Guild Wars 2

Last time I really used it is before someone in my party asked me why I was using it.

I didn’t have a reason.

how to be the master of denial just repeating same stuff forever and ignoring FACTS posted.

Another example of efficiency:
Cof1 adepts part.
focus 5, sw 3,3-2 (blink to safety) + Gs4-2, F1

2 adepts killed in few seconds thanks to 2 burst that doesn t even need you to lose time in positioning.

In before “cof is easy anyway so we look at efficiency only in those few situations where sword is better”.

there are so many situations where GS is the best choice….

The sad part is people showing their OH sword like “hey look i don t use GS i m a pro for sure…”

LordByron to be honest – I sometimes use the GS if I need it, but the adepts part is definitly NONE of it: sw/focus + sw/sw -> focus 4 speed, 5 kills one by itself, switch, sw 3, 5, 3, 2 – the other. Even faster than with GS. and you have a block / pull against the warriors knockdown.

Don’t read this wrong now – I don’t say GS is bad in that situation – it’s about the same. So you can just use double sword and be fine.

My god…

Ever since that “the plague of GS mesmers” thread things just arent the same anymore… Theres new rage every day, which we havent had since the time where people thought we were OP, and even that was less often than this.. Even moderators dont do anything about it, but they will remove “thank you” threads…

Just go back to the dungeon forum where you belong, no one here will listen anyway, as you said and realised countless of times. It would be much better for all of us.

I wish I could act like you Alissah >_> But I allways answer such a GS/swsw post earlier or later >_> I NEED MEDICAL SUPPORT

tbh GS has at least one use: when we need piercing, like hitting the melandru boss in arah through those green wriggly things. Beyond that however….

Xyonon.3987:

LordByron to be honest – I sometimes use the GS if I need it, but the adepts part is definitly NONE of it: sw/focus + sw/sw -> focus 4 speed, 5 kills one by itself,

You can do it anyway, but WAY slower with more risks….
First being your phantasms being killed fast just breaking your burst, resulting in a huge loss of time.

As said if people only plays with LoS stacking everything with perfect guardians just repeating rotations like a scripted AI, they don t care for things like:

CC, Range, AoE dps, risk, Burst and things like that….

They only look at single target DPS and just wipe any time guardian mess something.
A game not even Worth playing….

Being able to play with anyone requires knowing wich weapon is best in each situation, also being able to evaluate risk to equip the proper one.

another example….
SE1 3 golems….
While you can kill them melee with the proper Group, you are completely helpless in melee and in the hands of guardians and warriors.

Now what requires more skill?
Having 2 melee weaponsets and just spamming dps, or having a backup GS and being ready to Evade, cleanse, position, Kyte and survive reacting to situation IF something goes wrong?
How much time will you lose because of your GS backup choice?
That can be applied to so mkany situations that in the end you just start understanding the concept of RISK/REWARD!
Also Versatility VS efficience.

Also to prove wrong people who thinks GS requires less skill than meleeing and LoSing everything that is actually negating any mechanic.

Deaf ears, deaf ears everywhere.

Alissah.9281:

My god…

Ever since that “the plague of GS mesmers” thread things just arent the same anymore… Theres new rage every day, which we havent had since the time where people thought we were OP, and even that was less often than this.. Even moderators dont do anything about it, but they will remove “thank you” threads…

Just go back to the dungeon forum where you belong, no one here will listen anyway, as you said and realised countless of times. It would be much better for all of us.

Go back to the dungeon forum? LOL. What, don’t you like people challenging the status quo?

I think I’ll stop posting when people stop seriously recommending the GS as a good power weapon on mesmer, ignorance like that needs to be dealt with.

LordByron.8369:

Xyonon.3987:

LordByron to be honest – I sometimes use the GS if I need it, but the adepts part is definitly NONE of it: sw/focus + sw/sw -> focus 4 speed, 5 kills one by itself,

You can do it anyway, but WAY slower with more risks….
First being your phantasms being killed fast just breaking your burst, resulting in a huge loss of time.

As said if people only plays with LoS stacking everything with perfect guardians just repeating rotations like a scripted AI, they don t care for things like:

CC, Range, AoE dps, risk, Burst and things like that….

They only look at single target DPS and just wipe any time guardian mess something.
A game not even Worth playing….

Being able to play with anyone requires knowing wich weapon is best in each situation, also being able to evaluate risk to equip the proper one.

another example….
SE1 3 golems….
While you can kill them melee with the proper Group, you are completely helpless in melee and in the hands of guardians and warriors.

