Guild Wars 2

Such a class specialised into condition damage… so you get the gear for… and now you get 2 quest in underwater in “tree island”…. with no condition damage skill…. http://cdn.alltheragefaces.com/img/faces/large/misc-are-you-kittening-kidding-me-l.png

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Trident is condition damage.. kind of. They nerfed it though, and now it’s just a below average power weapon.

Underwater is a joke anyway, and arenanet doesn’t really care about making our skills fun or usefull :/

Alissah.9281:

Trident is condition damage.. kind of. They nerfed it though, and now it’s just a below average power weapon.

Underwater is a joke anyway, and arenanet doesn’t really care about making our skills fun or usefull :/

woah woah woah, youre clearly using it wrong, i use a power build and after ive done my spear burst ill switch to trident and begin to get 800 con dmg ticks, thats with no condmg specced for, its still OP in my opinion

Actually we’re not a condition specialised class.. only bleeding is used effectively, and that’s not relevant in PvE at all, the mesmer actually has great underwater capabilities compared to most classes, as the spear is seriously kitten. I never thought Id see a thread complaining about underwater mesmers honestly.

people complaining about underwater mesmer pls go

spear is such an amazing weapon…. compare it to e.g. guardian/ele underwater skills

i dont think the OP has realised about the 25 bleed stack trick xD well not a trick but you get what i mean, no one should be able to keep 25 stacks independently therefore the trident is….OP lol

Guys wtf!?

• It’s not about underwater combat with power – OP asks for condition damage underwater!
• Trident got nerfed terrible, you are 100% unable to keep up 25 stacks bleeding. AA grants you 1 stack for 1 sec = 45 bleeding damage (+0.05 per con dmg). stuck at 2-4 stacks …

It’s horrible yes. Some skills need more condition damage underwater. You just can count on your illusions right now (bleed / confusion) and shatter F2.

Also Trident 5 is bugged – deals just one tic damage and not what it should… Since – release T_T

Xyonon.3987:

Guys wtf!?

• It’s not about underwater combat with power – OP asks for condition damage underwater!
• Trident got nerfed terrible, you are 100% unable to keep up 25 stacks bleeding. AA grants you 1 stack for 1 sec = 45 bleeding damage (+0.05 per con dmg). stuck at 2-4 stacks …

It’s horrible yes. Some skills need more condition damage underwater. You just can count on your illusions right now (bleed / confusion) and shatter F2.

Also Trident 5 is bugged – deals just one tic damage and not what it should… Since – release T_T

okay maybe not 25 its been nerfed a bit but im getting a permanent 18 bleeds with 3 clones up i proc for 10% bleed duration on my trident as im not a dummy aswell :P that gives me a dmg of 700 per tic, thats very high for a zerk build,so my point is, is that this guy complaining that (1) underwater conditions are lacking is wrong and (2) not only is he wrong is that he is incredibly wrong due to being able to do good condi dmg without any condi gear lol

RedCobra.7693:

i dont think the OP has realised about the 25 bleed stack trick xD well not a trick but you get what i mean, no one should be able to keep 25 stacks independently therefore the trident is….OP lol

25 bleed stack trick….? what are you talking about…?

ElQuebecois.4691:

RedCobra.7693:

i dont think the OP has realised about the 25 bleed stack trick xD well not a trick but you get what i mean, no one should be able to keep 25 stacks independently therefore the trident is….OP lol

25 bleed stack trick….? what are you talking about…?

I assume he means something like #3, Dodge, Dodge, AA. With the Trident bleeds and Sharper Images, it’s easy to stack high bleeds.

O_O /facepalm

Mesmer is really strong underwater. I’m not sure what OP’s whining about.
Trident can stack bleed like crazy and give u perma-vigor
… and spear hits like a truck with evade built in.

Who cares about trident or spear?

The true broken weapon mesmers get underwater is time warp + 30 stacks of confusion. Seriously, go try it out. let them down you, they’ll regret it forever.

yeah underwater i do feel quiet strong actually

underwater spear mesmer is death. I lure people into water and unleash spear 3 on them and its over. I would LOVE this weapon to be on land. They dont need to change it at all really

Sanderinoa.8065:

I never thought Id see a thread complaining about underwater mesmers honestly.

Same. I love fighting underwater, not only are our weapons both pretty strong, but other players generally have 0 clue what to do. :P

ElQuebecois.4691:

…. with no condition damage skill….

condition damage condition damage condition damage condition damage

Stop talking about how awesome the spear is – sure zerker mesmer is probably the best underwater fighter. However the OP complains about condition damage underwater.

Speer is 100% direct damage, except the bleeding of illusions. Even the trident is more power viable than with condition damage. To fight with clones seems to be the only way to deal medium damage :/

Xyonon.3987:

ElQuebecois.4691:

…. with no condition damage skill….

condition damage condition damage condition damage condition damage

Stop talking about how awesome the spear is – sure zerker mesmer is probably the best underwater fighter. However the OP complains about condition damage underwater.

