Guild Wars 2

Robert Gee mentioned in t he ready up episode that ‘Mirror’ will now apply the reflection effect after the heal has been cast. Previously, the reflection duration would start right the moment you start casting your heal.

This is a pretty big deal since you can’t actively react to let’s say a rangers rapid fire anymore. Is there anything being done to counter this, like for example reducing the cast time of mirror heal?

I was always a huge fan of the mirror heal and would prefer it over any othe heals most of the time, but this seems like a big nerf.

Haven’t watched it, but are you sure he wasn’t referring to the trait?

They really should’ve taken this chance to buff the healing of this skill a bit more. Let’s compare it to thief’s withdraw heal. It’s on the same cd but thief’s withdraw heal has better healing and arguably has a better secondary effect; rolling backwards and avoiding damage.

@ Pyro: He refered to the trait.

@ quBit: The mirror will still apply when you press the button. You will gain an additional 2seconds after the first reflect if it’s traited.

Fay.2357:

Haven’t watched it, but are you sure he wasn’t referring to the trait?

oooh yes i guess i completely misunderstood that then. It’s not 100% clear but yes, i’m pretty sure you’re right now!

He said that with the “Evasive Mirror” trait, your “Mirror” healing skill would end up with ~4 seconds of reflect.

Im just wondering what will happen with traited mass invis…
If u have incoming projectiles when you pop it, u will reflect and end up insta revealed?

FJSAMA.2867:

Im just wondering what will happen with traited mass invis…
If u have incoming projectiles when you pop it, u will reflect and end up insta revealed?

yea, that one seems silly…

SlimChance.6593:

He said that with the “Evasive Mirror” trait, your “Mirror” healing skill would end up with ~4 seconds of reflect.

Master of Manipulation, actually.

Mirror will give you 2s of reflect, as it currently does. Then, because it’s going to be tagged as a Manipulation after Tuesday’s patch, it will have an additional 2s of reflect if you trait Master of Manipulation.

I, personally, am looking forward to making a full mirror build. Will probably be gimmicky and suck, but I have fun with that kind of stuff.

Yamsandjams.3267:

I, personally, am looking forward to making a full mirror build. Will probably be gimmicky and suck, but I have fun with that kind of stuff.

psssssssh!!! There’s nothing gimmicky about this build! <_<

http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=-Rg-FF;0kUF1197oV-71;9;4TUS;0058236056;4SNG6T;16Rk06Rk0_0l

I actually think they’ve went down an extremely fantastic path in terms of our manipulation utilities. Arcane Thievery at 36s is a great baseline (actually I forget whether it’s been decreased or not, but 36s is good for this skill), and I’m also very happy with Mimic in its current state.

eta – there is a bit of a conflict with Mass Invis and the reflecting trait. You’re protected while stealthed, but the trade off for that protection is being revealed. I don’t know. I don’t mind it too much. AOE attacks are supposed to counter stealth, so I’m not too offended here.

Just listened to it and yeah definitely about the trait being at the end of the cast – so the standard effect on Mirror heal should happen as it usually does anyway.

Really looking forward to using this with the heal, especially on a 12s cooldown.

Curunen.8729:

Really looking forward to using this with the heal, especially on a 12s cooldown.

All of those “on heal” (10s icd) runes should get a lot more attractive for Mesmers taking advantage of this trait.

MailMail.6534:

Yamsandjams.3267:

I, personally, am looking forward to making a full mirror build. Will probably be gimmicky and suck, but I have fun with that kind of stuff.

eta – there is a bit of a conflict with Mass Invis and the reflecting trait. You’re protected while stealthed, but the trade off for that protection is being revealed. I don’t know. I don’t mind it too much. AOE attacks are supposed to counter stealth, so I’m not too offended here.

Crap, I didn’t even think of that. Well, hopefully it won’t be too problematic.

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Curunen.8729:

Really looking forward to using this with the heal, especially on a 12s cooldown.

All of those “on heal” (10s icd) runes should get a lot more attractive for Mesmers taking advantage of this trait.

