Guild Wars 2

Does anyone know what proportion of total damage (dps) is attributable to phantasms vs. the mesmer when using a PVE mesmer build (e.g., 0/20/0/25/25) and given three iduelists/iswordsmen up?

Probably well over 90%

If you’re attacking only with sword autoattack, then I think the % from phantasms goes down to 60% more or less.
Doing something else, like summoning a phantasm, healing… will make your phantasms to have the % Pyro said.

Yeah its going to be ALOT of the damage.

Ansau.7326:

If you’re attacking only with sword autoattack, then I think the % from phantasms goes down to 60% more or less.
Doing something else, like summoning a phantasm, healing… will make your phantasms to have the % Pyro said.

I’m thinking even just straight autoattack will be at least 80%.

Assume each autoattack chain is roughly the same duration as a swordsman attack. 1k 1k 2k gets you 4k for an auto chain, and 6.5k for a swordsman attack. That rounds out to around 4/23 for yourself or about 17/83 split.

Wow. So this suggests that taking compounding power or empowering mantras is much less valuable than taking empowered illusions and phantasmal strength. However, I do not think it is feasible to take empowered illusions and phantasmal strength and still get phantasmal haste.

Moonrabbit.1543:

Wow. So this suggests that taking compounding power or empowering mantras is much less valuable than taking empowered illusions and phantasmal strength. However, I do not think it is feasible to take empowered illusions and phantasmal strength and still get phantasmal haste.

I use a 10/30/0/30/0 build with empowering mantras and 3 mantras, so I can have better damage on auto attacks and still hard hitting phantasms (empowered illusions + phantasmal strength + 100 in power).
I try to balance the lack of illusionist celerity with blade training and warden’s feedback since I use sword and focus oh. That said I don’t really miss phantasmal haste when using sword oh, since the trait suposedly doesn’t work on ISwordman. Now for IDuelist, that’s another story… Still, +30% dmg that’s not too bad I guess.

Uh, wow. Please don’t just say random things if you don’t know what you’re talking about. Similarly, please stop listening to people who clearly have no idea what they’re talking about.

Unbuffed, no consumabkitten ons, or stacks, ruby orbs: 0/20/0/25/25 P/D:
Mesmer: 1700
3 Duelists: 2100 + 600 in bleed

Buffed, 25 vuln, might, fury, banners, Empower Allies, Curry Butternut + Potion:
Mesmer: 5300
3 Duelists: 4800 + 1400 bleed

Buffed, all of the above + Spotter + Frost Spirit:
Mesmer: 6000
3 Duelists: 5100 + 1500 bleed

So the split ranges between about 40/60 and 50/50 depending on the buffs you actually have. If you use Scholar, it pushes it more towards the mesmer, if you use ruby, more towards the phantasms. That’s with Duelists, if you use Wardens or Swordsmen your damage skews towards the mesmer a lot more since they don’t do as much.

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

Uh, wow. Please don’t just say random things if you don’t know what you’re talking about. Similarly, please stop listening to people who clearly have no idea what they’re talking about.

Unbuffed, no consumabkitten ons, or stacks, ruby orbs: 0/20/0/25/25 P/D:
Mesmer: 1700
3 Duelists: 2100 + 600 in bleed

Buffed, 25 vuln, might, fury, banners, Empower Allies, Curry Butternut + Potion:
Mesmer: 5300
3 Duelists: 4800 + 1400 bleed

Buffed, all of the above + Spotter + Frost Spirit:
Mesmer: 6000
3 Duelists: 5100 + 1500 bleed

So the split ranges between about 40/60 and 50/50 depending on the buffs you actually have. If you use Scholar, it pushes it more towards the mesmer, if you use ruby, more towards the phantasms. That’s with Duelists, if you use Wardens or Swordsmen your damage skews towards the mesmer a lot more since they don’t do as much.

Hey Guanglai Kangyi.4318,

please be so kind and let me ask you a few questions:

1. How long was the time you tested? (the time from dmgstart to dmgstop)
2. What skills did you use? (not your phantasms)
3. What armor did you use in your tests? (I ask for the stats)
4. Did you write down the total dmg or dps?
5. Which enemy did you face?

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

Uh, wow. Please don’t just say random things if you don’t know what you’re talking about. Similarly, please stop listening to people who clearly have no idea what they’re talking about.

Unbuffed, no consumabkitten ons, or stacks, ruby orbs: 0/20/0/25/25 P/D:
Mesmer: 1700
3 Duelists: 2100 + 600 in bleed

Buffed, 25 vuln, might, fury, banners, Empower Allies, Curry Butternut + Potion:
Mesmer: 5300
3 Duelists: 4800 + 1400 bleed

Buffed, all of the above + Spotter + Frost Spirit:
Mesmer: 6000
3 Duelists: 5100 + 1500 bleed

So the split ranges between about 40/60 and 50/50 depending on the buffs you actually have. If you use Scholar, it pushes it more towards the mesmer, if you use ruby, more towards the phantasms. That’s with Duelists, if you use Wardens or Swordsmen your damage skews towards the mesmer a lot more since they don’t do as much.