Speer is 100% direct damage, except the bleeding of illusions. Even the trident is more power viable than with condition damage. To fight with clones seems to be the only way to deal medium damage :/

You do realize that roughly half the posts in this thread have pointed out how overpowered underwater Mesmer condition application is?

I’m talking to those who adore the spear in this thread. Trident is ok with condition damage since condition damage in sux in general. Even a full condition build will not deal more damage with the bonus damage for bleeding than a zerker with the “weak” auto attack. This is what I want to say.

Xyonon.3987:

I’m talking to those who adore the spear in this thread. Trident is ok with condition damage since condition damage in sux in general. Even a full condition build will not deal more damage with the bonus damage for bleeding than a zerker with the “weak” auto attack. This is what I want to say.

okay youre clearly not getting my point, ill refrain from using the word “spear”, whoops my bad,
The trident is an incredibly strong condi weapon being able to stack so many bleeds is insane, even if you dont spec for condition damage in gear it still is very high, so when you were your rabid gear the trident becomes one of the best condi weapons on the game second to warrior swords and grenades.

oh and if youre trying to auto attack with the spear ive got bad news for you, L2P xD

RedCobra.7693:

The trident is an incredibly strong condi weapon being able to stack so many bleeds is insane, even if you dont spec for condition damage in gear it still is very high.

I have no access to the wiki here but I think the bleed lasts only 1 sec? I might have forgotten the bounce and the crit bleed of the clones. So how many stacks do you keep up? 3 from you, 5 per illusion? … Dang that’s really more than I’ve expected o.O
That’d make 810+0.9 per con.dmg per sec. Still bad but you will do some power damage too and you’ve got other skills …. BUT THEY ARE ALL POWER BASED xD

RedCobra.7693:

oh and if youre trying to auto attack with the spear ive got bad news for you, L2P xD

What was that for?

nope theyre not power based, and i think the wiki is wrong, not only that though but with three clones and me applying bleeds right next to the enemy taking advantage of the bounces can keep 18 bleeds on the enemy, i have about 30condamage through the bloodlust buff and do damage of about 700 per tick, HOW on gods earth is that not overpowered?? i dont understand what youre getting at?

• 1 Is power and condition based (75:25~)
• 2 is 100% power based
• 3 is not a damage skill, however it is condition damage if you summon a clone, true
• 4 is power and condition based (depending on enemy, but in general 50:50~)
• 5 is buggy since release and just deals 1/6 of the damage it should … sadly

Wiki is wrong? Wrong with what??

If you have 30 con. damage your single tic will deal 46.5 damage per sec insead of 45 and nothing more. 837 if you count them all together per second. If you would be full con. damage you would have lets say 1000 con.dmg? Makes 95 per tic. Thats 1710 bleeding per sec. With your power damage about 2k. Zerker goes for 810 damage per sec bleeding but phantasms and the spear will actually deal damage. Even the basic attack outdamages you then.

If you are condition damage based your damage relais on the clones and you are kinda unable to use phantasms or the spear.

Bleeding is a nice damage bonus, but I would never ever focus on it.

wuuuut, 1710 permanent stacks is freaking huge o.0 i dont understand how its lacking, do you mean you want more sources from the wep? i can agree i only spawn the phantasms to shatter before getting my clones up buuut
1. applies bleeds and gives you vigor and swiftness (condition)
2. applies blind (condition)
3. gives retalitation to you and does power (support)
4. it stacks confusion (condition)
5. its not broken its a CC (support)

i dont see how this is a power wep, if i was running a condition wep i wouldnt even waste my time with the spear apart from spear #5 for the CC then id start stacking bleeds, 1710 tick perma uptime is soooo freaking overpowered i dont know where to start, necros cant do that, warriors cant do that, and engis cant do that? explain how its not a power ful condi wep, or do you want things like poison and torment? im confused now

Lemme explain: It’s a strong condition weapon compared to other condition weapons. But it’s as useful if you are running power, just that you can make use of the spear too, or the phantasms, or vulnerability.

1. applies bleeds (condition) and gives you vigor and swiftness (boon). I get boons too as power build, there is no difference there.
2. blind does get affected by condition duration wich is in dominon → power. Condition damage has no effect.
3. Retalation is power based but the clone is condition due the bleed but again → boons.
4. Stacks confusion wich lasts just long enough for one attack → 500 normal damage and 2000 confusion? Now as Power build its just reversed: 2000 normal and 500 confusion. Just examples, not real numbers. It’s about to send a message
5. Its broken. It works for the cc but it says 6x damage: “high number”. However it deals just once damage and that damage is approximately 1/6 of the “high number”. → bug

A dps of 2k is weak. Power builds make 4k in general, about 6k in dungeons (no passive damage included (TW, vulnerability etc).

