Guild Wars 2

I don’t get it… I play a condition damages build with the staff since the beginning, and i wonder why Chaos Transference [V] and Chaos Dampening [VI] are on the same tier.

Both of them are a must have and there is nothing I find interesting enough in the next tier for this build. I hope devs will switch [VI] and [IX]… Bountiful Disillusionment should work great with Chaotic Interruption btw.

I change the title to make it more relevant. And, since a build staff/condition damage is not common, I should explain what’s going on exactly.

This build don’t relies on shatter or phantasm like other mesmer, but on clones management. The more clones you can keep the more conditions you can stack, and the less you will be hit.

Actually, and since the release, you have to go in chaos and illusion for cool down bonus, chaos and dueling for condition dmg bonus. So there is no room for domination and power bonus. That mean you have to relies on three stats : condition damage, critical chance and toughness. So actually this build can only work with rabid/ferratus equipment.

Today, not only I defend the equipment I invested in, but also a part of mesmer’s gameplay. This is a legit demand, trust me on that, but even if I try to change something, I don’t want to make enemies, so please, even if you don’t play this build, just say here this change won’t affect on your build.

I understand your frustration and for this reason only:

• Most condition builds that would take Chaotic Transference usually run Staff, hence, putting more importance on the Staff reduction trait.

Honestly, I think traits like that should be minors as they are innately tree-defining and lack a lot of flavor in general. I honestly don’t think Mesmer needs this trait at all… My suggestion:

• Change Chaotic Transference to work similarly to the engineer’s Alchemy minor trait, Transmute i.e. X% chance to turn incoming conditions into boons.

I know you guys hate RNG, but let’s just admit that the chaos tree is supposed to be somewhat chaotic in nature. I mean, Lyssa is our patron goddess for crying out loud! I would definitely like a trait like this which could arguably be better than the engi trait with no icd a bit of luck. It would also obviously tie in great with this tree being heavily tied to boon generation.

I disagree with your suggestion to move BD into master tier. It should definitely be separate from CI, as both of those traits are build-defining traits.

I was imagining Chaos Archangel and Warlord of Chaos [since I just closely relate the two as players] fanfics when I saw the title~

Nalkahn I do understand the issue. I was also a bit bummed out by this. I sometimes was running something similar. But see it like that: Condition application got seriously buffed. First you have Confusion application as minor in Dueling and Illusionary Elasticity and Illusionary Persona made base line. Personally I think, Robert did this intentionally, being well aware of the potential synergy between the now two competing traits. But keep in mind the general buffs a condition Mesmer received, like explained above. Also the potential insane cool down decreases from the Staff trait makes it clear to me, that when I use staff in a condition build and I use the Chaos trait line, I will for sure always choose the Staff Trait over the Condition damage trait.

Also the Chaos trait line still offers very good condition duration bonus and on top you have signet of midnight, which now will give a super strong 20% condition duration increase.

EDIT:
Look at this build I quickly crafted:
http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=VRZ-3l;0kUF21U7gW-71;9;4TUW;0138258256;4TwW6U;1jzyvjzyv2F

It does, what you which for and even more. The reason I went for travelers was the condi + boon duration. This build not only allows you to do big Staff AA damage in addition to clone damage, it also allows for a nice boon application increasing the already strong boon duration on the build even further.

Before you needed Domination, if you wanted suficiant condition duration bonuses, but now the Chaos line + Signet of Midnight allow for a very strong boon duration bonus on top of easy condition application and the possibility for strong strong shatters. Especially with Signet of domination and Mimic there is a chance for 6s stun… that is insane…

TyPin, i have to disagree with your arguments. For confusion on critical hit there was a similar trait (confusing combatants).

Yes, conditions are buffed, but if you need this particular trait it’s because you have thoughness, and so don’t have power (or you did something wrong in the build).

Peoples who have rampager or sinister will be able to swicht on this template right away, but original users will have to change stuff ? No

Edit : very interesting build

The previous trait applying confusion was, I believe, weaker than what we will get now. I’d say this is a definite buff. Also, did you have Confusing Combatants in your build before? Now you get it anyway, if you go Dueling.

Also, having now always one additional bounce is a serious buff too. There is no reason why any one would “need” the Chaotic Transference trait, just because you have high toughness.

The buffs we got, I’d say, easily compensate not having the condition damage increase. And now you simply have to choose when using staff: Do you want the active utility provided by the Staff trait or the more passive damage increase from Chaotic Transference. It’s a fair choice imo and follows the concept of purity of purpose.

Hi anet dev here… good remark we merged the two traits in one in adept tier.
Thus you can make your easy cheesy build as you were used to….

Huhhh? I am not in engi forum ???? Ooops….forget what I said then… byebye.

;-)

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/engineer/RIP-perma-swiftness/page/2#post5169529

Yes i have it, my template is 0-25-25-0-20 (with V X V X V VII)
So I won’t have an additional bounce.

I’ve checked for Confusing Combatants I’m not sure it’s a buff… 4 secondes on 3 targets when a clone die VS 3 secondes on 1 target when crit (33% chance)… no, look like a nerf to me (in most situation).

I try to do some math, but i’m not really good at this : auto attack with staff is 3/4 sec so with the char + 3 clones will should have 4/0.75 = 5.33 hit seconde. With 50% crit chance, that mean 5.33 /2 *33% = 0.88… less than 1 stack par seconde… if all the clones are up.

Dondagora.9645:

I was imagining Chaos Archangel and Warlord of Chaos [since I just closely relate the two as players] fanfics when I saw the title~

His hands were soft as silk. Warlord gently pressed on Chaos’ shoulders to…

I’m leaving.

Okay, so you lose one trait (well 2, because Debilitating Dissipation won’t exist any more), but you gain 6 traits compared to your old build that you can use freely now. And some of the traits you already had are even improved in the new system. I think that is more than compensating for the loss.

No it is not, otherwise I will not open these thread. But the change I request does not affect what you plan, right ?

It’s not about what I plan. It’s about what you want. You seemingly simply want your old build to work (which it still will in a sense). But it’s a new skill system, which will require ppl to rethink what they did so far. You are compensated in your approach for the loss of 2 traits with the choice of 6 others. All of which offer you good stuff, but you don’t seem to want to open your mind to the possibilities.

In the end it is all theoretical. I say the compensation is enough, you say it is not. We will see in the end, how things will work out.

I don’t need compensate talents changes, I need compensate the fact that rabid based build take 10 more time to destroy objects than any other build with power. I need to compensate the fact a build based on proc on crit won’t work very well on boss. I also need to warn against a gameplay change that will make power more interesting than toughness.

We will see what in the end ? One trait is becoming useless cause there is no more use for it ? Or maybe with another weapon (since staff need CD), which one ? oh… wait

Dondagora.9645:

I was imagining Chaos Archangel and Warlord of Chaos [since I just closely relate the two as players] fanfics when I saw the title~

They were just mezzing out dude.

Why do you need CD reduction on staff if you just want to stand there with 3 clones out?

There is a slight difference between “keep 3 clones up” and “stand there with 3 clones”