Guild Wars 2

Hi guys,
so yesteray my mesmer as rised from level 54 to level 80 (thanks knowledge tome buyable with pvp glory!)
I bought for my little asura a full new set of shiny things, with one thing in mind: solo roamer!
I usually do only tpvp, but i like changes, so i tried a new build, and i made this:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vgQQNAW8flknpRtlqxBNcrNiY6RwhcAHJFt2rVSBvdhA-zUyA4MBZaBE9JwpwioxWXLiGreBTjmU1qgsHpIa1kCYRlRA-w
Now, i gotta admit this is pretty brutal! Almost invincible in 1v1, i even won a 1v2 against a guardian and a engie both lvl80 with ease, i had huge fun yesterday.
BUT here comes the real problem:
I am one of the few players that never escape a duel once the fight is started, if i lose, the enemy deserve his wvw experience and the good feeling of the stomp, trying to escape is good if you see a zerg or too much outnumbered, but i have an honor as a player, i’m not gonna show my enemy the back!!
TOO BAD most of the players do not have the same idea as me, so this is what happened yesterday:
-fight a DD ele, after a real long fight he is at 20% life, pull out his FGS and run, i’m too slow to chase him.
-fight a power engie, after only 5 seconds he have 30% life, so he decide to drop his elite on my head (stun), use his rocket coward boots and start running with his perma swiftness.
Now the question is:
How do you guys chase a coward enemy that choose to lose pride instead of taking a free WP after his death?
I really need suggestion here!
Thank you very much

No honor in WvW unfortunately. Roamers try to save their stacks and everyone but Mesmer can run.

You haven’t even run into a hacker yet. There are a fair amount of speed/teleport/ thief ini/vigor/skill hacks out there running solo. Anything that can be hacked client side has been.

It’s annoying but you also have to think that is part of their build.

Mesmer mobility is not on level with Nike Warrior, FGS eles,etc… but in your case you have 0 chasing ability.(No swiftness,Focus,Greatsword,Travel Runes,etc.. )

You invested all in a build to stay and fight.
When fighting this should give you an edge over builds that are more flexible,(Builds that are good at fighting but also good at disengaging ), but other builds edge is that they have a better chance of not to die or reset the fight.

When you do a build you have to think about the trade offs that you are making.
For example, you can trade you staff for a greatsword, you will have less defensive skills but you have a bit more chasing ability, you may not be able to catch everybody but you will catch some people that now you don’t have a chance chasing.

What Jambas said. It is funny that you complain. I always run from mesmers with cond builds and laugh at them. All cond builds in any class suffers from same problem. Unless ppl are stupid and aggressive you can’t kill them. WVW is not a duel. Ganking running hitting in the back is part of the game.
I run traveler runes full power build sometimes GS S/P sometimes S/S S/P and still have thieves engys wars eles even guards run away and easily outrun me.

Jambas.6204:

Mesmer mobility is not on level with Nike Warrior, FGS eles,etc… but in your case you have 0 chasing ability.(No swiftness,Focus,Greatsword,Travel Runes,etc.. )

You invested all in a build to stay and fight.
When fighting this should give you an edge over builds that are more flexible,(Builds that are good at fighting but also good at disengaging ), but other builds edge is that they have a better chance of not to die or reset the fight.

You wouldn’t outrun most classes even if you were spec’d for running. Best chance mesmer has is invis for jukes and hope to god you aren’t poisoned for 30 seconds so you can break combat and waypoint. Same goes for catching people.

Spam /laugh !
It works really great on warriors.

You’re playing a cheesy condition PU spec setup on possibly one of the best 1v1 classes out there?

You’re lucky anyone bothers staying to give you a fight.

If you had any honour as a player you’d be playing pure shatter spec, not some cowardly condition spec.

CD (Dom V) gives you a decent chance that the opponent will be crippled when they start running. Use your signet active to stun them, interrupt their heal if possible. Try to hit with as many bursts at the same time as possible (shatter, BF etc.) Maybe bring Blink and trait it for range so you have some sort of gap-closer.

But honestly, if people decide to run from a condition mesmer, and they have decent tools for running, they will usually get away.

This is WvW, there is no such thing as honor and I don’t know why people even bother looking for it. WvW is all about taking objectives, surviving, helping your server, putting points on the board.

If you are looking to duel, you do so knowing that at any time someone could, #1: Run away when they are about to die, #2: You could be ganked by 20 other players at any time, #3: You could be going against a cheesy build.

