Questions about power mesmer in WvW & raiding
1. That is correct. The meta is to run 2 chronos for quickness and alacrity buff on the whole party.
2. Yes, it is due to toughness aggro. You gear for the highest toughness in your party so you get the boss aggro. It is possible to switch between the two roles by minimum gear swapping.
3. Yes. Durability rune is probably the more optimal choice in WvW but leadership is not bad either. If you use durability rune in raid, you will have to put on more commander gear for the 100% duration. Going for chaos line is not the best idea as you get more useful utility through domination or illusion line.
So if you go for durability rune, you will most likely be locked up into the tank role for your raid team.
Thanks!
Regarding 2: What is the big difference between me playing the tank role or the dps in actual playstyle. I have never played in raids so I have really no idea. Do you need to run in circles all the time just because you got 200 toughness more than the others?
To 3: Do you think leadership can work out in WvW? I find the condition cleanse quite appealing (especially with mass invisibility, as ohh kitten button) but I am unsure whether the boon duration can be of good use. Maybe if I go PU, with chaos, inspiration and chrono?
1. How Important are Chronomancers in raids? I read somewhere that you always need two, one for tanking and one for dps, is that correct?
Current meta runs 2 chronos. The reason chronos usually run the tank role is that you lose less than when having another class tank. A chrono tank sacrifices some damage while still providing close to similar buff uptime as an utility chrono.
2. What is the big difference between those two positions? Both use zerker gear all the way with a bit commander to get to 100% boon duration, don’t they? Why do you lock yourself in the tanking role if you go durability? Is it because of the toughness agro mechanic?
Regarding 2: What is the big difference between me playing the tank role or the dps in actual playstyle. I have never played in raids so I have really no idea. Do you need to run in circles all the time just because you got 200 toughness more than the others?
Agro mechanic usually works off of toughness and as such you need to be the person with the highest toughness. Breakpoints usually are 1200, 1500 or full minstrel.
The obvious big difference is, as a tank you have to know the fight by heart and have a lot less room for error (except maybe for Deimos where the tank has an arguably easier time than the utility mes).
Besides that you have different positioning and rotations as tank versus utility.
Hey guys,
3b. And then compensate in raids with the chaos traitline to get the additional boon duration?
Your goal is to hit as close to 100% boonduration as possible in the easiest manner available. You get to decide between using:
- different types of armor (minstrel and commanders provide boon duration but also toughness potentially locking you in the tanking role)
- use different types of sigils (Concentration provides 33% boon duration but makes rotation and skill management more of an issue)
- use different types of runes (Leadership provides the most boon duration but requires tons of farming, Herald and Durability are easier to get but provide less boon duration)
- use different trait lines (Chaos provides tons of boon duration, should only be run as tank though and you take a sever signet talent nerf from not having Domination)
- use Platinum Doublons (sacrifices signet slots and might require downgrading trinkets to exotic to be able to equip them in turn sacrificing other stats. minstrel exotics are super expensive)
- use different types of buff food (bountiful sharpening stones are expensive)
Combine any of the points above and figure a setup out which works for you. Use a build editor to compare setups then make a note what you think works for you. My personal prefarence for first time mesmers:
- build for utility mesmer (no tanking stuff thus minstrel and commanders is out)
- don’t use sigil of concentration (makes the rotation tougher and costs quite a bit of gold)
- farm leadership runes, use other types of boon duration until you have them
- no chaos trait line for you, go Domination, Illusions, Chrono
- plan on using Bountiful Sharpening stones (need to be crafted since account bound)
- use exotic trinkets as need be and fillup with bountiful sharpening stones
(edited by Cyninja.2954)
Thanks for your reply!