Now what requires more skill?
Having 2 melee weaponsets and just spamming dps, or having a backup GS and being ready to Evade, cleanse, position, Kyte and survive reacting to situation IF something goes wrong?
How much time will you lose because of your GS backup choice?
That can be applied to so mkany situations that in the end you just start understanding the concept of RISK/REWARD!
Also Versatility VS efficience.

Also to prove wrong people who thinks GS requires less skill than meleeing and LoSing everything that is actually negating any mechanic.

Risk should be irrelevant if you know what you are doing. I sw/f+sw the entire cofp1 path. In pug groups I often killed 2-4 of the acolytes per wave just fine.

I used to run with a somewhat dedicated team but with school and what not, I pug a lot as well now. I rarely have a guardian with me. A lot of the times I have 4 ranged people in my party and I’m the glass cannon melee that is the only one not dying.

We are not just considering single target dps. The sword auto is better aoe than the zerker when you factor in that you are stuck with the gs auto attack the rest of the time.

As I stated in my prior post for your coe stuff, the offhands provide more versatility than the gs: AOE stuns/dazes are much better than cripples or knockbacks. The sword 3/3 is also an aoe immoblizes so the cripple point is moot.

Being ready to evade? You think I survive pugs because I face tank?
Keep listing more situations ^^

Do you want to show me how good you are without GS?
We are going fotm 48 without guardians

I can suggest many other situations…but risk is irrelevant only when you are carried.

In those situations i would rather take an ele over a mesmer (if “conjured” ele wasn t so boring)

Those situations where risk is irrelevant are 1% gold farming speedruns that not only are boring, but also requires fixed groups of human BOTS.

I just stated that I solo melee with most pug dungeon groups and die a lot less than my party. Your response is that risk is only irrelevant when I’m carried. Great logic. Falling back to 1200 range is easy when crap hits the fan. Staying in melee and interrupting a knockdown chain to save your group while also doing more damage may be riskier if you cant see a hammer flying into your face but if you know what you are doing, it doesn’t matter what the rest of your team does. If anything I would go so far as to say that I’m the one carrying my group because I enable them to just sit there without any worry. This applies to the coe situations you mentioned earlier. This applies to the vast majority of the trash mob situations where aoe is important. Mesmers have decent disables that help them carry their group. No LOS required although it makes things easy.

I know my limit though and I would not be able to solo melee fotm 48. Although I would probably wield a scepter instead of the gs most of the time Want to know why? Because I care about

CC, Range, AoE dps, risk, Burst and things like that….

The off hands are betting at disabling specific targets/reflecting. As was stated earlier for example: Not all dredge are created equal in communist mole land. Some of them need to be purged/disabled first. The GS doesn’t enable that.

LordByron.8369:

Now what requires more skill?
Having 2 melee weaponsets and just spamming dps, or having a backup GS and being ready to Evade, cleanse, position, Kyte and survive reacting to situation IF something goes wrong?
How much time will you lose because of your GS backup choice?

Having two melee weapons when things go south requires more skill. What does the GS have that lets you evade, cleanse, or position better? This image your painting of noob speed clearing vs pro gs users is highly skewed.

Have you really not paid attention to anything I wrote? Do you think I’m pulling numbers out of thin air just because you don’t like them. If you want AOE damage, the sword auto attack, even in not super ideal situations, does about x5 more damage than the gs auto attack. It can get up to about 9x as much. Disabling a gonger that is decreasing your parties damage by 33% and increasing the enemies damage by ~25% is a serious change in the amount of time it would take to finish something. The GS @1200 range isn’t capable of that. If I went full melee in fotm 48 and accomplished my goal of disable gongers/bombers and did some serious melee damage then died, I would still be doing more for my team than you with a GS.

BTW, I have 8 characters with an average of 3 armor sets each because I like trying different wvw builds. I don’t speed clear for brainless monies. I do it for cheap armor and I usually do it with pugs/noob guildies. Stop trying to smear us with this elitist crap.

colesy.8490:

Alissah.9281:

My god…

Ever since that “the plague of GS mesmers” thread things just arent the same anymore… Theres new rage every day, which we havent had since the time where people thought we were OP, and even that was less often than this.. Even moderators dont do anything about it, but they will remove “thank you” threads…

Just go back to the dungeon forum where you belong, no one here will listen anyway, as you said and realised countless of times. It would be much better for all of us.

Go back to the dungeon forum? LOL. What, don’t you like people challenging the status quo?

I think I’ll stop posting when people stop seriously recommending the GS as a good power weapon on mesmer, ignorance like that needs to be dealt with.

