Guild Wars 2

Only thing I’m going to say about mesmer even they could use a nerf is that when they go down there clones automatically disappears. No clones should be up when a mesmer goes down. If anything should be allowed when they go down is that invisible for a few seconds and teleport somewhere else. That right there is fair balance on the battlefield otherwise allow warriors to use their warband ability similar to thieves guild ability and give those abilities to other classes as well.

Kryogenic.5139:

The OP is brain dead. I witnessed this morning, on 4 separate occasions, my Phant Zerker was killed before he even rendered into the environment… meaning he never got off his damage… meaning I have to wait for that long cooldown before I can even attempt to pull him out again.

Get Vengeful Images to “fix” IBerserker’s attack delay.

IB deals up to 3k in damage. If that’s 90% of your health….

Brutalistik.6473:

Only thing I’m going to say about mesmer even they could use a nerf is that when they go down there clones automatically disappears. No clones should be up when a mesmer goes down. If anything should be allowed when they go down is that invisible for a few seconds and teleport somewhere else. That right there is fair balance on the battlefield otherwise allow warriors to use their warband ability similar to thieves guild ability and give those abilities to other classes as well.

Balance doesn’t mean making all the classes the same and giving them the same abilities… Because otherwise there would be no distinct difference between each profession. At least, I think that’s what you’re implying… ._.

Supersun.4603:

noot.8641:

This is just silly, putting an arrowcart on top of a wall in WvW, if a mesmer keeps spawning those phantasms u can almost not focus on controlling the arrowcart but u have to focus on killing the phantasms, they do loads of dmg and kills ur siege and the respawn timer is just silly. This just needs a NERF asap! dont let them spawn them on top of walls in wvw..

And other classes carpet bombing your walls hitting you and the siege equipment isn’t the same thing?

I agree that this is likely a bug a will be fixed, but I hope that ANet will give us something in return since we will have lost our only decent option for destroying siege on a wall, and we will be a pretty pathetic class for siegeing other then pulling newbs off with Into the Void.

Well im not talking about thieves with shortbows who can only take down siege that is placed very close to the edge. because i was in Eternal battlegrounds, i was defending Durios post, and i put an arrowcart where No other player or treb could hit me, NO OTHER PLAYERS AT ALL. till some kitten mesmer came and he knew he could exploit hes phantasms he kept spawning them where no other ppl could hit me, destroying my siege and yes i have to stop using my arrowcart and focus on those kitten phantasms.. now thats just absurd! they shouldnt be able to reach that spot! i couldnt hold off the french zerg because i had to constantly focus on killing those phantasms.. C’mon ANET plx do smth about this!
and imo only rangers should be able to take down siege further away on the walls.

God why is this still on the front page? The only thing iBerserker needs is to not go through LoS, it’s silly that I can circle kite someone around a pillar forever thanks to the cripple.

Also meteor shower and iberserker have the same range. If you were in range for the phantasm I’m pretty sure an ele could damage you as well.

Well this the whole point brother, no1 could hit me because i was out of LOS, behind a stone where i putted my arrowcart. If u have been in EB at durios, then i placed it on the stones next to the bridge but all the way back so it was out of LOS and nothing could hit my arrowcart except for those phantasms, so i was talking about LOS all this time.
LOS also means u cant spawn ur phantasms ontop of a wall in WVW cuz obviously thats LOS.

Phantasmal Berserker took me down 90% health in one hit?

Cool story bro, well no actually.

Abarcine.7189:

God why is this still on the front page? The only thing iBerserker needs is to not go through LoS, it’s silly that I can circle kite someone around a pillar forever thanks to the cripple.

He keeps bumping his own topic, I think he hopes that if he can keep the thread up here it’ll look like a genuine concern that needs addressing.

tl;dr version -

I want to sit out of LoS and hit enemies without getting hit myself…
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Here’s the thing, I see a bunch of eles standing on a wall casting off AoE’s and even though they are clearly visible I can’t hit them with any direct damage attacks. It’s the same kitten concept, except you can hit an ibeserker and kill it rather quickly…

I’m running full exotic beserker gear slotted with ruby orbs while wearing exotic ruby jewellery. I call BS on a single beserker sweep taking 90% of your HP drama queen!

