Guild Wars 2

Nomad’s Endurance should grant condition damage OR power, based on which stat is highest for the mesmer. There isn’t even a choice because it’s a minor trait, so it should at least be beneficial for both.

Here is Firebrands equivalent minor trait.

Gain increased attributes while affected by quickness:

Condition Damage: 250
Healing Power: 250
Toughness: 250

To be fair, quickness is usually a lot more scarce of a boon whereas vigor will be basically 100% uptime no matter what with mirage.

Yeah at least would be better if it was 100 Power and Condi or something similar that benefits both builds.

Fay.2357:

To be fair, quickness is usually a lot more scarce of a boon whereas vigor will be basically 100% uptime no matter what with mirage.

How do you come to that conclusion?

Ithilwen.1529:

Fay.2357:

To be fair, quickness is usually a lot more scarce of a boon whereas vigor will be basically 100% uptime no matter what with mirage.

How do you come to that conclusion?

Minor in mirage that gives vigor on shatter, heal that gives vigor, minor in dueling that gives vigor on crit.

Yeah Vigor is more easily obtained. But there’s been calculations on Firebrand’s ability to maintain party wide permaquickness.

You have to intentionally build for quickness uptime though. Mesmer can otherwise accidentally have high or perma Vigor uptime. However easy it is for Firebrand to maintain quickness, its easier for a Mirage to maintain Vigor.

Nomad’s Endurance should just grant you a few stacks of might whenever you gain vigor or pulse might while you have vigor. That would boost condi and power damage alike and would be alot more interesting and thematically fitting than just the flat out increase.

Ghotistyx.6942:

You have to intentionally build for quickness uptime though. Mesmer can otherwise accidentally have high or perma Vigor uptime. However easy it is for Firebrand to maintain quickness, its easier for a Mirage to maintain Vigor.

In pvp and wvw it might be .

In pve , nope . perma quickness is granted by boon bot while vigor is not .

and in wvw and pvp , this firebrand trait combined with their tome skills and how easily firebrand apply quickness . those stats are still too much . its 750 stats . pure ridiculous if you look at other class self buff , 150 is not that good in the age of 220 stats or 20% duration or 20% dmg buff .

also by your logic :something that is harder to achieve should have better effect in this case chrono should have better quickness uptime and more to add on that comparing with firebrand far easier quickness rotation .

its same for firebrand mantra ,3 charges with better effect for each charge usage .
and somehow anet didnt apply that BS (more charge =player burn through charge to gain final greater effect )to firebrand mantra .

anet just fixed our staff and torch cdr traits after almost 2 years. i just wish for cd and stuff like mantra or stats buff , they could give us same standard treatment as other classes.

musu.9205:

Ghotistyx.6942:

You have to intentionally build for quickness uptime though. Mesmer can otherwise accidentally have high or perma Vigor uptime. However easy it is for Firebrand to maintain quickness, its easier for a Mirage to maintain Vigor.

In pvp and wvw it might be .

In pve , nope . perma quickness is granted by boon bot while vigor is not .

and in wvw and pvp , this firebrand trait combined with their tome skills and how easily firebrand apply quickness . those stats are still too much . its 750 stats . pure ridiculous if you look at other class self buff , 150 is not that good in the age of 220 stats or 20% duration or 20% dmg buff .

also by your logic :something that is harder to achieve should have better effect in this case chrono should have better quickness uptime and more to add on that comparing with firebrand far easier quickness rotation .

its same for firebrand mantra ,3 charges with better effect for each charge usage .
and somehow anet didnt apply that BS (more charge =player burn through charge to gain final greater effect )to firebrand mantra .

anet just fixed our staff and torch cdr traits after almost 2 years. i just wish for cd and stuff like mantra or stats buff , they could give us same standard treatment as other classes.

In PvE it’s super easy to get and keep up permenant vigor, even more so now most condition builds are the top damage dealers as druids will be bringing sun spirit which traited grants vigor. This is then shared via the chronos, even without sun spirit druids would be granting vigor on pet swap that gets shared = permenant.

Those mantras from what we’ve seen have 25s cool downs so you need to stagger your quickness application with the mantra cool down trait competing with the trait giving quickness on aegis/stab so you can’t pick both at the same time.

The fire brand will have to trait and invest in boon duration to keep up high levels of quickness, remember it’s 2s base quickness for most of the traits, that isn’t much without boon duration which just got harder to keep up since the last patch.

