Guild Wars 2

Well how can I say…

The chronomancer is invincible. He has a 8 sec block (shield + continuum), a quasy perma invulnerability (that only mesmer can have…). He has more stealth duration than the thief. With all this he is perma invulnerable. More than one month after HoT, Anet did not equilibrate anything. They got their HoT money… PvE is useless (I killed Mordremmoth, great… I wanted a season 3 history so mutch…) so I come in 100% PvP. Mostly on 1v1 servers. And I get ganked by a mesmer. I try all my characters, but nothing to do if I cant even hit him.

Chromomancer is the worst 1v1er in the meta.

Game isn’t balanced around 1v1
Play in an actual PvP server
There are stronger 1v1 Classes then Chronomancer
Mesmers can’t put 6 points in every line at the same time so it can’t do everything you are claiming it can
Using Continuum for double block is a waste of Continuum
Anet should delete PvP

I agree. And while we are at it we should also nerf the 50k DPS of mesmer along with perma 40 might and 6 stacks of aegis! Along with the portaling across the map every 10 seconds and the perma moa and 2,500 range on scepter auto attack that can apply 25-30 stacks of confusion and cripple!

I like to use Zerkerberker with sigil of might, burst those shield Mesmers while blocking. They don’t even see it coming.

EZ
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Learn2play (zerkerberker :D)

I diagnose this as a terminal case of PEBKAC.

lol, you got ‘ganked’ by a mesmer in dueling server…
What can I say. Tell him to show some manner and kitten off?

Sounds like you just got outplayed, OP. Learn, adapt, and better yourself or throw a hissy fit on the forums… your choice.

ROMANG.1903:

Well how can I say…

The chronomancer is invincible. He has a 8 sec block (shield + continuum), a quasy perma invulnerability (that only mesmer can have…). He has more stealth duration than the thief. With all this he is perma invulnerable. More than one month after HoT, Anet did not equilibrate anything. They got their HoT money… PvE is useless (I killed Mordremmoth, great… I wanted a season 3 history so mutch…) so I come in 100% PvP. Mostly on 1v1 servers. And I get ganked by a mesmer. I try all my characters, but nothing to do if I cant even hit him.

Let us try to be constructive, I am patient today…

• 8 sec block (shield + continuum): honestly, you do not use continuum shift to block, you use it to cast useful skills. After continuum shift, all your CD come back, so you can’t use it to stall waiting for your heal (your heal will come back to its previous CD). So realistically, it is a 4s block, which you can negate easily by using unblockable skills (there are many out there now) or not attacking during the first block, thereby preventing “déjà vu”. Just in case you’re wondering, the shield is so strong that Helseth (one of the best mesmers in PvP) explained it was not viable.
• a quasy perma invulnerability: yes, by using blocks + evades we can survive quite some time. But not perma by any mean, and don’t forget that while we block, dodge we don’t do damage, and blurred frenzy roots us in place, so it is easily avoided (and also countered by shocking aura or retaliation).
• stealth: we definitely don’t have more stealth duration than a thief (not anymore at least), and we cannot have stealth AND blocks/evades. Typically we either use torch (stealth) or shield (block), and either decoy (stealth) or well of precognition (evade). So you list things which simply cannot coexist in the same build. And I’d like to say that stealth has now a lot of counterplay too, which is a big reason why thief is in such a bad spot in the current meta.
• while I am also sad a-net did not do any balance change, mesmer/chronomancer is far from the main offender. Just have a look at tournaments and see that there are not so many mesmers out there. The reason: it is far from being the best class currently.

I’d love to be able to take all the traitlines, all the options at each tier in the traitlines, let’s say at least 6 utility slots, 3 elite slots and be able to wield 4 weapons at the same time…

ROMANG.1903:

Well how can I say…
The chronomancer is invincible.

You shouldn’t loose to power crono of the same skill at 1×1 unless got moaed (1×1 server usually forbids to use moa though).
If you wanna some advises – show your class/build, how you get beaten, etc.

I don’t understand how you “cant even hit him” This whole thing sounds like a “you” problem.

If my vid editing software were working I’d totally edit up a montage for this

> more stealth duration than the thief.
> perma invulnerability
> cant even hit him.
topkek

I am invincible! (apparently)

guys you have to agree that bunker well mesmer can handle himself and not handling 1v1 situation

it seems he fought this build rather the power build and lost to it…

power build tend to take torch and not shield so far even after the patch…

messiah.1908:

guys you have to agree that bunker well mesmer can handle himself and not handling 1v1 situation

it seems he fought this build rather the power build and lost to it…

power build tend to take torch and not shield so far even after the patch…

Yes but you don’t have to die to a bunker well mesmer.

