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Posted by: lawfan.7095

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I’ve tried playing a Mesmer for a couple of weeks now but am probably going to delete it. It is useless without any skills that do decent damage and the armor is useless as well since you have to fight at melee range. They also need a way to counter archers who can hit you at will with you not being able to do anything about it.

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Posted by: fadeaway.2807

fadeaway.2807

Agree. Please buff mesmers. Totally rubbish class.

Yup.

Honest.

Buffs please.

sneakysneaky

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Posted by: Aylaine.1036

Aylaine.1036

Mesmers…useless?

wut.

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Posted by: Embolism.8106

Embolism.8106

By “the armour” do you mean Chaos Armour? Because that doesn’t just work against melee attacks, it procs on ranged and AoE attacks too.

And Mesmers are one of the best professions at reflecting projectiles, if you have problems with ranged enemies I suggest you use them: skills like Mirror, Feedback, Mimic; and if traited Distortion, Temporal Curtain, Phantasmal Warden…

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Posted by: jportell.2197

jportell.2197

@Op play with me in some duels. Post nerf mesmer still is good not as good as before butnot bottom barrel

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Posted by: lawfan.7095

lawfan.7095

Not sure about the precise kind of armor but I know it’s light armor. In my opinion they need heavy armor like the warrior has just to survive at all. As It is right now meeting 2 ettins means instant death for me since the hit very hard and keep me knocked down all the time. And it takes 1-2 mins for me to kill just 1 of them. Not fun at all.

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Posted by: Gaidax.7835

Gaidax.7835

lol?

Yes, buff plx…

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Posted by: jportell.2197

jportell.2197

Not sure about the precise kind of armor but I know it’s light armor. In my opinion they need heavy armor like the warrior has just to survive at all. As It is right now meeting 2 ettins means instant death for me since the hit very hard and keep me knocked down all the time. And it takes 1-2 mins for me to kill just 1 of them. Not fun at all.

Take ur mesmer to PVP and mess around with builds. Leveling is painful but well worth it.

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Posted by: Razamatazz.9628

Razamatazz.9628

Not sure about the precise kind of armor but I know it’s light armor. In my opinion they need heavy armor like the warrior has just to survive at all. As It is right now meeting 2 ettins means instant death for me since the hit very hard and keep me knocked down all the time. And it takes 1-2 mins for me to kill just 1 of them. Not fun at all.

Ettins were tough for me at first as well, and yes, if you’re facing two of them and one gets you on the ground you’re toast. As others have mentioned the mesmer becomes much more effective as you level. The ability to make clones on dodge (deceptive evasion) makes a huge difference for survivability. As you get some of those key abilities things swing drastically in your favor. Learning enemies key abilities to dodge is absolutely necessary for the mesmer as well. You learned the hard way with those ettins (don’t worry same thing happened to me, I was all WTF was that!). The class is based around deception and confusion, I am always moving around, pumping out clones and phantasms, then shattering them to give myself the edge. It’s not a style for everyone and takes looking at fights in a different way, but once you do it’s great fun and very effective. I think of it as if I’m getting hit I’m doing it wrong. Try looking at it like that, it should help you out a lot.

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Posted by: KieronWolf.5108

KieronWolf.5108

Play warrior, guardian or ranger if you can’t put up with it. The class is pretty painful to level pre-40. With that said, it’s still one of my favorites.

Take out archers/mages asap. They’re much harder to kite compared to melee npc.

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Posted by: Godmoney.2048

Godmoney.2048

I’ve tried playing a Mesmer for a couple of weeks now but am probably going to delete it. It is useless without any skills that do decent damage and the armor is useless as well since you have to fight at melee range. They also need a way to counter archers who can hit you at will with you not being able to do anything about it.

Guy’s he’s just trolling you. Obvious troll is obvious.

He’s just trying to get a reaction.

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Posted by: ethereal.9780

ethereal.9780

I’ve tried playing a Mesmer for a couple of weeks now but am probably going to delete it. It is useless without any skills that do decent damage and the armor is useless as well since you have to fight at melee range. They also need a way to counter archers who can hit you at will with you not being able to do anything about it.

Either you are trolling, or just really impatient. My main is a mesmer with 1200 hours on it and its my fav class by far. Its probably one of the strongest classes in the game, if not the strongest all around. Its dull and weak at lower levels, but after 40-50 it really starts to shine.

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Posted by: Morehei.7859

Morehei.7859

troll-o-meter just essploded with an obviousness score of 11 out of 10 and a quality reaching maybe 1 out of 100.

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Posted by: Henrik.7560

Henrik.7560

Use phase retreat before those fat ettin losers use their knockdown, when they swing it back real far, double tap down key/.