Uhhhhhh where in the hell did you get those numbers for duelist damage? Idk what you’re fighting, but unless they have like 10k armor and protection, your duelists are goign to hit far harder than that.

Well if a duelist hits for 10k fully buffed (I’m pulling numbers from vague recollections of dungeon experiences, bear with me) and attacks every 6.5s traited (factoring in channel and recharge I’m assuming, going by the wiki here) that’s around 1.5k-ish DPS per duelist, so three duelists is … basically Guang’s figure.

1h sword DPS, I haven’t got a clue.

Pyroatheist.9031:

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

Uh, wow. Please don’t just say random things if you don’t know what you’re talking about. Similarly, please stop listening to people who clearly have no idea what they’re talking about.

Unbuffed, no consumabkitten ons, or stacks, ruby orbs: 0/20/0/25/25 P/D:
Mesmer: 1700
3 Duelists: 2100 + 600 in bleed

Buffed, 25 vuln, might, fury, banners, Empower Allies, Curry Butternut + Potion:
Mesmer: 5300
3 Duelists: 4800 + 1400 bleed

Buffed, all of the above + Spotter + Frost Spirit:
Mesmer: 6000
3 Duelists: 5100 + 1500 bleed

So the split ranges between about 40/60 and 50/50 depending on the buffs you actually have. If you use Scholar, it pushes it more towards the mesmer, if you use ruby, more towards the phantasms. That’s with Duelists, if you use Wardens or Swordsmen your damage skews towards the mesmer a lot more since they don’t do as much.

Uhhhhhh where in the hell did you get those numbers for duelist damage? Idk what you’re fighting, but unless they have like 10k armor and protection, your duelists are goign to hit far harder than that.

DPS, not “the biggest number I see.”

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

Pyroatheist.9031:

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

Uh, wow. Please don’t just say random things if you don’t know what you’re talking about. Similarly, please stop listening to people who clearly have no idea what they’re talking about.

Unbuffed, no consumabkitten ons, or stacks, ruby orbs: 0/20/0/25/25 P/D:
Mesmer: 1700
3 Duelists: 2100 + 600 in bleed

Buffed, 25 vuln, might, fury, banners, Empower Allies, Curry Butternut + Potion:
Mesmer: 5300
3 Duelists: 4800 + 1400 bleed

Buffed, all of the above + Spotter + Frost Spirit:
Mesmer: 6000
3 Duelists: 5100 + 1500 bleed

So the split ranges between about 40/60 and 50/50 depending on the buffs you actually have. If you use Scholar, it pushes it more towards the mesmer, if you use ruby, more towards the phantasms. That’s with Duelists, if you use Wardens or Swordsmen your damage skews towards the mesmer a lot more since they don’t do as much.

Uhhhhhh where in the hell did you get those numbers for duelist damage? Idk what you’re fighting, but unless they have like 10k armor and protection, your duelists are goign to hit far harder than that.

DPS, not “the biggest number I see.”

Ok, but if it’s dps, then your mesmer numbers are 12 types of wrong. Mesmer isn’t going to be pulling 6k dps.

How long is the auto chain’s duration? Is it 1.5s like the wiki suggests or longer? If it is, then fully buffed, 6k DPS from mesmer isn’t surprising.

colesy.8490:

How long is the auto chain’s duration? Is it 1.5s like the wiki suggests or longer? If it is, then fully buffed, 6k DPS from mesmer isn’t surprising.

2.5s like every other auto chain ever.

2.07s from thief daggers and 3.6s from warrior axe

condescend somewhere else plz

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

colesy.8490:

How long is the auto chain’s duration? Is it 1.5s like the wiki suggests or longer? If it is, then fully buffed, 6k DPS from mesmer isn’t surprising.

2.5s like every other auto chain ever.

So you’re saying that mes does 15k damage in 2.5 seconds with their autoattack. Yeah, no.

Pyroatheist.9031:

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

colesy.8490:

How long is the auto chain’s duration? Is it 1.5s like the wiki suggests or longer? If it is, then fully buffed, 6k DPS from mesmer isn’t surprising.

2.5s like every other auto chain ever.

So you’re saying that mes does 15k damage in 2.5 seconds with their autoattack. Yeah, no.

That’s not remotely difficult when you’re sitting on that many buffs.

My own record was hitting up to 3.5k+3.5k+5k in 2.5s (when autochain really takes 2.5s) what’d be 12k/2.5s=4,8k/s
I’ve had

• ~10(+2/-2) stacks might
• no bufffood/potion (if i had then only scale venom)
• no Sigil of force
• 25 stacks vulnerability
• rune of the ranger (+5% dmg)
• used 4 Mantra (+16% dmg)
• 3 illusions up (+9% dmg)

So, there really is enough potential to get 15k in 2.5s

• more might
• bufffood
• Sigil of Night/Force

I think you could really do that.

If you’re running phant build, you shouldn’t get ranger runes, empowering mantras or compounding power. They boost your personal damage by + 30%, but phantasms’ only by + 0%.