That is why solo roaming sucks sometimes and is unrewarding. You have everything going against you. I don’t blame people for wanting to play the high risk/low reward specs. Because in the end everybody just wants to win and look like a pro, and will do it by any means necessary. There is no point in complaining, that is just the way it is and this game isn’t balanced around solo roaming and duels.

Now, there are balance issues, I don’t condone leaving cheese the way it is.

My suggestion is that you should find a roaming buddy to compliment you. Probably somebody with great chasing ability like a Thief or a Warrior.

If they want to run they will. You happen to run a build that can do little to people when they decide to run. I use GS and trait for cripple , it helps a lot on stopping people from getting away. Still if an ele or warrior simple do not want to fight you there isn’t much you can do about it.

phaeris.7604:

You’re playing a cheesy condition PU spec setup on possibly one of the best 1v1 classes out there?

You’re lucky anyone bothers staying to give you a fight.

If you had any honour as a player you’d be playing pure shatter spec, not some cowardly condition spec.

I was going to say roughly the same thing. The whole “honor” thing went out the window when I saw the build was just another condi PU.

Even better is that my full glkittenter can outrun, outchase, and just have more mobility in general than this “only viable build” everyone is using.

Renny.6571:

Jambas.6204:

Mesmer mobility is not on level with Nike Warrior, FGS eles,etc… but in your case you have 0 chasing ability.(No swiftness,Focus,Greatsword,Travel Runes,etc.. )

You invested all in a build to stay and fight.
When fighting this should give you an edge over builds that are more flexible,(Builds that are good at fighting but also good at disengaging ), but other builds edge is that they have a better chance of not to die or reset the fight.

You wouldn’t outrun most classes even if you were spec’d for running. Best chance mesmer has is invis for jukes and hope to god you aren’t poisoned for 30 seconds so you can break combat and waypoint. Same goes for catching people.

I’m pretty sure that I said that.
“Mesmer mobility is not on level with Nike Warrior, FGS eles,etc…”

But if you have 0 Speed/ gap closer even a person with just Travel runes can run from you. And when you build this way you have to be prepared to accept this.

If you want some chase ability:

Greatsword give you 1200 range this allow you to keep hitting your target when u are chasing also give u a Phantasms that will cripple him, against some builds this will give you chance to get close to opponent even finish him if he disengage to late.

Traiting blink for 1200 range and lower CD can also help you chasing people, specially if the illusionary leap dont bug.

But you don’t just need ability to chase you also need ability to kill if you get to your opponent. Staff projectiles are slow so there is a huge chance that that you opponent can keep running forever.

I have to say I am pretty tired of everyone doing nothing but trashing certain builds for being good at something. What’s wrong with a PU build? It has it’s strengths and weaknesses just like every other build. That’s why they are called “builds” there are plenty out there. Love how everyone jumps on a bandwagon to hate on some of the builds out there. I think all of the builds people come up with are pretty cool and it is part of the game.

This guy shouldn’t be hated on just for his build. Give constructive criticism. This is only a game. And not everyone plays like a pro. He just wants to know how to be more mobile.

You’re using a PU build and complaining about mobility? You traded off you’re chasing abilities when you went for conditions. Your best hopes are to drop chaos storm and hope for soft CC and use blink + swordleap. Blink is pretty good for catching up.

I usually run phantasm builds and when people start runing away I chuckle. You can’t out run my pink lasers!

You stop runners on a condie build by tagging them with torment. That kills them when they run.

Overall, there is absolutely no such thing as ‘honor’ in combat. People will run and people will fight dirty and outnumbered and call friends and do anything they need to win. Your job is to beat them despite that. That’s simply how it works.

Just my 2 C about honour. Because this game doesn’t show names it is very hard to grow a roaming community like that of DAoC. If you know who the roamers are and can see them by name you have the ability to act a certain way. The problem with GW2 is that you have no idea who you are fighting , so if you pull off to honour a 1 v 1 the other person most of the time will keep attacking you anyway.

Pyroatheist.9031:

You stop runners on a condie build by tagging them with torment. That kills them when they run.

Overall, there is absolutely no such thing as ‘honor’ in combat. People will run and people will fight dirty and outnumbered and call friends and do anything they need to win. Your job is to beat them despite that. That’s simply how it works.