Ibeserker is 100% fine going through LoS just like many other classes ability to AoE without LoS. Cry moar whilst we bathe in your tears.

More nerfs? Are you out of your mind? I rarely play mesmer now because damage is simply to low in pve. And you wanna nerfs one of our few viable pve Phantasms? One of the few that can holf of the POWER or ORR?

It’s really really really time pvp/pve splits are introduced, because you spvp/wvw whiners are destroying pve. Tyvm for that.

Aero.4829:

Ibeserker is 100% fine going through LoS just like many other classes ability to AoE without LoS. Cry moar whilst we bathe in your tears.

No abilities should hit without LoS, except those specifically designed as ‘lob-type’ abilities (grenades, catapults, etc). Just because its broken for several classes doesn’t mean iBerserker is working as intended.

I swear people will always find SOMETHING to cry about.

“His class that just got nerfed didn’t get nerfed enough! NERF SOME MORE”

And nobody that loses 90% of their HP in one beserker sweep has any business taking up que space in WvW. Some of our phantasms are direct damage dealers, some are AoE’s. Your view reflects what you want to believe just as mine does. ibeserker is no game breaker. In fact I killed a treb up on a wall solo with one yesterday. Even though there were two opponents up on the wall killing my beserkers immediately after each initial sweep it probably took me 12 phantasms and 4 min. just to kill it.

Soooooo game breaking… /sarcasm even though the derps on the wall could of just jumped down and applied pressure while directing my efforts away from the treb…

You know your next on the target list for getting nerfed into the ground- your not warriors and peter plays a warrior- they are the ONLY safe class!

Your turn next!

max ive seen it hit was 5-6k at level 80 on another player nothing ground breaking compared to a thief hitting 10k crits

noot.8641:

Well this the whole point brother, no1 could hit me because i was out of LOS, behind a stone where i putted my arrowcart. If u have been in EB at durios, then i placed it on the stones next to the bridge but all the way back so it was out of LOS and nothing could hit my arrowcart except for those phantasms, so i was talking about LOS all this time.
LOS also means u cant spawn ur phantasms ontop of a wall in WVW cuz obviously thats LOS.

Can someone paint a better picture of this area? AFAIK everywhere I’ve been able to clip someone with the iBerserker I’ve also been able to catch people with random meteors on my ele. Place the AoE in LoS but so the far lip extends past it. Am I misunderstanding here?
Edited because English hard.

Abarcine.7189:

noot.8641:

Well this the whole point brother, no1 could hit me because i was out of LOS, behind a stone where i putted my arrowcart. If u have been in EB at durios, then i placed it on the stones next to the bridge but all the way back so it was out of LOS and nothing could hit my arrowcart except for those phantasms, so i was talking about LOS all this time.
LOS also means u cant spawn ur phantasms ontop of a wall in WVW cuz obviously thats LOS.

Can someone paint a better picture of this area? AFAIK everywhere I’ve been able to clip someone with the iBerserker I’ve also been able to catch people with random meteors on my ele. Place the AoE in LoS but so the far lip extends past it. Am I misunderstanding here?
Edited because English hard.

Dude, im not here to speak perfect english.
I just wanna state out that spawning them on top of walls is silly.
u can defend ur proffesion as much as u want but the range and the fact that u can spawn them somewhere out of los makes it OP in WvW.

heres the compromise i want to make. either keep iberserker as it is, or fix los so that it actually works.

as of right now, mesmers cannot summon any illusions on keep walls unless they are at the very very edge, even if they are one step back, and you can still clearly see them, you will get obstructed message if you try to summon a phantasm on them. while at the same time, elementalists, rangers, and basically all other ranged classes can spam their large aoes MUCH further back, hitting players that go beyond los.

either keep iberserker the same, or make los actually work by los, as in if you can see them, and in range, you should be able to summon phantasms to hit them.

Abarcine.7189:

God why is this still on the front page? The only thing iBerserker needs is to not go through LoS, it’s silly that I can circle kite someone around a pillar forever thanks to the cripple.

Also meteor shower and iberserker have the same range. If you were in range for the phantasm I’m pretty sure an ele could damage you as well.

Defend my profession? Are you dense?

Also other classes AoEs can hit players on walls too, the point was if you’re in range to get zerkered you’re in range to get meteor showered and the like. Though the fact you claim it took 90% of your life is another issue entirely. I don’t think I need to add anything at this point.

