Guild Wars 2

I ask because currently I run rabid gear when I play condi pu and it looks like Dire might be the better stat selection. It would be nice having another 5k+ hitpoints.

The main concern I would have with this is the amount of damage you would lose on sharper image without precision.

I’ve tried PU condi with dire and rabid. You tbh don’t need any more HP than you have as you have a ton of protection, regeneration, toughness ect. and loosing that precision will be a massive damage loss.

Forgot about sharper images.
Thanks

yeah the dmg coming form sharper image is definitely worth going for rabid.during glamtimes even if we already had dire, we would have used rabid because of precision.

What if you take Phantasmal Fury?

UrMom.4205:

What if you take Phantasmal Fury?

Phantasmal Fury only affects phantasms. We only have 1 rapid hitting phantasm (iDuelist).

Majority of the bleed stacks from Sharper Images come from clones, not the phantasms.

DeathReign.7821:

UrMom.4205:

What if you take Phantasmal Fury?

Phantasmal Fury only affects phantasms. We only have 1 rapid hitting phantasm (iDuelist).

Majority of the bleed stacks from Sharper Images come from clones, not the phantasms.

oh makes sense, the more ya know. Thanks!

another question, what’s a good crit chance to have?

I’d try to get at least 50+.

if you wear rabid your iduelist will average about 4 stacks of bleed.. if you run rampagers your iduelest will average 7 stacks of bleed.. + you will have alittle hybrid from the power and your clones will have more crit chance.. just saying.

zaxon.6819:

if you wear rabid your iduelist will average about 4 stacks of bleed.. if you run rampagers your iduelest will average 7 stacks of bleed.. + you will have alittle hybrid from the power and your clones will have more crit chance.. just saying.

And if you wear rampagers, you’ll have base armor and thieves will 2-shot you…in an attrition build.

UrMom.4205:

DeathReign.7821:

UrMom.4205:

What if you take Phantasmal Fury?

Phantasmal Fury only affects phantasms. We only have 1 rapid hitting phantasm (iDuelist).

Majority of the bleed stacks from Sharper Images come from clones, not the phantasms.

oh makes sense, the more ya know. Thanks!

I find most of the bleeds come from phantasms and clone deaths, not clone autoattacks. Most condi builds don’t use greatsword, which is the only weapon set whose clones could reliably stack bleeds. All the other weapon sets attack too slowly or need to be in melee.

That said, gonna echo what everyone else said. If you play PU, stick with rabid. You have enough passive defense that you really don’t need the extra health.

Aim for ~40% crit chance. With phantasmal fury, your duelists will stack 5-6 bleeds every attack.

I’d definately say yes.

Especially in the case of the mesmer, without precision you depend VERY heavily on your opponent to kill themselves. If they just run about in a circle what are you going to do? Your confusion means nothing, your bleeds on clone death mean nothing, the only thing you can actually do to them if they just stand there and /laugh is AA with a staff, which wont kill them on it’s own.

So, while Dire makes you virtually unkillable, it almost means you cant kill anyone unless they make mistakes constantly throughout a fight. With Precision, you can stack constantly bleeds on someone even if they arent killing your clones and are managing to not spam their way to death with confusion.

rampagers+pu is still 10x more defensive then shatter. i think its not great advice to say dont play it because you are scared of thieves.. you beat theives on reaction not by tanking thier hits.

zaxon.6819:

rampagers+pu is still 10x more defensive then shatter. i think its not great advice to say dont play it because you are scared of thieves.. you beat theives on reaction not by tanking thier hits.

Rampagers offers you weak power, weak condition damage, no ferocity, and a pointless abundance of precision for overall mediocre damage. Using PU with that will only allow you to run away when you realize you can’t kill anyone.

i play with rampagers and can kill full glass and full bunker. seems silly for you to show up with very little info and make silly statments.

Good for you that you find success with that gear, but I’ve never seen a hybrid build that can match the damage output of either full rabid or full berserker.

k. the added percision + power = more damage then the rabid for my certian spec. i would be downgrading to go zerkers or rabid. ive tested in pvp and for a long time on the dummy. but that is just my spec.. im certian if you put rampagers on one of the sticky cookie cutter specs in the forums it would suck real bad.

mango.9267:

UrMom.4205:

DeathReign.7821:

UrMom.4205:

What if you take Phantasmal Fury?

Phantasmal Fury only affects phantasms. We only have 1 rapid hitting phantasm (iDuelist).

Majority of the bleed stacks from Sharper Images come from clones, not the phantasms.

oh makes sense, the more ya know. Thanks!

I find most of the bleeds come from phantasms and clone deaths, not clone autoattacks. Most condi builds don’t use greatsword, which is the only weapon set whose clones could reliably stack bleeds. All the other weapon sets attack too slowly or need to be in melee.

That said, gonna echo what everyone else said. If you play PU, stick with rabid. You have enough passive defense that you really don’t need the extra health.

Aim for ~40% crit chance. With phantasmal fury, your duelists will stack 5-6 bleeds every attack.

If you’re talking about a simple target test where you can put up 3 iDuelists, then yeah, sure iDuelist stacks a lot of bleeds rapidly. But it is the only phantasm that does so. Which will die in 1-2 hits from aoes. With a 20 second untraited cool down. With a long cool down between its own attack cycle even when alive. Which is hilariously avoidable.

Staff and Scepter clones are ranged, with a decent auto attack cycle. Happily expended (kill them please!) and easily re-attained.

I know we’re discussing Sharper Images here, but debilitating dissipation does not work with phantasms. Staff clones also cast Winds of Chaos. These provide cover conditions (pressure) for the limited condition clears that your opponents will carry (unless you’re fighting a lul clear all conditions class).

TL;DR: yes, I agree that iDuelist can stack up bleeds pretty well, but I simply can’t agree that it out-weighs the conditions that clones apply. Especially in team or outnumbered fights.

not sure why people talk in such blanket terms. It is not about outweighing anything. It is about being able to apply conditions no matter what spec your enemy plays.. if they are single target you need clones/phantasms to apply your conditions or you do no damage. if your enemy clears clones you need to upkeep them and force them into torment blocks to apply conditions. It is not one way or the other, it is either or both depending on the situation.

zaxon.6819:

not sure why people talk in such blanket terms. It is not about outweighing anything. It is about being able to apply conditions no matter what spec your enemy plays.. if they are single target you need clones/phantasms to apply your conditions or you do no damage. if your enemy clears clones you need to upkeep them and force them into torment blocks to apply conditions. It is not one way or the other, it is either or both depending on the situation.

I like how you accuse someone else of showing up without any information and make silly statements and then do the exact same thing.

The issue was sharper images on clones with precision vs sharper images on iduelist without precision but with phantasmal fury.

My point was that majority of the bleed stacks come from clones with sharper images (therein explaining the need for precision, and not simply giving phantasms fury), and while phantasmal fury would give the iDuelist sufficient crit chance to proc sharper images fairly often, does not out-perform clones with Sharper Images in most scenarios. Mango said that he/she felt that phantasms benefited more from Sharper Images than clones, and I was rebutting that.

Your statement, whether or not one I agree with, is irrelevant.