Guild Wars 2

i really laugh when i hear the words overpowered and underpowered classes. its not a 1v1 game and there is a reason for tournament to be 5v5 and that is there will never be a balance in 1v1 unless u make all people play a one class with same build and utilities .

seriously, some classes are meant to be killer classes that will burst u down in no time if u dont react or use defensive utilities such as theives. mean while they can die pretty fast aswell if u lock them down and counter them. while others are meant to deal low damage but take lots of beating cause of their surviving utilities and traits such as guardians (block , selfhealing utilites , condition removal ..etc) . some can be traited for healing and boon applying for your team which is “Overpowered” lol as may some people say such as elementalists. but at the end of the day, if you can solo all the other team members you will still never win cause its a team work. and this “overpowered” class will get locked down pretty easy if your team knows how to handle it.

so please guys lets stop the none sense talking about NERFING and BOOSTING any class. its like when you get used to play something they take it away from you cause so many people either want a boost or a nerf and it got to a point that i really dont enjoy playing like this untill things get stable. i like my mesmer in his all conditions and i will figure a way to play it even if they change it to be the 4th clone of your clones or whatever.

so simply if you think something is overpowered go ahead and play it and i guarantee that i will see those people still posting and whining about something else.

sorry again but i had to say this since i have been reading the forum for quite some time and i got annoyed with some of the posts here and there.

Thank you <3333

are you kidding??? the normal human reaction is 200ms so being able to drop 2-3 clones in a second means any human will take at minimum 600 ms to identify the real Mesmer. Now factor in the ability to swap places with the clone and invisibility and then dodge clones this becomes an insane number, now factor in all this together and on a continuous basis over 60 seconds a human would need to identify and attack the correct target once every 1.5 seconds continuous to stay sustainable vs any other target except thief. And even at that you will only successively land an attack once every 3 attacks. Name one class that burns a Mesmer down without being a 1 shot spec? Oh i dare your to play Mesmer if you haven’t in spvp its like being a small god.

P.s my mesmer is level 69 and unbeaten in wvw in any 1v1 i wreck 80’s just like i do on my 80 guardian with full exotics.

Rizla.1023:

are you kidding??? the normal human reaction is 200ms so being able to drop 2-3 clones in a second means any human will take at minimum 600 ms to identify the real Mesmer. Now factor in the ability to swap places with the clone and invisibility and then dodge clones this becomes an insane number, now factor in all this together and on a continuous basis over 60 seconds a human would need to identify and attack the correct target once every 1.5 seconds continuous to stay sustainable vs any other target except thief. And even at that you will only successively land an attack once every 3 attacks. Name one class that burns a Mesmer down without being a 1 shot spec?

You forgot one thing. AOE can absolutely shred the clones. It’s frustrating to cast mirror images and a 3rd clone, only to have an ele rip them to pieces. Plus, all the reaction times you are spouting are implying IF the player acts similar to the clones, which is false. I both play with and against mesmers often, and It is not impossible to find the real one.(unless stealth comes into play).

“Name one class that burns a Mesmer down without being a 1 shot spec?”

Name a class that doesn’t run a 1 shot spec in pvp?

oh so every class has an aoe on hand a every 3 seconds to shred the clones???? and no class from thief 1 shots me ever.

D/D Ele. Bunker stats for increased survivability. Pbaoe destroys clones, mitigating mesmer effectiveness while also hitting you. High mobility that allows the profession to swoop in and escape. Control and condition removal.

try one. even as a beginner and you can faceroll 1 to 5 with attunement spam and still do fairly ok. Not great of course but you’ll be surprised. The great d/d eles take it to a complete shock and awe level

I have never met an ele that i can’t burst down in 20 seconds or less and i ain’t even 80 maybe i got lucky. I’m just saying any class that can swap position and clone themselves should have nowhere near the burst they currently do. At the moment my mesmer can out burst my 80 warrior and they have clones to take the hits.

Rizla … u quite didnt get my point here. lets say mesmer got nerfed to a point where your auto attack is the only damage ability you have. i will still love it and play it … while u will still come here complaining about it cause some of the mesmers are brilliantly smart to figure out a new trait or play style or whatever that others who cant differentiate between the real one and the clone will fail and eventualy with only auto attacking they will die lol

so please stop i dont care if they nerf it or boost it … i just want it to be stable !!!!!!!

shadowes.1640:

Rizla … u quite didnt get my point here. lets say mesmer got nerfed to a point where your auto attack is the only damage ability you have. i will still love it and play it … while u will still come here complaining about it cause some of the mesmers are brilliantly smart to figure out a new trait or play style or whatever that others who cant differentiate between the real one and the clone will fail and eventualy with only auto attacking they will die lol

so please stop i dont care if they nerf it or boost it … i just want it to be stable !!!!!!!