It’s an aoe, doesn’t need line of sight, just the same as your meteor storm hitting me on the other side of the door even though you can’t see me.

Abarcine.7189:

Abarcine.7189:

God why is this still on the front page? The only thing iBerserker needs is to not go through LoS, it’s silly that I can circle kite someone around a pillar forever thanks to the cripple.

Also meteor shower and iberserker have the same range. If you were in range for the phantasm I’m pretty sure an ele could damage you as well.

Defend my profession? Are you dense?

Also other classes AoEs can hit players on walls too, the point was if you’re in range to get zerkered you’re in range to get meteor showered and the like. Though the fact you claim it took 90% of your life is another issue entirely. I don’t think I need to add anything at this point.

Im not dense, im high! and we all clearly see that u dont want ur berserkers nerfed.
Wauw bravo dude rly /clap u get the reward for being the kitten of the day
this is the point, meteor shower couldnt hit me, rangers couldnt hit me, NO1 COULD HIT MY ARROWCART ON MY POSISTION, only that stuid mesmer thats abusing LoS!
my arrowcart was behind a STONE FAR AWAY FROM THE WALL (u see what i did there?)
rangers trying to kill my arrowcart but u just cant reach it, only those OP’ed berserkers!

Phato.5831:

It’s an aoe, doesn’t need line of sight, just the same as your meteor storm hitting me on the other side of the door even though you can’t see me.

And dude why doesnt any AOE skill from any proff hit my arrowcart, only the berserkers.. im telling again the RANGE makes it too OP. nerf the Range!

Why had you built your arrowcart there? I have never used one but should they only be able to hit people in places where they can shoot back?

If that isn’t the case then I think its arrowcarts that need to be nerfed.

Or maybe, just build your arrow cart smarter, noot.

it was smart placed carighan.
if no1 can hit me there except the mesmer, isnt it placed good then?

noot.8641:

if no1 can hit me there except the mesmer, isnt it placed good then?

If even other sieges can’t hit it then I guess your arrow cart is something similar to underwater flaming ram in the wilderness. :]

Well ofcourse other siege can hit it if they would place it right, but the window in which u place the siege is small.
Its at durios gulch in EB, where the reinforced bridge is behind that tower on the rocks.
Trebs from SM cant hit that spot, and normally professions cant either thats why i always put it there.

noot.8641:

it was smart placed carighan.
if no1 can hit me there except the mesmer, isnt it placed good then?

Considering I still need to be able to target you in the mess, it can’t have been that far back. Most players seem content when they are out of direct LoS, and then you can still always hit them with AEs targetted at the side of a decal.
I don’t see iZerker to be that different there. Plus the damage is comparatively low.

The only real reason people get hit on walls by iBerserkers is because they’re within the Mesmer’s line of sight when they decidedly back far away enough from it to formally do so, or attempt to do so anyway. It doesn’t exactly help the other party when they’re using a siege weapon mounted on the wall, while standing significantly close to the edge, and hence be within the Mesmer’s LoS; so really, shouldn’t it be the player’s own carelessness for standing in the Mesmer’s LoS in the first place to blame?

People should stop running glass cannon specs and then complain they are getting downed fast.

Yuumei.1687:

The only real reason people get hit on walls by iBerserkers is because they’re within the Mesmer’s line of sight when they decidedly back far away enough from it to formally do so, or attempt to do so anyway. It doesn’t exactly help the other party when they’re using a siege weapon mounted on the wall, while standing significantly close to the edge, and hence be within the Mesmer’s LoS; so really, shouldn’t it be the player’s own carelessness for standing in the Mesmer’s LoS in the first place to blame?

i dont think iberserk needs nerfs, but you obviously dont know how it works.

you can spawn it through anything regardless of los or not, as long as its within 1200 range. this isnt the same thing as ele or ranger aoe where you have to place it.

its not a matter of where you stand, as long as you’re within 1200 range, you can be hit by iberserker, no matter how many walls or obstacles are in the way.

wads.5730:

Yuumei.1687:

The only real reason people get hit on walls by iBerserkers is because they’re within the Mesmer’s line of sight when they decidedly back far away enough from it to formally do so, or attempt to do so anyway. It doesn’t exactly help the other party when they’re using a siege weapon mounted on the wall, while standing significantly close to the edge, and hence be within the Mesmer’s LoS; so really, shouldn’t it be the player’s own carelessness for standing in the Mesmer’s LoS in the first place to blame?

i dont think iberserk needs nerfs, but you obviously dont know how it works.

you can spawn it through anything regardless of los or not, as long as its within 1200 range. this isnt the same thing as ele or ranger aoe where you have to place it.

its not a matter of where you stand, as long as you’re within 1200 range, you can be hit by iberserker, no matter how many walls or obstacles are in the way.

