Need tips against condition/shatter build

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Posted by: Psybunny.8906

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Since I’ve played a bit of mesmer myself I’m familiar with the basics and I have no trouble against power/phantasm builds, but there is one type of build in tournas that absolutely destroys me when I meet him 1v1.

I’m playing glass gs warr, because it’s pretty much the only viable warr spec for tpvp atm. I carry a stunbreak and I think I have decent reflexes.

I believe the type of build I meet has condition creation on clone destroying and weaponsets sw+p/gs. I get overwhelmed and stunlocked pretty fast when he catches me unaware. I think the combo might go something like this izerker->swap->pistol 5 while generating clones by dodge+sword 3 or utility->shatter->sword burst with iduelist. My guess is probably off, so I would love some tips/tactics how to handle those situations better, how that type of build plays and it’s overall strenghts/weaknesses.

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Posted by: Fay.2735

Fay.2735

That sounds like a power build not shatter, Shatter builds generally use Scepter for confusion stacking.

Though I’m a power build and favour shattering my illusions for the conditions as I’m not specced for phantasms and they’d die quickly so useless after their initial burst. It’s good to shatter them for the distortion, daze and confusion to keep myself alive.

So I suppose in a way I’m a shatter build as well but you can’t really have a power build without the shatter unless you go phantasm.

You will face a lot of cripples, immobilization, distortion. Be careful not to use your abilities when the Mesmer has distortion on them as they can’t be hurt and you’re just wasting your abilities that way. Wait till it runs out then use your major damage skills.

Power build Mesmers rely heavily on the distortion/daze/cripples to stay alive but they are only able to use the distortion twice, one is the second ability on sword and the other the number 4 shatter. So you have some time between these uses to do damage.

My advice is have abilities that combat cripples and immobilization and wait for distortion to run out to use major damage abilities.

Also keep in mind that when you have confusion on you, you take damage whenever you attack (red swirly symbol) so condition removal that so you don’t hurt yourself by attacking.

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Posted by: Qelris.6901

Qelris.6901

That sounds like a power build not shatter, Shatter builds generally use Scepter for confusion stacking.

Huh.. I’d like to see a single shatter build using a scepter if possible. As far as I know, scepters are only used for the confusion in a condition heavy build. Shatter builds are usually a Sword with an off hand coupled with a Staff or a GS.

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Posted by: quercus.9261

quercus.9261

OP: that is a straight shatter build that you are fighting. He is hitting you with confusion on shatter/death so he is likely 10 30 0 0 30 or something.

Everything depends on him stunning you with pistol, getting his clones up and getting in 600 range for his swap/blurred frenzy.

Not sure what you can do.. stun removal and whirlwind to kill all the clones? I hate it when they do that.

Not sure if you have a stance that works against immobilize but that is what he is holding you with for blurred frenzy.

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Posted by: Fay.2735

Fay.2735

That sounds like a power build not shatter, Shatter builds generally use Scepter for confusion stacking.

Huh.. I’d like to see a single shatter build using a scepter if possible. As far as I know, scepters are only used for the confusion in a condition heavy build. Shatter builds are usually a Sword with an off hand coupled with a Staff or a GS.

Scepters are specifically designed to quickly spawn clones to shatter and using confusion as a type of damage over time. A staff/scepter combo is great for condition stacking with a condition/shatter damage build.

As I stated though a power build can also function as a shatter build as my build pretty much does that but it’s still a power build mainly where as the shattering is more a byproduct of your phantasms not being strong enough to keep up and the need to use distortion/daze to keep oneself from being harmed rather than it’s main focus.

Using a staff with a one-handed sword is a bad idea purely because the staff’s damage is based on conditions and/or phantasms where as sword is used for a power build and it’s conditions are based on keeping yourself alive and the mob controlled rather than to do damage (same for greatsword).

I actually tried theorycrafting some sort of sword/pistol (sword) and scepter/torch hybrid to do both confusion stacking/shattering using the professions various synergy’s but it compromised both set-ups too much that they both became mediocre (I also don’t get the impression all the different abilities work together as intended).

As much as I would love to be able to use both sword/staff or gsword/staff they don’t really mix well as they are both really different in build style requirements.

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Posted by: Darnis.4056

Darnis.4056

Glass warrior? The only time glass warriors win against mesmers IMHO is when you catch them offguard at the treb or 1v1ing some other dude…

Kill him before he notices you, it’s that simple 18-22k burst is not impossible for a warrior,
but fighting a mesmer head on probably is.

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Posted by: Ying Kanade.7460

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I happen to use the exact combo described above. My best suggestion to you is to hit hard and fast. Try to keep a lock on the real player and keep the pressure going. I actually run 0-25-15-0-30 to mitigate hard hitters like wars and thiefs. And yes, I can still do quite a bit of dmg lol.

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Posted by: Seeinred.4651

Seeinred.4651

That sounds like a power build not shatter, Shatter builds generally use Scepter for confusion stacking.

Huh.. I’d like to see a single shatter build using a scepter if possible. As far as I know, scepters are only used for the confusion in a condition heavy build. Shatter builds are usually a Sword with an off hand coupled with a Staff or a GS.

lol I think the guy has his builds mixed up. Any decent shatter build is not going with sceptor

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Posted by: Fay.2735

Fay.2735

lol I think the guy has his builds mixed up. Any decent shatter build is not going with sceptor

When you know how to best utilize a Scepter in a suitable build it’s a really good weapon you can get some really nice confusion stacking going. It’s not as amazing as some of the other weapons but certainly not bad either, The only reason to use a scepter is for clone outputting and confusion stacking so yes scepter = a shatter build. It’s the only thing a scepter can be. (Also if you are referring to me as ‘the guy’ I’m a girl).

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Posted by: Psybunny.8906

Psybunny.8906

A lot of good input, thanks everyone. I guess my best bet would be to hold aggressive playstyle, stunbreak/block the initial burst, cleanse after the first shatter and retaliate right away? I know that he can easily outlast me, so keeping the fight as short as possible would be the best option for me I guess.

@Darnis, mesmers are not some mystical unbeatable creatures for glass warrs. Some builds go down pretty easy if you know what to avoid and when to fight back.