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Posted by: lawfan.7095

lawfan.7095

I’ve got my Mesmer up to lvl 23 now and just realized that I could equip her with a 2 handed great sword and get the skills I’ve been looking for. Can finally deal with archers and can stand back out of the fight. Guess maybe I need to look at the wiki more often.

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Posted by: Pyroatheist.9031

Pyroatheist.9031

Guys…guys….guys….you’re killing me here.

Seriously, have you all devolved so far that you can’t spot a troll this obvious at 10 paces? Please don’t feed it.

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Posted by: Blackhat.4016

Blackhat.4016

I expected something creative. This troll is pretty lame…

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Posted by: Daishi.6027

Daishi.6027

continueing to feed the troll while I continue to solo vet/champ Karka, howling king, lupicus, ect.

Yup Mesmers we’re soo bad and totally useless.

“I control time and space; you can’t break free.~”
“Maybe I was the illusion all along!”

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Posted by: Celestina.2894

Celestina.2894

I refuse to believe this is anything but a crappy troll thread………..

one that people have fallen for, you should all be ashamed.

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Posted by: Flissy.4093

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Posted by: Crossplay.2067

Crossplay.2067

Guys…guys….guys….you’re killing me here.

Seriously, have you all devolved so far that you can’t spot a troll this obvious at 10 paces? Please don’t feed it.

I feel that we’ve been nerfed so much that we’re willing to agree with this troll on the off chance that we’ll get buffed or at least left alone. I wonder if this is what battered wife syndrome feels like.

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Posted by: Alchemist.3692

Alchemist.3692

I agree.. mesmers are far too useless. So much that we get targeted before any other class to put us out of our misery :‘( . ANet plz BUFF MESMERS we’re just useless and even in dungeons no one wants a mesmer. Have you ever seen requests for mesmers in arah or cof? /sarcasm

But on a serious note – I wonder if ANet will ever work on our traits. Some of them are in the most random places such as the torch cd trait in power when it’s typically used defensively and rarely do ppl spend that many points in power just to make use of the torch. Esp now that iMage is completely useless with an even more useless cd

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Posted by: jportell.2197

jportell.2197

I agree.. mesmers are far too useless. So much that we get targeted before any other class to put us out of our misery :‘( . ANet plz BUFF MESMERS we’re just useless and even in dungeons no one wants a mesmer. Have you ever seen requests for mesmers in arah or cof? /sarcasm

But on a serious note – I wonder if ANet will ever work on our traits. Some of them are in the most random places such as the torch cd trait in power when it’s typically used defensively and rarely do ppl spend that many points in power just to make use of the torch. Esp now that iMage is completely useless with an even more useless cd

I still make use of the torch and it is also in a condition duration line… Torch is in an okay place since its a condition damage weapon… But what about the scepter trait?! its a trait that gives condition damage in a vitality healing power line… kitten?

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Posted by: CrazyDuck.4610

CrazyDuck.4610

I’ve tried playing a Mesmer for a couple of weeks now but am probably going to delete it. It is useless without any skills that do decent damage and the armor is useless as well since you have to fight at melee range. They also need a way to counter archers who can hit you at will with you not being able to do anything about it.

Yup 100% useless now after the confusion nerf, totally agree and not being sarcastic. Only thing they are good for now is using siege and portal bombs.

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Posted by: Storm.3952

Storm.3952

To be fair, mesmers are a bit painful to level to start with, once you get rolling in the higher levels it’s such a different game it’s untrue.

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Posted by: Im Rubber.5321

Im Rubber.5321

That you say mesmer is useless is completely ignorant and stupid. I Play a rank 50 mesmer in PVP and they are far from useless. I have over 2000 games played on mesmer so i would know. Mesmers are not only one if the best classes but also one of the hardest we have to have highest reaction time out of all the classes and the best map awareness(right next to a thief of course) so to say that mesmer is useless when u have only played it for a couple of weeks is stupid.and mesmers dont have to stay in melee range its called positioning why dont u get some

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Posted by: Aiden.6209

Aiden.6209

It’s the player that’s useless. Not the profession

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Posted by: Lindbur.2537

Lindbur.2537

Play more mesmer before you come back and tell everyone how useless it is…

You want damage? Ok, roll a warrior. Just be warned that any decent mesmer will kick your kitten hard in a 1v1.

A remnant of times past.
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Posted by: jportell.2197

jportell.2197

Seriously… My confusion Mesmer can drop most people from full to zero in about 2 seconds with only one shatter… (FYI I use no shatter friendly traits mental torment, precise wrack etc) and I am doing fine where confusion is neutered… Do I wish I did more damage from it yes… but when you learn how to stack it right… Nuking people is fun and you are far from useless.