Just want to add up on what you were also pointing out.

AS LONG as you still have that person(s) life bar you can continue to track their movement though the wall even if you can’t see them. AND Your illusion will still follow that person around and attack none stop. (I’ve seen people i’ve done this to try and run away from my illusion thinking he will come back to me.)

Vigilence.4902:

People should stop running glass cannon specs and then complain they are getting downed fast.

kittenin this a thousand times!

But if we don’t go glassy, we get no bags.

Then get the CD-reduction traits, but not the other stuff. It’s enough to tag. :P
I have the same issue whenever I go WvW, enemies just die soooo easily. Yes, in theory, given an absolutely clean sterile environment they’d stomp all over me. More often than not their damage train derails on a random Feedback bubble or a shower of crippling arrows, and then they die in 2 hits.

Considering the road back, staying alive is considerable more important (adds meat to your group) than doing high damage. I can easily do 100% more damage by investing 5 seconds more combat time. I lose minutes of damage from dying and running back.

In my honest opinion every class except Ranger should have their damage nerfed by about 90%.

OT: If you’re playing against a mesmer i think it’s best to first lay down a big aoe if you’re a quick observer you’ll notice the illusions quite easily due to the lack of HP compared to the real deal. After you made sure you have the right one get him with a cc of some sort that prevents and use normal burst till around 40% at this point the best thing to do is lay down a bigger stun/daze or fear if you have that followed by a short quick high burst. I found that to one of the better ways to get down a mesmer.

a tip: When they’re downed and create that illusion just look at the one with a big red arrow pointing towards it. The illussion mesmer doesn’t have that.

Given this is the only AOE that a Mesmer can use beyond Chaos Storm to attack on walls and all other illusions are blocked from being created or are standing on the ground outside, doing nothing, I’d be surprised if this isn’t exactly how the skill is supposed to work.

1. It’s no worse (and less damage) than any AOE an Elementalist or Ranger can put up, more often. Most of the time I have to be standing at the wall to even get it to work as I can’t just choose a spot for it to land and hit like other AOE’s.

2. It’s not the only ability in game without LOS, and it’s been like this for a long time through several nerf bats. The other abilities you can’t stop too by just killing the illusion.

3. Without it the Mesmer is pointless on keep attacks, we have no large attacks for doors, we have only 1 AOE on a long timer. Mesmer’s really have the short stick on AOE options as our illusions don’t spawn in a location when attacking or defending a keep where we could use Shatter, beyond the clone from GS or the Berserker, all other clones spawn by the Mesmer and won’t go through walls or bypass LOS, so they stand still and do nothing.

4. Never killed anyone or anything I couldn’t have killed with normal AOE from my Elementalist, or my Ranger, or even my Engineer, unless they are ignoring the damage, most people I can target get smart fast and move just like for any other AOE, the smartest ones kill the Illusion. Because of targeting/culling in the game, you pull back from the wall you go poof and there goes the target for the next Illusion.

5. Yes, it can hit siege equipment. The problem isn’t that (as a lot other than a zerker hits those), it’s that you can’t repair siege equipment. I’m hoping that will be an option at some point so you can fix it over any nerfs.

Sorry, I’m really thinking the Berserker is Working as Intended. But I’m guessing people can want all the candy in the jar and will get it eventually if they keep saying it in a loud voice.

iBeserker does a few k of damage, wtf are you talking about??? If you were severely damaged already you might be in trouble but other than that its a 2 shot nuisance.

I find it ironic that half the people in this thread don’t realize that he wasn’t standing at the wall when hit by iBerserker.

It just goes to show you how many Mesmers don’t actually realize how to use the tools that they have.