Even then a Warrior , guardian , thieve, ele, engie, mesmer can cleanse and disengage pretty good, even rangers. People try and bring this whole “Honor” crap , the reality is no one likes to lose. I’ve fought shatter mesmers with a shatter build and Bunker phant mesmers, most of the time they have the 1200 blink trait and portal crap , reset and then come back, by that time I either wait for them or run away and laugh. I’m done with this whole “Skill play” , everyone runs and disengages when they can’t have an upperhand in a battle. 1v1 I’ll never run away, if I lose I lose. 1v2 I can run because I know i won’t outdo 2 good players if they have either strong builds or actually have good synergy against me.

P.S. I also despise it when people use the whole “terrain and line of sight combat” crap , if they hide behind things or use portal tactics etc, I will disengage and kite until they are in an open space and then I will nuke them, throw siege over them and emote. People should advocate more build diversity and push forth new ways to fix pvp instead of using this whole honor excuse. I have stopped caring about roaming with skill or whatever. I am done caring how I beat someone, this game needs some fixing and I won’t care until it gets fixed.

Narsil.6579:

P.S. I also despise it when people use the whole “terrain and line of sight combat” crap , if they hide behind things or use portal tactics etc, I will disengage and kite until they are in an open space and then I will nuke them, throw siege over them and emote.

And those people will continue to use those tactics. I’ll use those tactics as much as I need to as well. In a 1v1 situation I won’t need to, but you can bet that I always know where the closest place to break line sight or pull a z-axis blink or drop a portal for a safe getaway is just in case a fight goes real bad real fast.

Pyroatheist.9031:

Narsil.6579:

P.S. I also despise it when people use the whole “terrain and line of sight combat” crap , if they hide behind things or use portal tactics etc, I will disengage and kite until they are in an open space and then I will nuke them, throw siege over them and emote.

And those people will continue to use those tactics. I’ll use those tactics as much as I need to as well. In a 1v1 situation I won’t need to, but you can bet that I always know where the closest place to break line sight or pull a z-axis blink or drop a portal for a safe getaway is just in case a fight goes real bad real fast.

Not saying its bad, but I had it done to me in a 1v1, the guy kept hiding behind everything, and by 1v1 I mean an actual duel. Roaming I don’t mind it, but if someone keeps doing it against 1 person, I will disengage and frolik away from them, usually ill try to get the higher ground on them, look for edges to push them off, or lure them out into open space, or catch them off guard next time around. So far the only class that irritates me atm is a condi dire p/d thief. If played right they can get away and come back, usually i save my cds and just run away while using reflect and chaining invis if anything.

P.S. All I mean to say is I don’t frown upon it when roaming and fighting multiple people, in fact I enjoy it. I hate it when people disengage and PU , portal , blink 1200, there is no honor in a system that has unbalances. You will always either get killed fast with direct damage or burn down by conditions, or people will run away. I stopped caring what people think is skill, I just target the mesmer or thief and proceed to nuke the crap out of them. I enjoy PvP but I stopped caring for what is skill play and what is honorless.

there is one more annoying group that hasn’t been mentioned the oh i don’t feel like fighting you right now so i’m going to throw you of this nice cliff instead bye.

and while i understand the concept of honor it has never really made sense to me when the point of a fight is to kill the other guy, it just doesn’t make sense as to why someone would attach rules to how you have to kill that person.

[quote=3723179;Narsil.6579:
P.S. I also despise it when people use the whole “terrain and line of sight combat” crap , if they hide behind things or use portal tactics etc,[/quote]

I find use terrain to LOS and let phantasm etc dmg target and avoid dmg to be one of the most fun and effective ways of pay mesmer. I often “lure” a solo or few ppl to chase me from open ground, hit them a little and kite them towards a structuve I can blink up on. Then i blink up ontop, jump donw, run around the pbject etkittenill I get a kill. Make me feel wery warm adn fuzzy. Best is if its a mele caracter who cant hit you when you doing it.

Its just another way of outplay somone.

There is several classes and players I struggle with in a set duel area with no LOS, smal area etc 1 vs 1 duel. Same player I when run into them in open world can kill by huse terrain, blinks and long range running.

/Osicat

Use of terrain and breaking LoS IS skillful game play. If you’re not willing to use it, or counter it because you’ve made up some set of self imposed rules (“honor” for example) you’re a bad player, end of story.

