Power Vs Condition: What am I doing wrong?

Power Vs Condition: What am I doing wrong?

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Posted by: Toolbox.9375

Toolbox.9375

I’ve recently taken an interest in Mesmer, so I looked up a few guides and found that they all say Power is absolutely the way to go.

But, that’s definitely not what I’m finding. In testing between the two in the Fractal lobby using an idle champion-rank training golem, the condition build doles at damage at a good two-to-three times the rate of any power variation I attempted… It even deals around 150% of my full-Berserker Daredevil.

Now, admittedly, the power build is at quite a disadvantage; because I can’t really afford to spend frivolously, the body equipment is exotic Rampager’s gear, and the runes are Runes of the Krait. Additionally, the condition build gets exotic Giver’s Scepter and Pistol, whereas the power build gets lowly green Berserker weapons. The trinkets, at least, are full-Ascended Berserker for the power build, and Sinister for the condition build.

Condition build’s traits are…
– Illusions
– - Compounding Power (+3% damage and +50 Condition Damage per illusion)
– - Phantasmal Haste (Illusions attack 20% more often)
– - Malicious Sorcery (Scepter attacks 20% faster)
– Dueling
– - Duelist’s Discipline (Phantasmal Duelist gains 50% chance to cause bleeding per hit)
– Chaos
– - Chaotic Transference (Gain 10% of Toughness as Condition Damage)

Power build’s traits are…
– Illusions
– - Compounding Power (+3% damage and +50 Condition Damage per illusion)
– - Phantasmal Haste (Illusions attack 20% more often)
– Dueling
– - Phantasmal Fury (Illusions have permanent Fury)
– - Fencer’s Finesse (Basically 150 Ferocity)
– Domination
– - Empowered Illusions (Illusions deal 15% more damage)

I’ve got the Condition Damage and Duration Signets slotted in both cases, as well.

In both cases, I’m simply summoning the relevant Phantasm (Pistol for Condition, offhand Sword for Power) and autoattacking. I’m sure there are more potent ways to go about it, but I didn’t see anything particularly impactful to incorporate into a rotation.

Now, I know it’s far from optimal, and the Power setup definitely has a disadvantage due to the gear, but I find it hard to believe that the gear can be the reason for such a huge difference between the two. What all am I doing wrong, here? What makes Power builds so much more favorable?

The class is always greener on the other side.

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Posted by: Faction.4013

Faction.4013

I find the same results, honestly.

Although I’m running with Viper’s gear (3 of 6 Ascended, Rampager’s weapons, Illusions – Dueling – Chronomancer, 100% Bleed Duration & 86% Confusion Duration), I find that against champs & Legendary enemies I can hit almost 9,000 bleed ticks with the 3 Pistoleers out. The ramp-up time is the only small problem, but I use the Healing Signet to refresh the CD’s in my CSplit / Well rotation, so I can get 3 duelists up in about 8 seconds.

I’ve ran Power EVERYTHING in the years I’ve played Mesmers, and I’ve always been underwhelmed with the damage (shocker…). I threw on some Viper’s just for lols and was amazed at the overall change, as I can have a full support role with wells and such, while still having my bleeds stack up into the 50s. Which means that in 1 CSplit, I can do over 36,000 damage in the 5 seconds, while buffing my group / myself, and that’s just off bleeds. That’s not counting Confusion / Torment, Blocks, slows & shatters, as my secondary offhand weapon is the Shield.

I’ve taken it into Fractals as high as 92 and have had zero problems. The only issues I’ve had was getting my duelists spawned due to event mechanics & allies going down, etc. But once the 3 duelists are up, you’re set for at-least 45 seconds. Then it’s Scepter 1 & 3, and Wells / CSplit / Time Warp.

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Posted by: Eponet.4829

Eponet.4829

Power builds aren’t the way to go because of their damage, nothing mesmers can do competes with just sitting on 3 duelists.

But the reliance on duelists are also the reason why the power build is favoured. Shield Phantasms have the potential to do even more damage than duelists do by maintaining group alacrity much better than just relying on wells would, and without duelists, the power build is much more competitive.

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Posted by: Carighan.6758

Carighan.6758

Question: If you are doing bleed ticks while supporting, how do you do your traits? Inspiration, Dueling, Chrono?

The strength of heart to face oneself has been made manifest. The persona Carighan has appeared.

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Posted by: Amadan.9451

Amadan.9451

if you are looking for pure dps condition vanilla mesmer is the way to go.
although power builds are best suited for boon sharing and alacrity which is why mesmer are the queens of the parties^^

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