Personally, I can hit almost anyone and almost any siege in any tower in WvW with iBersereker. My iB crits for 7.5k+ on lowbies. In a Mantra spec my follow up Mind Wrack can crit for up to 5k on lowbies. Phew.

Leviatana.8107:

In my honest opinion every class except Ranger should have their damage nerfed by about 90%.

You’re joking right? Elementalist has the most pathetic damage in the game.

It’s just hillarious that you’re complaining about iBeserker LOS issues and start it off by talking about casting AOE … THROUGH A DOOR.

Must be trolling.

wightnoise.8092:

It’s just hillarious that you’re complaining about iBeserker LOS issues and start it off by talking about casting AOE … THROUGH A DOOR.

Must be trolling.

Especially since he hasn’t even set foot back.

I think targeting iBerserker 1200m thru any obstical is not quite right.

However it’s just as important that the LoS calculations need serious tweaks for stuff on top of walls in WvW. Seriously — if you take away iBerserker then the Mesmer cannot hit anything on top of a wall except with chaos storm, null field, and feedback.

It doesn’t make sense that I can physically see players but not hit them with my GS laser-beam auto-attack.

Face it: if you are on a wall attacking players, you should be targetable yourself!

noot.8641:

Well im not talking about thieves with shortbows who can only take down siege that is placed very close to the edge. because i was in Eternal battlegrounds, i was defending Durios post, and i put an arrowcart where No other player or treb could hit me, NO OTHER PLAYERS AT ALL. till some kitten mesmer came and he knew he could exploit hes phantasms he kept spawning them where no other ppl could hit me, destroying my siege and yes i have to stop using my arrowcart and focus on those kitten phantasms.. now thats just absurd! they shouldnt be able to reach that spot! i couldnt hold off the french zerg because i had to constantly focus on killing those phantasms.. C’mon ANET plx do smth about this!
and imo only rangers should be able to take down siege further away on the walls.

Your rage makes me happy for some reason.
The only ability mesmer has that can hit the top of a keep is Staff 5 iirc. It’s very weak and isn’t intended to be an offensive tool like Elems AOE, Ranger’s AOE, etc. So I don’t feel bad about trashing your siege with my GS 4.

kurrata.6427:

lowest health is somewhere in 14-15k zone. There is no way iberserker hit you for ~12k hp they dont even do damage close to that number or maybe you were lvl 1 in lvl 1 gear while he was in full legendary with real lvl 80?

Since he’s an elementalist, his hp would be below 11k at level 80, if he has no +vit from gear or traits or buffs (orb/food/etc) and just a pure dps spec. So in this specific case it’s actually possible.

Either way, damage on the berserker is fine, the no los requirement on it needs to be fixed though, and elementalists need a lot of love so there’s an actual reason they are the squishiest class while not even being near the top damage dealers.

Wait, I didn’t even notice that. A no-defence Elementalist? Isn’t that basically begging to be killed by any stray projectile flying around?

Diy.5296:

kurrata.6427:

lowest health is somewhere in 14-15k zone. There is no way iberserker hit you for ~12k hp they dont even do damage close to that number or maybe you were lvl 1 in lvl 1 gear while he was in full legendary with real lvl 80?

Since he’s an elementalist, his hp would be below 11k at level 80, if he has no +vit from gear or traits or buffs (orb/food/etc) and just a pure dps spec. So in this specific case it’s actually possible.

Either way, damage on the berserker is fine, the no los requirement on it needs to be fixed though, and elementalists need a lot of love so there’s an actual reason they are the squishiest class while not even being near the top damage dealers.

Berserker LoS can be fixed when they either give us a targeted AoE on par with the other classes or fix all targeted AoE so it can’t go through doors or out of LoS itself.

Can we please let this useless thread die please? I paid for this game too and I don’t know why I should have the profession I enjoy nerfed just because you can’t grow up and stop throwing a little tantrum over losing in a game.

If you want to bring up the issue of LoS, maybe make another thread with an appropriate title and a starting post that doesn’t scream T_T. They should make a separate QQ sub-forum for people like the OP. Or a troll forum. I haven’t figured out which.

Levetty.1279:

Berserker LoS can be fixed when they either give us a targeted AoE on par with the other classes or fix all targeted AoE so it can’t go through doors or out of LoS itself.

What’s wrong with chaos storm?