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Posted by: lawfan.7095

lawfan.7095

I’m sorry about this thread but I was upset when I made it after playing my Mesmer for hours yesterday and not being able to make much progress with it. I didn’t know about using the 2 handed sword which has done so much for me since I equipped one last night. That sword has changed things dramatically and made my Mesmer much easier and fun to play. I’ve got her up to lvl 30 now and so far things are going much better being able to start fights with my 2 handed sword and then changing to my sword and pistol when things get in close.

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Posted by: jportell.2197

jportell.2197

I’m sorry about this thread but I was upset when I made it after playing my Mesmer for hours yesterday and not being able to make much progress with it. I didn’t know about using the 2 handed sword which has done so much for me since I equipped one last night. That sword has changed things dramatically and made my Mesmer much easier and fun to play. I’ve got her up to lvl 30 now and so far things are going much better being able to start fights with my 2 handed sword and then changing to my sword and pistol when things get in close.

Wait so before you tried playing with all the weapons that a certain class has you come to the forums and gripe? That’s the first thing I do with any class I start is I unlock all weapon skills to see what I like best… :/

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Posted by: Osicat.4139

Osicat.4139

Had to test this “we are useless theory” after latets patch. Sharing my ressult.

/Osicat

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Posted by: Eclipse.1567

Eclipse.1567

So now Mesmers are able to kill guys who are already full handed by guards and supervisor of a supply camp?
Can you make the same test about how useful a mesmer is in large scale fights?

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Posted by: Carighan.6758

Carighan.6758

If I had to think of some buffs, how about these:

  • +100% Confusion damage in WvW
  • -30s CD on Portal
  • No more LoS limitation on Portal
  • Remove the ICD of Regen → Prot proc

Too early? :P

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Posted by: selan.8354

selan.8354

If I had to think of some buffs, how about these:

  • +100% Confusion damage in WvW
  • -30s CD on Portal
  • No more LoS limitation on Portal
  • Remove the ICD of Regen -> Prot proc

Too early? :P

nah honestly just restore confusion again 50 was over the top nerf, if it was really needed 15-25 percent would have been somewhat ok even though glam build got nerfed with the blinding befuddlement change already. los should stay the way it is for portals as it could be used to exploit in wvw

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Posted by: Winds.3087

Winds.3087

At first I was thinking topic starter acted as creature from northern poems, but then I saw what can power block do with my air ele and, well, agree.

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Posted by: CrazyDuck.4610

CrazyDuck.4610

Had to test this “we are useless theory” after latets patch. Sharing my ressult.

/Osicat

Try showing some large battles and see how useful you are instead of 1 on 1/1 on 2 etc. Mesmer after patch is useless in large battles which is 90% of the time which is the problem. Now maybe if feedback had a 5 second cooldown it would compensate for the 50% confusion nerf :P

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Posted by: Godmoney.2048

Godmoney.2048

Had to test this “we are useless theory” after latets patch. Sharing my ressult.

/Osicat

Try showing some large battles and see how useful you are instead of 1 on 1/1 on 2 etc. Mesmer after patch is useless in large battles which is 90% of the time which is the problem. Now maybe if feedback had a 5 second cooldown it would compensate for the 50% confusion nerf :P

I’m glad mesmers excel at small scale combat. Not every class has to be great at everything.

Calling Mesmer’s useless? Pathetic.

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Posted by: BioHaZarD.7904

BioHaZarD.7904

many many mesmers stoped playing and went to something else including me
last night commander asks in eb if there is any mesmer and no one answered lol

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Posted by: Bogbreath.8106

Bogbreath.8106

Don’t buy the ‘we are useless’ statement, we still offer a lot to a group with the right spec, it just means that we aren’t going to be the damage dealers that we we’re

Who knows.. perhaps this where the Dev’s want Mesmers to be.. a support class for ripping boons or curing conditions?

The changes do suck horribly.. the confusion nerf was FAR to harsh… no doubt based off the number of A D D sufferers who WvW and do not realize they have 5 stacks of it on them then cry relentlessly to anyone who will listen.

But yeah, even as a dyed in the wool Mesmer fan I do not enjoy playing it now as much as I use to and have started to have more fun with other professions

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Posted by: Godmoney.2048

Godmoney.2048

It is my hope that 80% of the mesmers do quit playing mesmer. Last few months so many mesmer’s running around it bugged me.

I liked it better at launch when everyone thought Ele’s and Mesmers sucked.