Right. In that case, I hope you dont mind typing the same thing over and over again for years to come.

So many Wall’O’Texts – and allways if somone answer them, he/she definitly did not read it anyways T_T I’m outta here >_>

DuckDuckBOOM.4097:

Stop trying to smear us with this elitist crap.

i did answer to each point.

But when a player of the “whoever doesn t use my face weapon is a noob” accuse of being elitist those that say “weapons are situational or versatile…you have to choose according to situations”

Just tells me to don t shar euseful informations with people who doesn t deserve them….

let me brag too
Only 2 character with 1000+ hours each….4 armorsets each, and dozens of weapons.

But more than everything i used only SW/X SW/Y for 2 months……not 2 days with something like 10+ dungeon runs per day….

other ignored facts that preoves you wrong and elitist:
-you can t stay melee in marks and aes that lasts 10+ seconds….so if party fails you are just useless while GS give syou Emergency BURST to rally people at distance.

-Sword/X sword/Y shares 3 out of 10 cooldowns….another bad thing for bursts.

-i never said to sit at 1200…sword/X is still your main weapon and you should couple it with a utility intensive build.

-mesmer is one of the few profession playable ON REACTION….or in a semi reactive way.
-Locking out of iwarden may be a bad choice in many situations….since a single reflect can just net 50K damage

I m saying again if you read someone saying “if you don t play like this you are a noob”, its a clear symptom of elitist so used to read what to do on the internet to not see that internet guides are intended for learners.

once you got confortable with your profession you have to go farther with your personal tests….

And as i said:
GS SW/focus is for VERSATILITY <====

Torch, oh sword, pistol etc are situational and as such are better in some situations and AWFUL in Others.

colesy.8490:

What a surprise, duelist and swordsman are the highest DPS.

But iZerker is good guys, I swear.

/rolls eyes

Wait, lemme check that duelist DPS versus a group of enemies… what do you mean, it only hits one target?

Carighan.6758:

colesy.8490:

What a surprise, duelist and swordsman are the highest DPS.

But iZerker is good guys, I swear.

/rolls eyes

Wait, lemme check that duelist DPS versus a group of enemies… what do you mean, it only hits one target?

You are a bloody noob if you say that. Or that’s at least what the elitists will tell you… ^^

Carighan.6758:

colesy.8490:

What a surprise, duelist and swordsman are the highest DPS.

But iZerker is good guys, I swear.

/rolls eyes

Wait, lemme check that duelist DPS versus a group of enemies… what do you mean, it only hits one target?

Grats, you can tag mobs better. Do you run GS/Staff? Chaos Storm is good DPS.

If “I can get loot better” is all you can come up with, don’t even post.

Carighan.6758:

colesy.8490:

What a surprise, duelist and swordsman are the highest DPS.

But iZerker is good guys, I swear.

/rolls eyes

Wait, lemme check that duelist DPS versus a group of enemies… what do you mean, it only hits one target?

Well, you don’t need AoE when you run CoF1 24/7. Silly you.

First room, pull 2 mobs to the wall. Now the Warden / GS deal damage to 3 enemies. I’m not a GS fanatic, but I defend weapons against haters if they are wrong. Focus and GS will outdamage the pistol and sword offhand by far. Sure you have now your “crappy” GS attacks for about 8 seconds now. But the phantasms will still outdamage you. GS 2 and 3 are pretty ok and compareable for sword AA. Now you can sit next to the other building and AA for 4-5 seconds 3 enemies in a line. Better cast a nullfield against brun in this time. Switch back to Sword and finish clear this room. Now my dear self-appointed elitists, do you think you would deal better with swsw swpi?

I’m pretty sure I’ve said many a time that for trash mobs you just use sword/focus since you get warden and sword cleave allowing you to hit six targets, plus temporal curtain so you can pull them together to make sure that cleaving happens.

GS 2 and 3 absolutely are not comparable to sword AA either. One doesn’t even have cooldown, two of them do.

You really don’t get it, do you? It seems just like you are simply too lazy to change your weapons. So blame other weapons even if they are obviously a better option in serval situations. And this is one of those situations! So against trashmobs you don’t switch your weapon to pistol? Well why don’t you start then with GS 4 and switch immediately and stay same as with the pistol – on your sw/focus?

“I’ve said many times” blergh – can’t even read it anymore – just accept the fact that “even you” can be wrong!

Again, if “I can tag loot” is the best argument you can come up with, maybe the weapon isn’t worth defending. Why aren’t you using chaos storm? That’s AOE.