What? your reply makes no sense. you say you will love it no matter what even with auto attack being the only attack. So what if u didnt want a reply then why post???
I’m saying they are overpowered i’m not biased in the fact i have an 80 guardian 80 warrior 80 thief 80 ranger 80 necro ect and probably finish my mesmer off next. I am honestly saying i have never played a class that’s been so OP since i played recon or whatever the theif was in swotr and i ran around 1 shotting people as they lay on the floor helpless.

Raven.4690:

D/D Ele. Bunker stats for increased survivability. Pbaoe destroys clones, mitigating mesmer effectiveness while also hitting you. High mobility that allows the profession to swoop in and escape. Control and condition removal.

try one. even as a beginner and you can faceroll 1 to 5 with attunement spam and still do fairly ok. Not great of course but you’ll be surprised. The great d/d eles take it to a complete shock and awe level

Everyone keeps saying ele this ele that i have an 80 ele aswell bunker speced and i got to say its easy to kill people if you know wat ur doing and ive faced so many bad D/D eles on my mesmer it was a cake walk killing them all they ever do is attack my clones half the time they never even get me below 18k hp x.x so not all new people playing ele can wreck a good mesmer its just not going to happen im sorry to break it to you.

Lordryux.9785:

Raven.4690:

D/D Ele. Bunker stats for increased survivability. Pbaoe destroys clones, mitigating mesmer effectiveness while also hitting you. High mobility that allows the profession to swoop in and escape. Control and condition removal.

try one. even as a beginner and you can faceroll 1 to 5 with attunement spam and still do fairly ok. Not great of course but you’ll be surprised. The great d/d eles take it to a complete shock and awe level

Everyone keeps saying ele this ele that i have an 80 ele aswell bunker speced and i got to say its easy to kill people if you know wat ur doing and ive faced so many bad D/D eles on my mesmer it was a cake walk killing them all they ever do is attack my clones half the time they never even get me below 18k hp x.x so not all new people playing ele can wreck a good mesmer its just not going to happen im sorry to break it to you.

Did you even read what he wrote? He said “do fairly ok” and “Not great of course” no where did he say noob ele wreck mesmers.

oh so 1 class with 1 certain spec does fairly OK and this is balance?

Rizla.1023:

oh so 1 class with 1 certain spec does fairly OK and this is balance?

There will NEVER be balance in 1v1 … you honestly need to read the whole post again. it isnt about 1v1 .. it isnt about balance .. its about people like you who read what they want and forget about the rest. the guy also said “its easy to kill anyone if you know what you’re doing” and i have a guardian and necro also and i can kill mesmers with no problem at all …. so either you need to practice and step up your game with your other classes or either the people you are playing against with your mesmer are terribly bad and have no idea on how to play.

i am not saying the mesmer is bad or broken and need a boost but i am also not buying that the mesmer is a Godlike class like you represent it that can “Burst” anyone without dying. and either ways why are you so mad ? … chill out just enjoy the game and 1 shot everyone.

WillOfIron.5273:

Lordryux.9785:

Raven.4690:

D/D Ele. Bunker stats for increased survivability. Pbaoe destroys clones, mitigating mesmer effectiveness while also hitting you. High mobility that allows the profession to swoop in and escape. Control and condition removal.

try one. even as a beginner and you can faceroll 1 to 5 with attunement spam and still do fairly ok. Not great of course but you’ll be surprised. The great d/d eles take it to a complete shock and awe level

Everyone keeps saying ele this ele that i have an 80 ele aswell bunker speced and i got to say its easy to kill people if you know wat ur doing and ive faced so many bad D/D eles on my mesmer it was a cake walk killing them all they ever do is attack my clones half the time they never even get me below 18k hp x.x so not all new people playing ele can wreck a good mesmer its just not going to happen im sorry to break it to you.

Did you even read what he wrote? He said “do fairly ok” and “Not great of course” no where did he say noob ele wreck mesmers.

has nothing to do with the point that if u go into pvp with that spec and thinking ur going to do even remotely good after not even knowing the combos and ur attunement spells yea. ur going to get wrecked no matter how which way u look at it you wont do okay at all you will do verry bad

wow how many whiners, because they learn to play? I used to fight the thieves and their hellish damage, arto die because of them but I will not mourn that are op in 1 build, just practice more and eventually die much less.
1023 Rizla noticed some mesmer kill you and you came to mourn the forum furious to miss anymore. I feel sorry

what will happen when you take the next patch? weep for some improvement in the mesmer do not rest till or eliminate this kind of game?

another thing is very easy to identify the true when using the build Demolish. but to try too lol

Actually, ppl that kill my clones and phantasms has make me a sad kitten that hits about as awesome as a wet noodle. The more experienced and higher bracket players/players who also play the mesmer profession are the ones who leave me illusion starved and have no trouble at all identifying me despite decoy or any other trick.