It’s interesting though, Narsil, that you’re all talk of honor and not fighting in X Y Z ways, but in reality you’re playing at your game as much as they are theirs. You admit to not engaging players who’re using those tactics and drawing them out to where you feel you’re strongest, which is open fields. So either you’re all for them Playing to Win, or you’re “honorless” yourself because you refuse to engage them no matter what, and instead “run and hide” in open fields, so to speak.

Can’t have it both ways dude.

As to the OP. Mobility is King in WvW. My rule is your build should start with mobility, and work from there.

Mesmer’s do not have the greatest landspeed (warriors do), but we have enough to compete well enough.

Here’s my vid of general gameplay with a build very similar to yours
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8td7XyA1JU

Here’s me running away in an epic chase demonstrating why mobility is King.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GZ6UgA_MUo

I suggest dropping your ideals about staying to fight, and start playing to win (outside of friendly duels at least). But, that’s entirely up to you.

Ross Biddle.2367:

As to the OP. Mobility is King in WvW. My rule is your build should start with mobility, and work from there.

Mesmer’s do not have the greatest landspeed (warriors do), but we have enough to compete well enough.

Here’s my vid of general gameplay with a build very similar to yours
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8td7XyA1JU

Here’s me running away in an epic chase demonstrating why mobility is King.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GZ6UgA_MUo

I suggest dropping your ideals about staying to fight, and start playing to win (outside of friendly duels at least). But, that’s entirely up to you.

I would like to thanks ALL the people that commented in this post!
Btw, yeah this game pvp is about mobility, i saw different guys saying i should spec for mobility, like Ross Biddle. The problem here imo is that you can build yourself for movement all you want but you’ll still terrible compared to most of the classes, not to mention that traveller runes costs 10g each.
I have lvl 80 elementalist and lvl 80 warrior that i used for some solo roaming too, this 2 classes are awesome when it comes to movement, but i still never escape a loyal duel if i see that i’ll lose.
When i talk about honor as a duelist i DO NOT talk about fighting only in open terrain without fast disengages or avoiding line of sight, i even think that using veteran mobs around the map is still correct in a fight, what i call honor is the fact that once you start a fight, you gotta fight until one of the duelists die. This is my point, the only time i think leaving the duel is correct is when you understand that the fight will never end, like against some auto heal elementalists or guardian.
I’ll try to pull Blink in my build and see how it works.

phaeris.7604:

You’re playing a cheesy condition PU spec setup on possibly one of the best 1v1 classes out there?

You’re lucky anyone bothers staying to give you a fight.

If you had any honour as a player you’d be playing pure shatter spec, not some cowardly condition spec.

Sorry but i gotta say your comment is really stupid my friend
You don’t know how i play or who i am so you shouldn’t say bad things about me.
I used a berserk shatter build for 4 months in a row in Tpvp and a phantasm bunker build for 2 months in tpvp, should i really spend all my golds for creating the same build i used for most of my time during my experience with the mesmer in competitive pvp?
I like to change a lot of builds, i came back in this game after 5 months break.
Back when i was playing in september i never even heard of condi mesmer, so i was really curious to try a thing i never experienced from the first time i saw a guy owning me in hot join with this PU build, is this wrong?

Mijo.3274:

The problem here imo is that you can build yourself for movement all you want but you’ll still terrible compared to most of the classes, not to mention that traveller runes costs 10g each.

There is a trick that you can do with Tonic + Centaur runes to get swiftness.

You can see it in use here :

According to his description should be cheaper then Travel runes.

Oh, a PU mesmer complaining of something. That’s… not new?
This class surely has attracted lots of baddies.
Just be happy that you are able to kill some zergers while #yolostealth and #look@myboons.

Next thread.

Jambas.6204:

Mijo.3274:

The problem here imo is that you can build yourself for movement all you want but you’ll still terrible compared to most of the classes, not to mention that traveller runes costs 10g each.

There is a trick that you can do with Tonic + Centaur runes to get swiftness.

You can see it in use here :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4k2iPuP8QrY

According to his description should be cheaper then Travel runes.

I did not really understand the trick sorry…
There’s one exact object that you intend when you say Tonic?

In his case I think he is using the Endless Toymaker’s Tonic any tonic that do the transformation should do the trick.

The trick is explained in the Video comments:

“he is using Centaur =runes and the “exit” button is the same as the heal skill so it procs the 6/6 rune ability that grants swiftness to himself and allies. ?"

“I use runes of centaur since I’m short on money for traveler runes. Any #6 triggers with ‘’on heal’’ effects, so it does too with the tonic. It also triggers ‘’weapon swap’’ effects. ?”