I’m only interested in arguing about weapons in proper circumstances anyway, those moments in dungeons where you have a ton of “normal” mobs might as well be open world PvE, but against silvers, sword/focus will wipe the floor with GS. I’ve already said as well that GS/s+f is probably best for open world too because all you’re doing is tagging mobs.

I don’t use GS for those sigil stacking sections in dungeons either because you don’t even gain much out of it besides making your party members miss out on stacks, you’ll tag mobs just fine.

Dude … what are you talking? Can you plz read my first post again? The one after “Nretep”?

You’re saying why not use GS 4 and then swap to Sw/X.

I’m saying I only argue about remotely challenging content, not faceroll PvE (normal level trashmobs in dungeons I count as faceroll).

I’ve said GS/Sw+F is probably best open world, therefore it follows it probably makes sense to use it against low HP trash mobs

However I also wrote that running in with sword probably won’t even make much of a difference and that using GS 4 will most likely just steal weapon stacks from your party.

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tl;dr in trash mob fights with low HP in dungeons, the party normally just runs forward and melee cleaves everything so you don’t really gain anything by using GS besides stack stealing since everything dies fast and you’ll tag everything anyway.

Since when are the mobs at the first room at cofp1 not silver?

I didn’t even realise you were on about CoF. But if that’s the case, are you actually defending the use of GS auto on the two silvers? You’re better off focus pulling, dropping warden, swapping to S+P, cleaving and then use magic bullet when it looks like they’re about to launch an attack again if it looks like your warriors are taking on a lot of pressure, if not then just carry on cleaving.

The mobs in the first room of cof p1 should be focus pulled to the wall so you cant start off with GS anyway.

Oh … dear lord … why me T_T sigh
Thats what I meant. I said “Can you plz read my first post again? The one after “Nretep”?” But NOOOO let’s not read other posts. Better babbling all day long and repeat what I said what is actually not better. You just made yourselves look so ridiculous right now …

That makes no sense. Its faster to focus pull, warden, sword auto and feedback. They die in that time and warden reflects the projectiles from the turrets. Switching to GS for one phantasm in that situation late in the fight is very counterproductive. I use to use GS in cof but I only used it to push the slave driver into the wall after those silvers.

GS is a fine weapon, but it’s not always optimal. Same goes for all our other weapons so I find much of the discussion…baffling. :P

Carighan! NONO thus IS Not tRUe! Gs is allwaYSs bad aGainst STrok mobs. GO sw/sw and sw/pistol or focus – alLWays. Too STronk, I neveR swaP wEAPon – wOrks FIne

- genious

Yes. Genius.

Xyonon.3987:

Carighan! NONO thus IS Not tRUe! Gs is allwaYSs bad aGainst STrok mobs. GO sw/sw and sw/pistol or focus – alLWays. Too STronk, I neveR swaP wEAPon – wOrks FIne

- genious

It’s actually pretty pathetic you’ve resorted to this.

The good against trash mob argument you realised didn’t actually mean anything so now you’ve done … well whatever that was.

It’s what you allways do, just with other words, but the message is the same. Pathetic? It’s pathetic that you still didn’t read my post or/and that you keep arguing about a trashmobs discussion I’ve never talked about. Pathetic – yes – a perfect word for the whole situation. Done? Oh boy I wish I could be done, but I can’t resist the amusing moments I have in threads like this when you appear.

I explained why GS isn’t so good against trash. I explained why it isn’t so good against silvers (and answered your COF p1 example), we’ve gone over enough times why it’s poor against bosses.

I’ll tell you what’s pathetic, that people in this forum will ignore yours and other peoples’ completely moronic posts dripping with errors and yet they will rant at me, insult me and mock me just for telling them their weapon is bad when they try to claim it’s good. Did you see what happened when I stopped being serious for literally one post? Chaos Archangel comes along asking me why I did that for.

What will happen with your post? “lol you’re funny, those stupid elitists just don’t get it” will probably be the average sentiment.

My statement was “GS can be useful in Situation A when you use it like X”. What you answer is “GS sux in Situation B, better use Sw and use it like Y”. I told you read my sentence. You did the same thing a few times and NOW you come with “GS sux in Situation A B C D, better use Sw and use it like Y”. You blame me for things I haven’t even said and I guess you do this often. Otherwise ppl wouldn’t mock you around like that. Noone hates somone else without a reason. Just religions do so, but thats another theme :P

I know that you are not stupid since I think everyone who says “general: SW > GS” is smarter than one who says “general: GS > SW”. But it’s not smart to say “allways: SW > GS”. And this annoys me. You can’t even say “Yes I guess SetA used as X is as viable as SetB used as Y”. No you allways keep going and I know you won’t admit this, probably you’re not even gonna read this post exactly. So tell me Colesy: Why the elitism?