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Posted by: Dawdler.8521

Dawdler.8521

Last few months so many mesmer’s running around it bugged me.

True dat.

This morning I was scurrying about Eternal Battlegrounds lazily, killing some guards, looking up my own skirt, doing important things like that. I decided to cap the Dredge and they positivly loved me for it. So, I follow them towards enemy held Speldan, lo and behold there is activity there! A big Charr Warrior looks menacingly at me and my fellow Dredge. The Dredge ignore my plea to not engage and rush in like a tiny little brainless zerg – not really much different from regular zergs when I think about it. I have to help the poor things. I engage everything with Feedback, iWarden and Chaos Storm.

In a match of titans (ie a max size Norn and Charr) we battle each other while the Dredge and guards fight randomly. Some of the guards attack me, but luckily the Dredge veteran is holding aggro on the Supervisor. The Warrior quickly change tactics when his 100b fail him repeatedly (wutz dodge?!?!) and equip his rifle. I swap from my staff to my trusty flaming blade/ale mug and go up close, all the while I’m popping clones, illusions, everything I have all over the place. The guards still have to be kept occupied so I can focus on the Warrior.

Eventually, after several minutes of intense fighting, I bring the beast down in a flurry of clones. The supervisor and leftover guards are easily killed, even the Dredge veteran survived with 10% HP, the lucky kitten!

Anyway, long story short, I realized two things after the battle:

- All that fighting and not a single drop spillt from Ambrosia.
- HOLY kitten MESMERS ARE kittenING kitten ANNOYING TO FIGHT!!!

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Posted by: ichal.9504

ichal.9504

people sure are enjoying feeding this thread

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Posted by: BioHaZarD.7904

BioHaZarD.7904

IMO anet should make portable arrow carts for mesmers now lol

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Posted by: Luiz Swordbreaker.6547

Luiz Swordbreaker.6547

Had to test this “we are useless theory” after latets patch. Sharing my ressult.

/Osicat

Try showing some large battles and see how useful you are instead of 1 on 1/1 on 2 etc. Mesmer after patch is useless in large battles which is 90% of the time which is the problem. Now maybe if feedback had a 5 second cooldown it would compensate for the 50% confusion nerf :P

Mixed footage of pre-patch (glamour/confusion) and post-patch (Osicat’s shatter build). Still pretty effective IMO.

On the video I get downed a lot, but that’s mainly because that was my first day of playing the build with a zerker gear, after being used to 8 months of lots of toughness/vitality balls out front lining. So after some adapting and switching to shatter heavy, I’m surviving way longer.

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Posted by: hardloop von edgehoven.8512

hardloop von edgehoven.8512

most players suck (never made kholer or lupicus asf, never made anything else than skiprushbla haha). especially those ones with citadel of noob full equip and bigmouthing others while searching for other “pr0s”.
talking about builds without even knowing about class utilities.

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Posted by: bobross.5034

bobross.5034

Mesmers are probably weaker than most classes from lvls 1-40. Then they become amazing. It’s just all the class defining traits require 20 points in a line. For noob mesmers, stick it out, it gets better…or just craft till 40. Better yet, test it out in pvp a bit and see if you like the playstyle…it is very tricky to do well, but once you get it, it’s amazing, versatile and very specializable.

Also leave the OP alone, I had a similar frustration early on, and at least the guy had the guts to come back and correct himself.

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Posted by: Lightsbane.9012

Lightsbane.9012

mesmer is ‘not as good’ as before because the only build people could come up with was illusion spec’d confusion setups. been using Gsword since i made the class, only damper has been not being able to cast zerker on things i can’t see.

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Posted by: lortnoc.9624

lortnoc.9624

Had to test this “we are useless theory” after latets patch. Sharing my ressult.

/Osicat

You Sir are an awesome mesmer.
Watched the vid and was amazed. I myself do have something like 1,4k+ hours on my mesmer, but still seem to have missed a LOT of things.

A little more OT: Although the obvious troll is obvious, I ‘d like to say: If there is still room for new things to find out, new builds, new niches to be explored, can one ever say the mesmer is useless?
We are around eight(?) months into this game? You really think we ’ve got it aaaaaall figured out?
I don’t think so.

Have nice day everyone!

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Posted by: Sebrent.3625

Sebrent.3625

Mesmers lost an easy, one-trick pony build in WvW and now there is griping. I’m not surprised since this means the skill floor was raised in larger battles for Mesmer and not everyone can meet the now higher floor.

Mesmer is still extremely potent in large battles as well as small ones. If you can’t hack it, feel free to try a different class. I hear Thieves are still very forgiving of bad play :-p

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