Firebrand would need 100% boon duration as well as Loremaster, another mantra and most likely stalwart speed to get good duration on quickness. That’s at least 2 major traits (probably 3 as they’d need honourable staff) and a significant investment in concentration. No matter which way you cut it, it’s trivial for mesmers to maintain over 50% vigor uptime regardless of game mode.

I agree with an earlier post, pulsing might while you have vigor would be better for power and condition builds, assuming ANet wants this to be played with power stats.

apharma.3741:

musu.9205:

Ghotistyx.6942:

You have to intentionally build for quickness uptime though. Mesmer can otherwise accidentally have high or perma Vigor uptime. However easy it is for Firebrand to maintain quickness, its easier for a Mirage to maintain Vigor.

In pvp and wvw it might be .

In pve , nope . perma quickness is granted by boon bot while vigor is not .

and in wvw and pvp , this firebrand trait combined with their tome skills and how easily firebrand apply quickness . those stats are still too much . its 750 stats . pure ridiculous if you look at other class self buff , 150 is not that good in the age of 220 stats or 20% duration or 20% dmg buff .

also by your logic :something that is harder to achieve should have better effect in this case chrono should have better quickness uptime and more to add on that comparing with firebrand far easier quickness rotation .

its same for firebrand mantra ,3 charges with better effect for each charge usage .
and somehow anet didnt apply that BS (more charge =player burn through charge to gain final greater effect )to firebrand mantra .

anet just fixed our staff and torch cdr traits after almost 2 years. i just wish for cd and stuff like mantra or stats buff , they could give us same standard treatment as other classes.

In PvE it’s super easy to get and keep up permenant vigor, even more so now most condition builds are the top damage dealers as druids will be bringing sun spirit which traited grants vigor. This is then shared via the chronos, even without sun spirit druids would be granting vigor on pet swap that gets shared = permenant.

Those mantras from what we’ve seen have 25s cool downs so you need to stagger your quickness application with the mantra cool down trait competing with the trait giving quickness on aegis/stab so you can’t pick both at the same time.

The fire brand will have to trait and invest in boon duration to keep up high levels of quickness, remember it’s 2s base quickness for most of the traits, that isn’t much without boon duration which just got harder to keep up since the last patch.

Firebrand would need 100% boon duration as well as Loremaster, another mantra and most likely stalwart speed to get good duration on quickness. That’s at least 2 major traits (probably 3 as they’d need honourable staff) and a significant investment in concentration. No matter which way you cut it, it’s trivial for mesmers to maintain over 50% vigor uptime regardless of game mode.

I agree with an earlier post, pulsing might while you have vigor would be better for power and condition builds, assuming ANet wants this to be played with power stats.

firebrand mantra cd we only know is count recharge cd not the actual cd .they do have to invest to apply quickness but lets be honest here , its no where near how much chrono build invests/

and firebrand gains 750 total stats no matter how you compare those two traits , one must be off .even those traits that increase your stat for xxx second after stunbreak
or interrupt are nowhere close to 750 .

i meant yes , we should not directly compare skills or traits on different classes. but thats 5 times of stats gain than other class while pvp dev saying we dont like a build with 2 defensive stats . 250 condi dmg 250 healing power 250 toughness on a spec that has tome skills to rapid heal and doing condi dmg also heavy armor .
also 220 condi dmg gain on vigor is on bar with other elite spec , not i think its a good move . but mes is certainly left behind . i much prefer anet nerf others back to 150 stats gain for something so passive since the pvp amulets were balanced around that .

oh firebrand mantra is indeed 25s cd i was mistaken .

musu.9205:

and firebrand gains 750 total stats no matter how you compare those two traits , one must be off .even those traits that increase your stat for xxx second after stunbreak

Rousing Resilience. 2k heal and 1000 Toughness on stunbreak, 8s duration. 80% uptime with Outrage, which is still min 1.6k health and 800 Toughness.

I agree with 1 of musu’s points in that Firebrand getting 750 stats while under the effects of quickness, as a minor no less, is beyond absurd. Just ridiculous powercreep. That should be toned down to be more in line with what other classes can get on minors.

I do not agree with pulsing might when we have vigor, it would make the trait pretty useless in coordinated groups that already have no problem reaching 25 stacks. It would be better to just give us condition damage and power damage instead.