a large group of mobs in seconds with Blurred Frenzy (and not take damage while you do it). You can round up your mobs and throw down 2-3 illusions and use Mind Wrack to nearly kill them with 1 cast.

Perhaps you just arent using the right weapon.
I for one hate not having AoE. So much that I only run short bow on my thief for Cluster Bomb spam and auto attacks.
Mesmer AoE is just fine.

And as far as the 15 second cool down on Mind Wrack; that can be reduced.

I would say go try out new weapons and builds. You’re bound to be surprised.

solanu.3784:

Turtles All The Way Down.5608:

Everything that makes them good at pvp makes them awful at pve. Find me a single npc enemy in this game that works like a human player.

They don’t give themselves boons, they don’t attack often enough for confusion (or often enough to justify distortion) they don’t have the same levels of hp or damage, they’re often immune to interrupts…

At higher level content enemies (specifically bosses) do frequently have boons.

And I dont know what youre trying to get away with but..enemies are constantly attacking…thats just…really? No excuse for even saying that one.

I find my mesmer to be more effective in PvE than my thief, guardian and necro (all level 80).

No. Confusion is next to useless in pve. They are constantly attacking, sure, but at 2-3 second intervals. Unless you’re constantly stacking 20 stacks of confusion it is not worth it for pve. Don’t try to argue this, it’s been tested countless times. Also melee is rarely an option at 80. Don’t forget you’re wearing light armor. Unless you’re going for a tough/vit build, in which case swords would be useless and you’d be holding a staff and doing nowhere near the damage a sword build would be doing.

solanu.3784:

Fateless.6985:

You are not understanding what people are calling weak. Compared to other classes, mesmer aoe farming is a joke. Guardians spin to win, necro’s aoe condition to win, warrior rolls his face on the keyboard to win. Ele spams fireballs. Engineer spams grenades. Thieves spam clusterbomb. Ranger uses barrage once.

Compared to those, Mesmer’s only real aoe damage is a 15 second Mind Wrack which is dependent on your clones and phantasms surviving. As well as chaos storm which just got nerfed.

Compared to other classes, Mesmer is awful at farming dynamic events, as well as aoe mob grinding.

I’m not saying its not possible, its just MUCH more difficult than other classes and far less rewarding compared to other classes.

For example, on my Guardian, I could pull 8 mobs, use binding blade to pick up the ranged and use whirling wrath and pick up loot. On my mesmer, I have to gather them up, LOS to pull them all together, make sure you keep up 3 clones, Mind Wrack. This gets them to about… 50%. Then you have to try not to die as you kite forever and spam Izerker or whatever else you can do.

Mesmer just isn’t practical, by the time we summon a clone to do aoe damage for us, all the other classes have wiped the mobs out.

Mesmer AoE farming a joke??
You can kill a large group of mobs in seconds with Blurred Frenzy (and not take damage while you do it). You can round up your mobs and throw down 2-3 illusions and use Mind Wrack to nearly kill them with 1 cast.

Perhaps you just arent using the right weapon.
I for one hate not having AoE. So much that I only run short bow on my thief for Cluster Bomb spam and auto attacks.
Mesmer AoE is just fine.

And as far as the 15 second cool down on Mind Wrack; that can be reduced.

I would say go try out new weapons and builds. You’re bound to be surprised.

No one cares about soloing. Why the hell did you even make this thread? Who bases an entire class on it’s ability to solo in an mmo?

Op definitely hasn’t played Mesmer much. Blurred frenzy has a crazy small radius, sword is good for pvp… Not so great for pve.

And mind wrack against a group of mobs requires all your clones actually surviving AND your target can’t die or you just lost your AoE. Too unreliable.

Mesmer is terrible at AoE and we just got worse.

Cause this game is al about farming? Lol serius you qq about the class cause you cant grind fast enought? Go play some Korean game Faitless cause you seem to play the game for wrong reasons.

We melting faces in pvp atm adn will keep do that, we have mabye the games strongest burst on up to 3 targets and more skills/tricks to survive than most other classes. About pve the games is wonderfull and I running instaces explo in a grp of 3 mesmers + 2 others regulary.

Osicat.4139:

Cause this game is al about farming? Lol serius you qq about the class cause you cant grind fast enought? Go play some Korean game Faitless cause you seem to play the game for wrong reasons.

It’s not about farming mate. In some dynamic events on Orr you don’t even get a reward because a Mesmer can’t do enough damage in a specific time. Consistent Mesmer AoE damage is ridiculously low (<10% that of Warriors, yes I tested this).

Also everyone plays the game for their own reasons, no need to go all “Go away” on them.