Xyonon.3987:

Carighan! NONO thus IS Not tRUe! Gs is allwaYSs bad aGainst STrok mobs. GO sw/sw and sw/pistol or focus – alLWays. Too STronk, I neveR swaP wEAPon – wOrks FIne

- genious

nonononono!!!
:D

(Cit. Sorrow Embrace 3 NPC for clarity….before someone thinks to troll attempts…..)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR2aeNESi8k

LordByron.8369:

Xyonon.3987:

Carighan! NONO thus IS Not tRUe! Gs is allwaYSs bad aGainst STrok mobs. GO sw/sw and sw/pistol or focus – alLWays. Too STronk, I neveR swaP wEAPon – wOrks FIne

- genious

nonononono!!!
:D

Cit.

colesy.8490:

What will happen with your post? “lol you’re funny, those stupid elitists just don’t get it” will probably be the average sentiment.

… I’m sorry Colesy >_>

Xyonon.3987:

My statement was “GS can be useful in Situation A when you use it like X”.

And then I explained that GS isnt as good as X in situation A when you use it like Z. Your defense of gs was a bad example. The only place gs is useful and clearly better than other alternatives is when you need piercing (melandru in arah p4).

Your option – I still agree with me that GS can be used very well in CoFp1 first room against those mobs. I mean I could do a record – but then even if I’m right, you probably are going to say “I would have done it better with sw/sw sw/focus”. To prevent this, tell me how you would engage them. So you say I pull them to the wall with focus, 3, 5, switch, 4/5 (sword or pistol??), 3, 2 and feedback somewhere between?

greez

Focus pull, cast warden, sword 3, cast blurred frenzy and feedback and they should be dead. Theres no reason to switch weapons especially when sword auto/BF hits both targets and has higher dps and they usually die by the time you finish casting BF so you wouldnt have time to cast another phantasm.

Kaiyanwan.8521:

colesy, you are a bit like schroedinger’s cat… Good luck in your box. ^^

wtf does this even mean?

If you guys really care about opening with an AOE burst so much, just use staff. Or better yet, don’t play mesmer at all, cause mesmers suck at AOE.

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

If you guys really care about opening with an AOE burst so much, just use staff. Or better yet, don’t play mesmer at all, cause mesmers suck at AOE.

Not at all, just at AoE burst. Between Staff, GS and Focus, we have some quite nice AE options. And let’s not forget Null Field or Feedback, or when we get to burst effects Time Warp I suppose.

The dungeoneers have cought themselves in a paradox, argueing that the only challenging PvE content is dungeons themselves.
But, if every player knows every move of the encounters, every player uses the same setup for efficiency and every move is predictable, none of the dungeon content is challenging any longer.
It is in fact so predictable, that this content is less challenging than any random encounter.

So what the dungeoneers want, is no longer challenging content. Therefore they want the easiest content available. Also known as farm mode or dungeon grind.

Randomness requires adaption, which is challenge. So stop complaining about challenge and find some like-minded for your easy grind.

What you’ve ignored is the fact that regardless of how well you know a dungeon, you still need to be aware of what’s going on and to have good enough reflexes to react in time.

Also, you’re making yourself look like a fool.

Kinda – also look at the new TA path, it’s not too easy neither too hard. It’s perfect and requires some smart moves. It’s not one of those brain afk – walk in a circle – faceroll paths like CoF. I like the way it is and also I’m really in love with the dialogues. Best Quote ever:

Pirate: "Our work is simple – if scarlet says kill, we kill, if Scarlet says steal, we steal and if she says “I’m bored” … COVER!!!"

Btw. I really like GS in many situations at CoF p2. I mean you can’t really stay melee against the flamethrower guys in the beginning, and the trashmobs before the door are also pretty ok with GS (not that GS > others, just staying it doesnt suck there!). But also at the “final boss”. I really really can’t attack that kittening stone melee. Where do I have to stay!? It allways tells me “miss miss miss” so I went range with GS and dealt dmg :|

Theres always ways to clear a dungeon faster. New strategies, different team compositions and mistakes happen and make for a good laugh.

He has a point though, risk-management in GW2 dungeons is very low (or in MMO dungeons in general).

Fractals are I suppose an exception because you cannot know which you’ll get + which paths you take in each, but the paths differ too little to account for much. For example, there’s no path which randomly pits two currently FOTM-running teams against each other in a PvP round, the winner takes one path, the loser another.