I do not main Mesmer but I can tell from your post: terrible exaggeration, horrid statement, distorted perception and rage-infused request. You seems to portray Mesmer as a godlike contender (e.g. invincible, perma invisible, super block) while offering no insight to the problem.

You do not know or understand any mechanism why a mesmer can pull off such feat. That is the problem. Instead of shouting “NERF NERF NERF WTF”, learn to read – play – and learn from mistake. I am so fed up with the childish behavior under the name of “balancing”.

Instead of nerfing mesmer, they should give some buffs to thief. That seems to be the real problem here.

TheFrighteningFrenchFry.3275:

I agree. And while we are at it we should also nerf the 50k DPS of mesmer along with perma 40 might and 6 stacks of aegis! Along with the portaling across the map every 10 seconds and the perma moa and 2,500 range on scepter auto attack that can apply 25-30 stacks of confusion and cripple!

A truly mesmerising statement

In the spirit of trying to be a little helpful despite the opening post being a bit over the top, here are a couple of fights of me fighting and losing playing my chrono vs another chrono in WvW duels.

https://youtu.be/18rGBjmdC0I

https://youtu.be/PJpSD_qw9X8

Hopefully this shows that neither of these chrono builds has anywhere near complete invulnerability and it gives you a sense of how different chrono builds play (granted, I make a ton of mistakes, but you can at least see what the different builds are trying to do).

While I think chrono is strong in 1v1 fights, if you’re going to be having those fights, my recommendation is to record a few fights so you can see what’s happening. Bandicam is free, and I learn a ton from going back and watching my mistakes.

Where are you OP?

eldenbri.1059:

In the spirit of trying to be a little helpful despite the opening post being a bit over the top, here are a couple of fights of me fighting and losing playing my chrono vs another chrono in WvW duels.

https://youtu.be/18rGBjmdC0I

https://youtu.be/PJpSD_qw9X8

Hopefully this shows that neither of these chrono builds has anywhere near complete invulnerability and it gives you a sense of how different chrono builds play (granted, I make a ton of mistakes, but you can at least see what the different builds are trying to do).

While I think chrono is strong in 1v1 fights, if you’re going to be having those fights, my recommendation is to record a few fights so you can see what’s happening. Bandicam is free, and I learn a ton from going back and watching my mistakes.

I think the one he is referring to is the meta one.

Which has the evade well, blurred frenzy, f5, distortion, blocks galore, etc.

lets face it mesmer condi build+stealth is pretty op
ive never seen a class win a 3v1 before chronomancer came out. I can’t say the others were skilled but i know i am(wvw roamer) and its pretty crazy the amount of invun i was seeing getting and condition spam and mesmer clones suck up slingle target skills/condi too well >.>

emendez.3705:

….wvw roamer…

Checked out at about this part.

emendez.3705:

I can’t say the others were skilled but i know i am

Trust me guys, I’m totally awesome for real!

Fay.2357:

emendez.3705:

I can’t say the others were skilled but i know i am

Trust me guys, I’m totally awesome for real!

Sounds like its time he upskilled.

emendez.3705:

lets face it mesmer condi build+stealth is pretty op
ive never seen a class win a 3v1 before chronomancer came out. I can’t say the others were skilled but i know i am(wvw roamer) and its pretty crazy the amount of invun i was seeing getting and condition spam and mesmer clones suck up slingle target skills/condi too well >.>

>mesmer condi build+stealth is pretty op
may be your build or the guy that face that mesmer were not spec to face a condi build because i am sure that if you said that the current condi mesmer is op you have not read the list of condi mesmer nerf since day one (the 20th patch).
>3v1
the other two were newbie or…. wtf you gank on a condi mesmer with 3 guys and lose?!?!?!

Pls stop feeding troll thread, the op post is so stupid that i dont know where to start…

I dont understand why u think OP is a troll..

Lets say hes a thief.. He goes stealth.

You can then.
Blurred frenzy
Block
Dodge
Block
Dodge
Well of precognition
Continium Split
Blurred Frenzy
+refilled dodges

Can someone count how many seconds of evade+block that is?