Yep, I might swap back to my Lyssa runes now, or explore some of the other options like adventurer rune or even centaur runes.

Yamsandjams.3267:

MailMail.6534:

All of those “on heal” (10s icd) runes should get a lot more attractive for Mesmers taking advantage of this trait.

Yep, I might swap back to my Lyssa runes now, or explore some of the other options like adventurer rune or even centaur runes.

tbh, I completely forgot Lyssa runes were a thing. How appropriate to run such a rune in the Chaos tree now!! I’m going to have to look at all the runes tied to heal usage.

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Yamsandjams.3267:

MailMail.6534:

All of those “on heal” (10s icd) runes should get a lot more attractive for Mesmers taking advantage of this trait.

Yep, I might swap back to my Lyssa runes now, or explore some of the other options like adventurer rune or even centaur runes.

tbh, I completely forgot Lyssa runes were a thing. How appropriate to run such a rune in the Chaos tree now!! I’m going to have to look at all the runes tied to heal usage.

Yeah, it even provides some additional synergy with the dueling line since that has condi application traits, and having more boons improves your condition duration.

Now my build will be a power-based shatter build, so the condi damage will be minimal, but it does open up some hybrid or full condition options for people wanting to take full advantage of the new mirror mechanic.

I’m thinking of using two sigils of energy with the adventurer runes as well as taking the evasive mirror trait in dueling to maximize my mirror procs. All those extra dodges mean more mirrors. Rangers will love me.

EDIT: Some quick math with that… the battle could go like this (using adventurer runes)…

Dodge 1 = 1.5 sec
Use mimic = 2 sec
Arcane thievery = 2 sec
Arcane thievery again = 2 sec
Dodge 2 = 1.5 sec
Swap weapon for endurance regen
Dodge 3 = 1.5 sec
Random blink = 2 sec
Heal skill = 2 sec plus endurance regen (possibly 4 seconds of mirror???)
Dodge 4 = 1.5 sec
Dodge 5 if available = 1.5 sec

For a total of 16 – 19.5 seconds of continuous mirror depending on whether things work out the way I think they will. And then if some skill and such are off cooldown I can do that again. Could probably do it in a more efficient way for longer continuous mirror (i.e. weapon swap and heal earlier).

Something I realized when typing that… Mirror will be a manipulation skill now. Master of manipulation will cause manipulation skills to give 2 seconds of mirror. So does this mean mirror (the heal skill) will now apply 4 seconds of mirror?

I highly doubt that’s the case as that could get really crazy, but we’ll just have to see.

EDIT 2: A poster above said that it will be 4 seconds on mirror heal skill, but I guess I’d have to watch the stream again to be sure. Not going to do that right now.

Yamsandjams.3267:

Something I realized when typing that… Mirror will be a manipulation skill now. Master of manipulation will cause manipulation skills to give 2 seconds of mirror. So does this mean mirror (the heal skill) will now apply 4 seconds of mirror?

I highly doubt that’s the case as that could get really crazy, but we’ll just have to see.

EDIT 2: A poster above said that it will be 4 seconds on mirror heal skill, but I guess I’d have to watch the stream again to be sure. Not going to do that right now.

Yes it should be normal reflect provided by the heal, and then the extra 2 seconds added at the end of the skill.

But the cast time of mirror is less than 2 seconds (I’m on a phone so can’t look up what the actual cast time is – is it 1.5 seconds or something?) so I’m guessing in the end the reflect from the trait might slightly overlap the reflect from the heal by half a second or so.

But still – 3-4s of reflect every 12 seconds, then reflects on dodge or blurred frenzy successful evades…

And also, 4k heal every 12 seconds…

Seeing as Ether Feast can’t be traited and unless you’re having 3 illusions out always when using it – it looks like traited mirror could provide the bigger heal over time.

I am surprised Ether Feast was not categorised because of this.

I forgot – once chrono hits – the alacrity could bring mirror under 10 seconds! :o I can’t wait.