You would forget about “the crappy spear” ? That spear that deals 6k with 2? about 1.5k DpS with 1? Cleave (3 enemies)?? It also has a phantasm with a 1.5k~ dps aswell blink.

Xyonon.3987:

Lemme explain: It’s a strong condition weapon compared to other condition weapons. But it’s as useful if you are running power, just that you can make use of the spear too, or the phantasms, or vulnerability.

1. applies bleeds (condition) and gives you vigor and swiftness (boon). I get boons too as power build, there is no difference there.
2. blind does get affected by condition duration wich is in dominon -> power. Condition damage has no effect.
3. Retalation is power based but the clone is condition due the bleed but again -> boons.
4. Stacks confusion wich lasts just long enough for one attack -> 500 normal damage and 2000 confusion? Now as Power build its just reversed: 2000 normal and 500 confusion. Just examples, not real numbers. It’s about to send a message
5. Its broken. It works for the cc but it says 6x damage: “high number”. However it deals just once damage and that damage is approximately 1/6 of the “high number”. -> bug

A dps of 2k is weak. Power builds make 4k in general, about 6k in dungeons (no passive damage included (TW, vulnerability etc).

You would forget about “the crappy spear” ? That spear that deals 6k with 2? about 1.5k DpS with 1? Cleave (3 enemies)?? It also has a phantasm with a 1.5k~ dps aswell blink.

the trident does not scale the same as the spear with power and im going to leave you with this because i feel like im speaking to a wall, and im sorry for this but this is fact, if you are using the spear with your condition build to do your main source of damage you are a complete and utter moron (figuratively speaking). FACT

You know the power damage of any skill in the game scales the same? It’s a multiplicative system without base damage…
You don’t have to become angry just because you seem not to understand what I’m talking about. I say a Condition build binds you to the trident, a Power build doesn’t. You can go high dps melee or medium ranged. You can make use of sigil of battle and you can “ignore” your cd’s with swapping. And you also won’t deal less damage with the trident.

Xyonon.3987:

You know the power damage of any skill in the game scales the same? It’s a multiplicative system without base damage…
You don’t have to become angry just because you seem not to understand what I’m talking about. I say a Condition build binds you to the trident, a Power build doesn’t. You can go high dps melee or medium ranged. You can make use of sigil of battle and you can “ignore” your cd’s with swapping. And you also won’t deal less damage with the trident.

but you literally just said in your last post that you could use the spear with the con build WTF? and i meant comparative to each other, due to spear having a higher base power it scales better, you just said it yourself, its a multiplicative system -_- so if the tridents power is 10 and spear is 20 and the multiplier is 5 then spear will get 80 extra damage where the trident will only get 40 extra damage, are you starting to understand the word scaling? ill say it again, spear scales better than trident with power. and i apologise for getting angry but usually im all for opinion and debate over weps it promotes improvement but in this case youre simply wrong the moment you stop using trident you loose dps with a condi build, and the only reason i switch to trident with my power build is because my burst is on cooldown and id be stupid to go in for melee range with a spear, and hey the bleeds are OP so why not use them, in my opinion the trident needs nerfing.

Well maybe we both misunderstood each other a bit.
You think trident needs nerfing? How does it come? Aslong it deals less damage than the spear (even condition to power) it’s balanced. Keep in mind it’s a condition. If there is a 2nd mesmer using the trident your dps falls fast.

the reason why its not equal is because you burst with the spear then its all on a long cooldown, where as the tridents dps comes with no CD, its consistent, a power build with a spear does less “DPS” than a trident over say 1 minute.

I don’t think so. Since a power build is able to use the trident aswell, dealing about the same damage (more power, less bleed). The phantasms persist. Also why are you thinking is it impossible to melee with the spear? It deals great damage and has a built in dodge. You don’t have to be long in melee since 2 has a very short cd.

name me one situation where spear melee would come out on top against another class

Dude … OP talks about PvE … THAT explains a lot xD

Yeah but he says “specialized for condition damage”. So he can’t be talking about PvE.

Mesmer is pretty much epic under water. If you disagree you might be doing something wrong. I don’t care what your spec is, the wep skills are very very good.

There are other classes that would die for mesmer underwater capability (pun?).

Mesmer’s are not as good as they once were, especially after the bleed nerf. However, they are still above average to most other classes underwater because of the confusion (not real confusion) of hiding within your clones and the fact that most people already hate fighting underwater.

That said, rangers are definitely the most OP underwater.

I would love to be able to use Mesmer underwater weapons above water. Probably two of my favourite weapons to use (in terms of feel/gameplay rather then actual strength) and thats coming from somebody who doesn’t like underwater combat. Plus it would help with OoC maneuverability.