Combine any of the points above and figure a setup out which works for you. Use a build editor to compare setups then make a note what you think works for you. My personal prefarence for first time mesmers:
- build for utility mesmer (no tanking stuff thus minstrel and commanders is out)
- don’t use sigil of concentration (makes the rotation tougher and costs quite a bit of gold)
- farm leadership runes, use other types of boon duration until you have them
- no chaos trait line for you, go Domination, Illusions, Chrono
- plan on using Bountiful Sharpening stones (need to be crafted since account bound)
- use exotic trinkets as need be and fillup with bountiful sharpening stones
But how do I reach 100% Boon duration then? Buff food(20%) + Leadership Runes (32%) + Bountiful sharpening stones (10%) + 5 Platinum Doubloon(20%) is only 82%. Moreover, why go Illusion over Inspiration? I thought the phantasma trait of Inspiration would be essential. Also, the sharpening stones seem ridiculously expensive.
Any thoughts on WvW with Leadership runes?
Also are there any non power/zerker mesmer builds in use for raids?
Sorry my bad, yes obviously you use Inspiration. Was to tired in the morning when answering.
92% boon duration.
Sub 1,200 toughness same setup as the one above but 3 pieces Commanders.
Sub 1,300 toughness with 5% damage sigil.
You do have to try around a bit. If you want to you can opt for the Sigil of Concentration which would make the rotation a tad harder but help a lot with boon duration. Personally think it’s better to try to avoid that one when starting out because the chance of you missing the bonus is high and then you are sub boon duration cap.
Ahh, I forgot that you can put doubloon in your weapons as well. Thanks for your detailed reply. Is the Sigil of concentration just a l2p issue or does it make the rotation worse?
Ahh, I forgot that you can put doubloon in your weapons as well. Thanks for your detailed reply. Is the Sigil of concentration just a l2p issue or does it make the rotation worse?
It’s l2p, you can do a rotation perfectly fine using the sigil, but it means you have to pay more attention to when you’re swapping weapons and such.
It’s as lot better to use the sigil oif concentration from the start and test it on the golem till you hit your rotation. It is way too efficient to bypass it. Can be difficult when starting but half an hour on the golem and u will be fine. Generally builds without that sigil limit you stat-wise and utility-wise.
It’s as lot better to use the sigil oif concentration from the start and test it on the golem till you hit your rotation. It is way too efficient to bypass it. Can be difficult when starting but half an hour on the golem and u will be fine. Generally builds without that sigil limit you stat-wise and utility-wise.
I agree, but I tend to give my advise based on what I expect to be realistic scenarios or expectations. I know a huge part of the playerbase have never even entered the training area to practice on the golem. Even if they do, that’s usually after they have started raiding.
Yes, ideally people would gear up completely, get enough practice runs on the golem to be adept at their classes rotation and have read up and maybe watched a video or 2 on the boss they are about to try. In reality the group can be happy if at least one of these is true.
wvw full support role best paired with revs and guards this is no dmg build but can stand lot of dmg and condi its only for wvw guild raid with specific builds for teams of 15 and up not for open tag zergs
power mes for focus team with thiefs engis power druids….and condi chronos for solo roaming again this for wvw not pve
Yes, ideally people would gear up completely, get enough practice runs on the golem to be adept at their classes rotation and have read up and maybe watched a video or 2 on the boss they are about to try. In reality the group can be happy if at least one of these is true.
Working on the first, don’t know my rotation for the second yet and watched some raid streams for the third.
I think I agree with zoomberg on learning it the right way and not getting used to something easier but worse.
Go get em! Oh forgot to mention, atm there’s nothing more rewarding than playing a good chrono. From training runs to high Li runs there’s always a spot for a chrono which is a nice opportunity to get into groups without much hassle. So try getting really good at it and you will see the results!
There’s nothing more rewarding than playing a good chrono.
Except when you join WvW, you join a commander and get ditched out of the melee subsquad. Cause mesmer “doesnt get prioritized” while he still demands veil from you. ..Yeah rewarding…
There’s nothing more rewarding than playing a good chrono.
Except when you join WvW, you join a commander and get ditched out of the melee subsquad. Cause mesmer “doesnt get prioritized” while he still demands veil from you. ..Yeah rewarding…
:)
Let’s wait for expansion 2 and then show them all! XD