Rizla.1023:

oh so every class has an aoe on hand a every 3 seconds to shred the clones???? and no class from thief 1 shots me ever.

How about you play some PvP first, before you just repeat forum whine you picked up?
You sound a lot like you simply lack experience.

Well this thread quickly turned into a bunch of crying… seriously people try and be a little appreciative of the work that’s been put in this game. Overall the game runs pretty smoothly and the devs are obviously working on things and are nice enough to give us updates on the forum. I guess I’m not as doom and gloom as most people seem to be here. I see all these people that either QQ mesmer is so overpowered or they QQ mesmer is so underpowered. Maybe you guys should take a step back, chill out, and try to figure out how to beat what you think is OP or try to get around what you think is underpowered? Use your brain a little? Everything in life doesn’t just get handed to you, you have to, you know, work for it now and then.

When I first started playing mesmer I felt pretty dang weak but you know what? I worked thru it, tried different gear, different builds, and I figured out what would work for me. Can I instakill everything? Hell no! What fun would that be? But I can put up a good fight and pretty often I come out on top but it takes strategy in battle to do. Mesmer is not an easy straightforward class.

The game shouldn’t be balanced around how easy it is to kill noobs. Stop acting like Mesmer clones are some godly ability. They confound noobs who don’t understand the class, as well as people who refuse to learn about the class. They also buy you a little bit of time versus non-noobs as it will take a moment to see which Mesmer has an offhand, is attacking faster, and actually moving. Even Mesmers that act like clones in the hopes that it will trick people can’t fool people who actually have experience playing or fighting against Mesmers.

Clones are infinity better for body blocking projectiles than they are at tricking a non-noob player. Noobs are going to lose against an experienced player no matter which class happens to be in the fight. Stop arguing that noob-stomping makes one class over powered over others.

Kazhiel got a point btw, if you don’t enjoy the game at least take a time out, and if you do, stop using prophetic-apocalyptic language.

Actually, the game is fairly well-balanced for such a new game.

sinican.9250:

“Name one class that burns a Mesmer down without being a 1 shot spec?”

Name a class that doesn’t run a 1 shot spec in pvp?

Engineer, Necromancer, Guardian, Ranger. Will that do?

you can’t avoid it in pvp games

pve only games? you rarely hear about it

Choops.3710:

sinican.9250:

Name a class that doesn’t run a 1 shot spec in pvp?

Engineer, Necromancer, Guardian, Ranger. Will that do?

Mesmer, Elementalist, Thief. There, we covered all of the professions that can not down a player in 1 shot. The only one left is extremely situational to be pulled off. Was there a point here?

Sarcasmic.6741:

Choops.3710:

sinican.9250:

Name a class that doesn’t run a 1 shot spec in pvp?

Engineer, Necromancer, Guardian, Ranger. Will that do?

Mesmer, Elementalist, Thief. There, we covered all of the professions that can not down a player in 1 shot. The only one left is extremely situational to be pulled off. Was there a point here?

Yes, you made it.

The great thing about this game is there is no 1 skill that can down someone, it’s always conditional to come out with a kill combo. Once you know the combo, you now have at your disposal the conditions required to make that kill, negate any of the conditions and it’s no longer a kill combo.

If builds aren’t even remotely balanced in a 1v1, how is it going to be balanced in a 5v5?

The most used builds in tPvP are extremely strong in 1v1’s.

shadowes.1640 :

It’s not a 1v1 game and there is a reason for tournament to be 5v5 and that is there will never be a balance in 1v1

You can’t use that as an argument.

Chakuna.6325:

If builds aren’t even remotely balanced in a 1v1, how is it going to be balanced in a 5v5?

The most used builds in tPvP are extremely strong in 1v1’s.

shadowes.1640 :

It’s not a 1v1 game and there is a reason for tournament to be 5v5 and that is there will never be a balance in 1v1

You can’t use that as an argument.

Are you suggesting that every class should have a counter for every other class? that is what is necessary to balance 1v1v1v1v1v1… The reason it can be used as an argument is because you can balance 3-5 player groups around team balance so that every class doesn’t have the exact same skills, same stats, same weapons, etc.