Kaffeglass.5371:

I dont understand why u think OP is a troll..

Lets say hes a thief.. He goes stealth.

You can then.
Blurred frenzy
Block
Dodge
Block
Dodge
Well of precognition
Continium Split
Blurred Frenzy
+refilled dodges

Can someone count how many seconds of evade+block that is?

And then once all that is gone, the thief pops out of stealth and kills you. If you tried to attack the mesmer during that, you’re just an awful player.

“if you try to attack a mesmer during the first 10seconds, ure an aweful player”….

Well, after those 10 seconds i finally can land a hit, and then he has distortion

Kaffeglass.5371:

“if you try to attack a mesmer during the first 10seconds, ure an aweful player”….

Well, after those 10 seconds i finally can land a hit, and then he has distortion

Or you could learn to play and bait out the defenses like all the other skilled players do.

Kaffeglass.5371:

I dont understand why u think OP is a troll..

Lets say hes a thief.. He goes stealth.

You can then.
Blurred frenzy
Block
Dodge
Block
Dodge
Well of precognition
Continium Split
Blurred Frenzy
+refilled dodges

Can someone count how many seconds of evade+block that is?

In a 1v1 thief vs mesmer, if mesmer goes defensive, it is very easy for thief to match up and recover cooldowns way easier because of class mechanics.

The only way mesmer wins against thief is to go offensive and force thief to make mistake.

Quadox.7834:

Chromomancer is the worst 1v1er in the meta.

^
This.

Thanks OP. We get too see all the forum warriors come out of the woodwork to defend mesmer. Priceless.

If there is a Chronomancer nerf cuz of bloc, so is Rev, Guardian, Warrior, Druid for the same reasons.

Stand The Wall.6987:

Thanks OP. We get too see all the forum warriors come out of the woodwork to defend mesmer. Priceless.

Just because some people are too bad to beat a chrono doesn’t mean everybody else shares the same problems.

Kaffeglass.5371:

I dont understand why u think OP is a troll..

Lets say hes a thief.. He goes stealth.

You can then.
Blurred frenzy
Block
Dodge
Block
Dodge
Well of precognition
Continium Split
Blurred Frenzy
+refilled dodges

Can someone count how many seconds of evade+block that is?

So what do you do if another class blows all their dodges, blocks, defensive skills all in a row?

Two things are happening if a Mesmer decides to chain all these skills:
1. They aren’t attacking you. They aren’t summoning damaging phantasms, and Condi builds are kitten at the moment so clones AA is negligable.
2. They are wasting key cooldowns/stunbreaks for no reason, leaving them sitting ducks once this godmode rotation ends.

Also without this active defence, mesmer’s hp is destroyed very quickly in power builds.
And condition build’s offensive pressure is very poor even if they can spec for more toughness.

Curunen.8729:

Kaffeglass.5371:

I dont understand why u think OP is a troll..

Lets say hes a thief.. He goes stealth.

You can then.
Blurred frenzy
Block
Dodge
Block
Dodge
Well of precognition
Continium Split
Blurred Frenzy
+refilled dodges

Can someone count how many seconds of evade+block that is?

So what do you do if another class blows all their dodges, blocks, defensive skills all in a row?

Two things are happening if a Mesmer decides to chain all these skills:
1. They aren’t attacking you. They aren’t summoning damaging phantasms, and Condi builds are kitten at the moment so clones AA is negligable.
2. They are wasting key cooldowns/stunbreaks for no reason, leaving them sitting ducks once this godmode rotation ends.

Also without this active defence, mesmer’s hp is destroyed very quickly in power builds.
And condition build’s offensive pressure is very poor even if they can spec for more toughness.

Thats not true, if he hits u when ure blocking he gets slowed.
Well of cog u can do burst when your evading, same as Distortion.

Main difference here is that its a mindgame between thiefs dodges and mesmers evades/blocks..
Think mesmer has the upperhand since he can dmg while hes evading..
I can beat alot of good mesmers, i just have to w8 a looooong time and dodge everything perfectly before i can pressure him.

Kaffeglass.5371:

I dont understand why u think OP is a troll..

Lets say hes a thief.. He goes stealth.

You can then.
Blurred frenzy
Block
Dodge
Block
Dodge
Well of precognition
Continium Split
Blurred Frenzy
+refilled dodges

Can someone count how many seconds of evade+block that is?

Um…why doesn’t the thief run off and go to +1 another fight while the mesmer is sitting there chaining evades?