Mijo.3274:

Jambas.6204:

Mijo.3274:

The problem here imo is that you can build yourself for movement all you want but you’ll still terrible compared to most of the classes, not to mention that traveller runes costs 10g each.

There is a trick that you can do with Tonic + Centaur runes to get swiftness.

You can see it in use here :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4k2iPuP8QrY

According to his description should be cheaper then Travel runes.

I did not really understand the trick sorry…
There’s one exact object that you intend when you say Tonic?

Switfness on Centaur runes triggers when you use your heal ( which has a CD). But when you use an endless tonic, your #6 skill becomes your changing form skill ( no CD)
Use your tonic —→ use 6 to change back to your original form --→ proc swiftness without using your heal. Rince and repeat. It gives you perma swiftness.

I have been using an Endless Tonic + Centaur runes for about 6 months now. Works great. However I only use Centaur armour occasionally and prefer Traveler’s runes for condition and power builds.

Firestarr.4518:

I have to say I am pretty tired of everyone doing nothing but trashing certain builds for being good at something. What’s wrong with a PU build? It has it’s strengths and weaknesses just like every other build. That’s why they are called “builds” there are plenty out there. Love how everyone jumps on a bandwagon to hate on some of the builds out there. I think all of the builds people come up with are pretty cool and it is part of the game.

This guy shouldn’t be hated on just for his build. Give constructive criticism. This is only a game. And not everyone plays like a pro. He just wants to know how to be more mobile.

I agree. The nicest thing about PU is the extra survivability. If your solo in WvW you will often be outnumbered.

And all the people who are “good” and running Shatter specs in WvW are not doing so alone. They run with a buff bot…a heal bot or both (looks at Joe).

So now you kitteng scrubs are telling me that I should run solo, with a glass build in WvW? Huh? g t f 0

I run traveler runes and focus offhand all the time(even though focus broken. I MAKE IT WORK!) I still can’t catch some class’s and specific builds but most I can. Although it’s more about persistence and intelligence in how you get around more so than anything.
Just yesterday I got a ranger down to 5% and chased that coward up and back DOWN the map and ended up killing him were the fight started XD.
All about choosing the most efficient direction to run and to take advantage of your blink and other teleports in order to get over those hills you have to usually go around.

However it does annoy me that Mesmers cant really keep up without focus offhand or traveler runes.
Anet should replace the boon duration on signet of midnight with a 25% speed increase

Pay to win, Gem Store / Farm —-→ buy Travelers Runes. 25% movement speed 24/7. Problem solved

That 25% speed buff still won’t solve the overall lack of mobility from skills unless you’re running a PU build.

If you are a condi pu Mesmer, people are going to run from you in 1on1, because they are NEARLY impossible to beat in a 1on1.

Well i also think it’s your build what makes them run. PU is hated because most players think it’s op i also think like that. this is why i use shattered concentration what seems to be the best pu counter. a mesmer has. (except playing pu for yourself)

When roaming i usually use a full berserker shatter spec with this you can get your enemys down in less than a second or if they already noticed you you can also spike with around 3x 5k mindwrack (with power food, 8 might stacks and 24 stacks vulnerability).

Pistol can be replaced by a torch in this build ^_^
Dom VII can be replaced by Dom X for having ~5s cd on mirror blade (best spike opener)

Here i am!
I wanna thx all the guys that gave me positive feedbacks and suggestions in this thread, i actually changed a little my build, but the differnce is awesome in mobility.
-Blink instead of Null Field
-Manipulation skills range increased instead of sword cd reduced
I’ll put traveller runes too whenever i’ll get 60-70 golds, but not now.

Yesterday i engaged a warrior that was attacking a veteran, in the exact moment when i down him, an enemy guardian come, and after some seconds a little zerg of 12/13 guys attack me, it was awesome that i was actally able to escape from near the garrison to near my respawn camp (south west) while the whole zerg was chasing me, and then a bigger zerg of guys from my server owned them. (i escaped for almost ALL the border without getting killed).

quercus.9261:

No honor in WvW unfortunately. Roamers try to save their stacks and everyone but Mesmer can run.

It has nothing to do with honour, but with winning. I can worry about honour once I’ve won.

One of the key concepts how I prevail in the 1v1 roamer environment? Bringing friends, hunting the players who are out for 1v1.

Compare: http://www.sirlin.net/ptw/