Please let’s enjoy the game as it is ….

Kind of hard to do when others are able to run ahead of you and the “enjoyment” is half done by the time you even get there.

Everything else I can work around without a major gear investment, even skilled players seeing through clones. I just changed to a shatter build and stood behind my clones when shatters are on CD. Now I agree it shouldn’t be necessary to have to change builds just because of the latest patch, but unfortunately this is happening because bugs are nerfing some builds quite a bit too much (and a few intentional nerfs did this as well like the latest nerf to Ill. Membrane), and without patch notes its hard to track them all so you don’t always know why you suddenly suck.

Some other players more skilled than me may be able to make their current build work when nerfed, and all power to them. I’m just saying what worked for me and what is not working (or at least what changes/issues are making the game much less enjoyable for me).

sinican.9250:

Chakuna.6325:

If builds aren’t even remotely balanced in a 1v1, how is it going to be balanced in a 5v5?

The most used builds in tPvP are extremely strong in 1v1’s.

shadowes.1640 :

It’s not a 1v1 game and there is a reason for tournament to be 5v5 and that is there will never be a balance in 1v1

You can’t use that as an argument.

Are you suggesting that every class should have a counter for every other class? that is what is necessary to balance 1v1v1v1v1v1… The reason it can be used as an argument is because you can balance 3-5 player groups around team balance so that every class doesn’t have the exact same skills, same stats, same weapons, etc.

My point is: If your build is complete kitten in a 1v1, chances are, they’re going to be even worse in a 5v5.

Rizla.1023:

are you kidding??? the normal human reaction is 200ms so being able to drop 2-3 clones in a second means any human will take at minimum 600 ms to identify the real Mesmer. Now factor in the ability to swap places with the clone and invisibility and then dodge clones this becomes an insane number, now factor in all this together and on a continuous basis over 60 seconds a human would need to identify and attack the correct target once every 1.5 seconds continuous to stay sustainable vs any other target except thief. And even at that you will only successively land an attack once every 3 attacks. Name one class that burns a Mesmer down without being a 1 shot spec? Oh i dare your to play Mesmer if you haven’t in spvp its like being a small god.

Step 1: Press Ctrl + T.
Step 2: Press T.
Step 3: Cast skill.

Chakuna.6325:

sinican.9250:

Chakuna.6325:

If builds aren’t even remotely balanced in a 1v1, how is it going to be balanced in a 5v5?

The most used builds in tPvP are extremely strong in 1v1’s.

shadowes.1640 :

It’s not a 1v1 game and there is a reason for tournament to be 5v5 and that is there will never be a balance in 1v1

You can’t use that as an argument.

Are you suggesting that every class should have a counter for every other class? that is what is necessary to balance 1v1v1v1v1v1… The reason it can be used as an argument is because you can balance 3-5 player groups around team balance so that every class doesn’t have the exact same skills, same stats, same weapons, etc.

My point is: If your build is complete kitten in a 1v1, chances are, they’re going to be even worse in a 5v5.

Everyone is worse in a 5v5 that is why it is team oriented. You aren’t supposed to be able to 1v5 without the support of other classes.

Maybe you need to sit down and think about what you are really asking for because asking for every class/build to be able to 1v1 every class/build isn’t balance.

Why is everyone calling for nerfs on other professions just because they cannot effectively fight it. Being able to have any dmg mitigation in your set up is crucial in EVERY build even a glass cannon build should have one dmg mitigation. For mesmers that run shatter heavy that is decoy. We do not need nerfed. NO class in this game needs nerfed. People need to pick a profession they love and stick with it and learn how to fight every other profession.

Rizla.1023:

are you kidding??? the normal human reaction is 200ms so being able to drop 2-3 clones in a second means any human will take at minimum 600 ms to identify the real Mesmer. Now factor in the ability to swap places with the clone and invisibility and then dodge clones this becomes an insane number, now factor in all this together and on a continuous basis over 60 seconds a human would need to identify and attack the correct target once every 1.5 seconds continuous to stay sustainable vs any other target except thief. And even at that you will only successively land an attack once every 3 attacks. Name one class that burns a Mesmer down without being a 1 shot spec? Oh i dare your to play Mesmer if you haven’t in spvp its like being a small god.

P.s my mesmer is level 69 and unbeaten in wvw in any 1v1 i wreck 80’s just like i do on my 80 guardian with full exotics.

Warriors 100 blades. 28k damage…. Engineers Supply drop… kills everything…. Guardians I havent played as one yet but I hear they take the biggest beating.