True ppl play the game for different reasons but you cant demand the dev,s to balance the game around every aspect. Thy have to chose what make the game feel balanced and to sort a class around farming mobs in a zerg of 30 players is not a priority. Also I feel we with wrack and bf can do enought burst to get loot. yes we cant constanly deliver big aoe ofer a area if that waht some mean but we can go to a grp of npc,s or what i prefere and burst teh eyes of of em. Had a burst in wvwvw yesterday when i caught a grp of 5 players looking down a cliff trying to deccide if tehy could jump or now, got 4 down in a few seclast one jumped. Time warp + shatters and sword is amazing.

Define “consistent AoE” please.

Seriously, you’re complaining about our ability to tag mobs in DE and saying chaos storm is one of our best aoe abilities… Noone mentioned izerker, which deals good aoe damage and has a quite low cooldown.

If you’re having issues in DE and playing with a staff, the issue isn’t related to the profession at all.

Fateless.6985:

You are not understanding what people are calling weak. Compared to other classes, mesmer aoe farming is a joke. Guardians spin to win, necro’s aoe condition to win, warrior rolls his face on the keyboard to win. Ele spams fireballs. Engineer spams grenades. Thieves spam clusterbomb. Ranger uses barrage once.

Compared to those, Mesmer’s only real aoe damage is a 15 second Mind Wrack which is dependent on your clones and phantasms surviving. As well as chaos storm which just got nerfed.

Compared to other classes, Mesmer is awful at farming dynamic events, as well as aoe mob grinding.

I’m not saying its not possible, its just MUCH more difficult than other classes and far less rewarding compared to other classes.

For example, on my Guardian, I could pull 8 mobs, use binding blade to pick up the ranged and use whirling wrath and pick up loot. On my mesmer, I have to gather them up, LOS to pull them all together, make sure you keep up 3 clones, Mind Wrack. This gets them to about… 50%. Then you have to try not to die as you kite forever and spam Izerker or whatever else you can do.

Mesmer just isn’t practical, by the time we summon a clone to do aoe damage for us, all the other classes have wiped the mobs out.

No. Just no.

The best way to get a massive amount of loot during AoE farming sessions (what a ridiculous way to cry about a class) is to run into a group of mobs swinging around a melee weapon. The game greatly favors single-target attacks to AoE attacks when it comes to distributing loot. I get more loot doing this on my mesmer than I ever get using engi grenades.

Engi grenades are a joke btw and are not good for farming.

You are not understanding what people are calling weak. Compared to other classes, mesmer aoe farming is a joke. Guardians spin to win, necro’s aoe condition to win, warrior rolls his face on the keyboard to win. Ele spams fireballs. Engineer spams grenades. Thieves spam clusterbomb. Ranger uses barrage once.

And my mesmer gathers a group, drops a phantasmal swordsman, a clone with GS “2”, and a dodge, then shatters. Boom, whole group dead.

Or if you prefer, using sword/sword, I open with phantasmal swordsman on the first target, Sword 3 on the next target, dodge at them, do 1-2 auto attacks to wait for them to group, then do sword 2, and in the middle, shatter.

This is what happens when everyone refuses to think for themselves and copies the PVP builds of people like taugrim who build SPECIFICALLY FOR PVP. What did you THINK would happen running sword/pistol + Staff? My build is in my signature if you can’t seem to think for yourself, but mesmer is AMAZING at clearing PvE, and I do VERY well in dungeons as well.

AoE farming on Mesmer is fine… there are plenty of videos of AoE farming out there already. If you haven’t watched them, I would do so.

DE Farming… yes. We aren’t as good as every class. Not all classes are going to be equal for EVERY aspect of the game. That’s just kind of the way things are. That said, people blow our DE farming issues out of proportion. There are a select few classes that are WELL ahead of the curve (Ele and Guardian for example) and everyone likes to compare to that. The majority of hte classes don’t come close to those in large Orr DE’s. Maybe they’ll get nerfed? Maybe they won’t? Who knowns.

The only thing that is certain is that Mesmers are not THAT bad off in DE’s. Roll in to a group and explode with Illusionary Persona. Toss out an iBerserker when they spawn. You won’t get every mob, sure. But you WILL get a solid amount.

People are making such a big deal about a small aspect of the game. Mesmers are a fantastic class I feel. Simply put, if the class is not living up to your expectations, you should consider a different class, because Mesmers are NOT weak.

Mesmers are probably the strongest pvp class in the game. They can’t be #1 at everything.

I didnt count but almost never died in PvE from 1 to 80 (beside 1 dungeon run i did hehe)
Solo’d every single Champion boss i saw, some were hard and took a good 15 mins fight but who cares when the mob hits you once in a while ?

Weak dps ? Weak aoe ? ROFL
While leveling (ie with noob gear) I always had to salvage/destroy crap during DEs because my inventory was full, and i wasnt using 4 slots bags since im tailor haha
hint Greatsword is … great
power/crit builds helps also