Um.. Sure he can… He can also go decap far, right?

Kaffeglass.5371:

Um.. Sure he can… He can also go decap far, right?

All I’m saying is, last time I tried the bunker chrono build, I kept finding myself in 1v1 situations (because I hadn’t adapted to the different role)…and the enemy usually just ran off and killed my buddies, because I was not very mobile.
I mean, that’s what thieves do, right?

It also occurs to me that this might actually be a use case for Tripwire, which is interesting. Don’t see it used much.

Kaffeglass.5371:

Curunen.8729:

Kaffeglass.5371:

I dont understand why u think OP is a troll..

Lets say hes a thief.. He goes stealth.

You can then.
Blurred frenzy
Block
Dodge
Block
Dodge
Well of precognition
Continium Split
Blurred Frenzy
+refilled dodges

Can someone count how many seconds of evade+block that is?

So what do you do if another class blows all their dodges, blocks, defensive skills all in a row?

Two things are happening if a Mesmer decides to chain all these skills:
1. They aren’t attacking you. They aren’t summoning damaging phantasms, and Condi builds are kitten at the moment so clones AA is negligable.
2. They are wasting key cooldowns/stunbreaks for no reason, leaving them sitting ducks once this godmode rotation ends.

Also without this active defence, mesmer’s hp is destroyed very quickly in power builds.
And condition build’s offensive pressure is very poor even if they can spec for more toughness.

Thats not true, if he hits u when ure blocking he gets slowed.
Well of cog u can do burst when your evading, same as Distortion.

Main difference here is that its a mindgame between thiefs dodges and mesmers evades/blocks..
Think mesmer has the upperhand since he can dmg while hes evading..
I can beat alot of good mesmers, i just have to w8 a looooong time and dodge everything perfectly before i can pressure him.

iAvengers do nothing in terms of damage so a mesmer isn’t attacking while they are blocking with shield. Also they spawn at the end of the block so while the mesmer is blocking they are doing little else – stop attacking when they block and maybe kite to avoid a melee damage burst at the end of their block. Players will get used to anticipating F1 burst at the end of shield block in melee range in the same way as they got used to anticipating prestige/MB/F1.

The only one you can actually do serious damage in is WoPrecognition – but let’s not forget that’s one utility slot on a long cooldown which also usually means no Decoy, or no Portal or no condi cleanse (assuming most non-bunker mesmers still use Blink). Hence using it means maybe one stunbreak remaining so chaining it in some crazy defensive rotation is a total waste compared to using it at the right time.

Distortion to cover burst/heal/etc has always been there so I don’t see an issue with it.

Let’s not take a stab at mesmer because thief currently happens to be in n awful state, because Herald, Scrapper, Reaper, DH and even Druid are just as powerful if not more powerful than Chrono. Instead focus on buffing thief in thief forums.

Stand The Wall.6987:

Thanks OP. We get too see all the forum warriors come out of the woodwork to defend mesmer. Priceless.

Mesmer doesnt even need defending from the OP, honestly.

Chrono dies to my Berserker Warrior. Nuff said. Totally learn to play issue. As long as you know what you’re doing, and bring the right tools, you can get the job done.

Thief needs buff = nerf mesmer. Logical argument.

Let me guess, next one invincible to OP is guardian, ranger, warrior, engineer, elementalist, necromancer and revenant.

Ross Biddle.2367:

Stand The Wall.6987:

Thanks OP. We get too see all the forum warriors come out of the woodwork to defend mesmer. Priceless.

Mesmer doesnt even need defending from the OP, honestly.

Chrono dies to my Berserker Warrior. Nuff said. Totally learn to play issue. As long as you know what you’re doing, and bring the right tools, you can get the job done.

+ insert infinity symbol

Only class that doesnt fit into beta is imo thief and warrior…
Mesmer is nice because of portal and Moa.

Fay.2357:

And then once all that is gone, the thief pops out of stealth and kills you. If you tried to attack the mesmer during that, you’re just an awful player.

Or he just walks away, leaving you with CDs and nothing to show for it. Since the Thief popped stealth for all you know he did kill someone in the meantime, while you stood there looking stupid with that purple glow around you.

WvW roamers… sigh.

I didn’t read all of this but I’d like to add:
Mesmer blocks last a max of 4 1/2s (with continuum) when you just don’t mindlessly hit them while they’re blocking