Mesmers need to be toned down... a lot
dont forget about insane travel trough portals, unlimited party quickness, extreme contition dps and perma evades. And no casttime condi-remove and stability, unlimited stunbreaks, no cd dmg skill (mantras) with free toughtness boost
AND they can turn you into a moa!
And all withoud kitten casttimes or cooldowns!
Good, that the next l2p-patch could fix it all!
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Sarcasm is not an argument, mesmers are just plain OP now, both in live and beta. They have too many active defenses, some of them need to be removed. Mesmers should not have so many stealth options, that would be a good place to start.
Contrary to the hyperbole, the thief still out stealths the mesmer, by a lot. That was proven a few weeks ago when someone did a side by side comparison of a mesmer and a thief maintaining stealth. The mesmer stealth lasted a while, but the thief never left stealth in the whole period.
Both characters were just standing there and going through every stealth skill they had. The mesmer eventually ran into the cooldown limitations. The thief never did.
And by the way, mesmer damage is pretty low in comparison to the other classes, at least in pve.
TL:DR OP got killed in sPvP by a mesmer.
TL:DR OP got killed in sPvP by a mesmer.
it seems so
Mesmer players defending opness is expected, but Mesmers need their active defenses toned down. Messing up a burst combo then going stealth to wait for CD’s is not skill nor is it fun to play against in wvw/spvp. My suggestion is to lose stealth on mesmers so if they mess up of their burst rotation they get punished and not have invis to fall back on.
Messing up a burst combo then going stealth to wait for CD’s is not skill nor is it fun to play against in wvw/spvp.
So, you advocate nerfing thieves?
Actions, not words.
Remember, remember, 15th of November
Remember, remember, 15th of November
Mesmer players defending opness is expected, but Mesmers need their active defenses toned down. Messing up a burst combo then going stealth to wait for CD’s is not skill nor is it fun to play against in wvw/spvp. My suggestion is to lose stealth on mesmers so if they mess up of their burst rotation they get punished and not have invis to fall back on.
Main an engineer, killed many Mesmers over the weekend. So by your logic, Engineer is more OP than Mesmer. So in the end we really need to …
Nerf Engie.
/s
show me this 6/6/6/6/6/6/ build
Messing up a burst combo then going stealth to wait for CD’s is not skill nor is it fun to play against in wvw/spvp.
So, you advocate nerfing thieves?
No, I play a thief and they are fine. Thieves are balanced by being very squishy outside of stealth, this is not the case for mesmers. This is why mesmer’s should have their stealth capabilities severely weakened. If not stealth then there are other active defenses that can be toned down.
Mesmer players defending opness is expected, but Mesmers need their active defenses toned down. Messing up a burst combo then going stealth to wait for CD’s is not skill nor is it fun to play against in wvw/spvp. My suggestion is to lose stealth on mesmers so if they mess up of their burst rotation they get punished and not have invis to fall back on.
Main an engineer, killed many Mesmers over the weekend. So by your logic, Engineer is more OP than Mesmer. So in the end we really need to …
Nerf Engie.
/s
No i think engi’s are fine, this topic is about mesmers, learn to read.
Mesmer players defending opness is expected, but Mesmers need their active defenses toned down. Messing up a burst combo then going stealth to wait for CD’s is not skill nor is it fun to play against in wvw/spvp. My suggestion is to lose stealth on mesmers so if they mess up of their burst rotation they get punished and not have invis to fall back on.
Main an engineer, killed many Mesmers over the weekend. So by your logic, Engineer is more OP than Mesmer. So in the end we really need to …
Nerf Engie.
/s
No i think engi’s are fine, this topic is about mesmers, learn to read.
maybe we should nerf first this thread and after that mesmer, engi and the thief that killed an engi? O.o
show me this 6/6/6/6/6/6/ build
Right here:
Right from the author:
“After experimenting with PU for a couple of months and everyone figuring out how OP it is, I decided to revisit my roots again. "
Mesmer’s know how OP their profession is at the moment, I’m surprised it’s taking Arena Net so long to balance it. They are usually good with these things.
Mesmer players defending opness is expected, but Mesmers need their active defenses toned down. Messing up a burst combo then going stealth to wait for CD’s is not skill nor is it fun to play against in wvw/spvp. My suggestion is to lose stealth on mesmers so if they mess up of their burst rotation they get punished and not have invis to fall back on.
Main an engineer, killed many Mesmers over the weekend. So by your logic, Engineer is more OP than Mesmer. So in the end we really need to …
Nerf Engie.
/s
No i think engi’s are fine, this topic is about mesmers, learn to read.
maybe we should nerf first this thread and after that mesmer, engi and the thief that killed an engi? O.o
Sarcasm is not an argument, when you get older you will understand this.
Roll a mesmer during the BWs, do some pvp and wvw and then you can talk about mesmers being “op”. Ah, also try to do damage in pve with your “op” mesmer…. seriously.
chronomancer definitely needs some nerfs.
Thieves are more fragile than the mesmer, that is true, however the thief has better stealth and hits for far more damage than the mesmer could ever hope for. Thus they are balanced.
Chronomancer, at least in terms of Stronghold, are beyond broken. They make that game mode look like its playground, and in general are a bit too strong. So that’s my 2 cents, no need for personal attacks or Mesmer lashes, they simply have too much utility going for them in the game mode and have fairly little counter.
Not sure about conquest/x though, haven’t been interested in co quest in well over a year.
High Warlord Sikari (80 Reaper) / Lord Siekron (80 DH)
Warlord Sikari (80 Scrapper)
Warlord Sikari (80 Scrapper)
If that is true about the chronomancer, it is about time that the mesmer got something powerful in pve. I haven’t beta’d so have no opinion about the chronomancer.
Oh god, this just got moved to Mesmer Forum? This will end well. :P
High Warlord Sikari (80 Reaper) / Lord Siekron (80 DH)
Warlord Sikari (80 Scrapper)
Warlord Sikari (80 Scrapper)
mesmers are just plain OP now
They should not have so many stealth options
No, I play a thief and they are fine.
Hypocrisy much? I find it highly amusing that a backstabbing kitten wants to say, ASSassins can kill mesmers but cry when the opposite happens.
After experimenting with PU
So because of 1(!) trait’s perceived OPness you want to nerf an entire class just so you could feel pro by getting free kills from mesmers again? The force is strong in this one.
Messing up a burst combo then going stealth to wait for CD’s is not skill nor is it fun to play against in wvw/spvp.
So, you advocate nerfing thieves?
No, I play a thief and they are fine.
Somehow i have figured this will be an answer.
Thieves are balanced by being very squishy outside of stealth, this is not the case for mesmers. This is why mesmer’s should have their stealth capabilities severely weakened. If not stealth then there are other active defenses that can be toned down.
That was not your argument. Your argument was specifically, let me quote that for you again: “Messing up a burst combo then going stealth to wait for CD’s is not skill nor is it fun to play against in wvw/spvp.”. You have just described thieves. So, if you want to nerf Mesmers because of that, you should want to nerf thieves as well.
…but of course you wouldn’t want that, because you play a thief.
Actions, not words.
Remember, remember, 15th of November
Remember, remember, 15th of November
Mesmers can’t have it all, stealth longer than theives, blinks, invuln on sword, instant ranged damage on greatsword with no travel time, high spike damage, interrupts and stuns. Mesmers are OP already on live and in HoT they are broken. Its time to nerf some of their active defenses if they are going to keep their high damage output. It is getting ridiculous.
/Agree
Black Thunders [BT] – Gandara
Since the discussion in this thread has derailed and is no longer constructive this thread is now closed.