Guild Wars 2

First I want to start off saying that this is only a matter of fact based on someone who knows how to actually doge a shatter, and in turn my examples are all on the premiss that the opponent has learned how to do that. Any one who will eat a vulnerability shatter to 20 sacks and take a full Mind Wrack is most likely going to die. That being said anyone can take an hour or two to learn how to doge a shatter, and it’s pretty predictable and easy to see coming.

That said I love fighting almost anything. Thief/Warrior/Gaurdian/S-D eles ect.
a decent player will avoid your burst, you avoid his and its a fun fight back and forth.

Now what I can’t figure out first is bunkery D/D eles.
So what am I missing?
Most of my fights end up being a burst back and forth until one of us decides to screw it up… I don’t think luck should be a major part of a skill based game (though luck will be a factor in no matter what you do)

They Regen all the way to full health soo fast it feels almost like ele has book on a shorter C/D

I’m not the only one to point out D/D bunker ele but How do you guys get around this?

And Ranger is a pretty pain in the butt fight too, they have good mobility which is a pain for any mesmer esp since our clones are pretty kitten slow too, but that’s hardly the problem I’m having…

What I’ve been finding is that when they are bunkery beast master every shatter I land is redundant. One clean shatter will not do much and it’s unlikely to get two in a row because on a enemy with a pet (drawing clones away), high mobility (kite clones), and for what does land it can be reneged with a passive, or the “Troll Unguent” heal. (I get to low HP? Troll Ungent ololol?) mind you it’s almost pointless to burst them during their healing skill since most of the damage is healed up before long.

I’ve tried to get them to pop it before going in for the burst… that didn’t go well either the pet messes you up, or they just evade/kite till their next heal (and your a shatter build right so we’re talking mostly glass cannon here so all their attacks still hit like a truck)

I’ve gone for the pet… with Bird it’s not so bad the bird dies fast and you can keep it down, but if they have a dog with like almost 2k to their defenses with the same Regen from Troll Ungent ololol it’s kind of a brick wall.

In fact I find both builds on Ele and Ranger to be like beating your head (or shatters) against a ever repairing brick wall, that slowly widdles you down (which I thought was not the intention of a-net’s bunkery design?) and to me this is just not fun to fight.

What is a strategy around this?
if there is something I am missing let me know. PLEASE I’m not horrible but I do have a lot to learn, so I’m calling this how I so far with my naive eyes see it, and currently I see no way around this.

In both cases (assuming the person stays and fights without running away) Both builds can be easily taken care of with phantasm build… but phantasm build is just push 2 buttons and win without even trying, which is just as stupid as Regen imo.

Warriors Thiefs and Garudians get QQed about and QQ a lot but frankly I think they are pretty balanced, and with a decent player it’s a fun fight. But this fight on Regen is just pretty stupid, it’s like WotLK Ret-Pally all over again.

Anyways thoughts and help would be appropriated, Thanks.
(constructive posts only please)

(side note should fix the filter to be less intensive it turned my tittle into “fight kittenter”)

Hi Daishi

So glad you instead of qq and troll a forum accualy posted a well written post presenting your problem and setup a thread for discuss and help eachother out in this matchup.

First, what I now write apply to wvwvw, cant talk for spvp/tpvp as I spend al my time in wvwvw eather in a tight core team or solo/duo roaming. I also run a guide on this forums in video and text.

I understand your problem, spent alot of time to duel compitent d/d 0-10-0-30-30 eles latley and its a hard work if you as you find a compient skilled player. I will add a elementalist section in my next video guide just cause of this.

Overall I must say, its doable. They have a great setup to avoid dmg, but the cc we have is more frequent so waht needed to do is wear their cc brakers down. Cripple and daze is my favorite setup for offensive moves vs d/d, combined with just as you say phantasms. The hybrid spec in my guide is working best so far after hard testing of my diffent spec.

Daze can idd me dodged, trick is to spread the range of clones, a sword phantasm who hit, 2 staff clones and yourself, unless they want to use a immunity its hard avoid al sources, and if they do you throw in a cripple. Remember they need water dodges to clear and regen. If you force em into water to clear cc,s they locked out when the burst come.

Also, if you in hybrid spec and know you will face a d/d in short you know is compitent, its worth change 15%phantasm dmg for boon stripp on shatters. It clear regen, ofc ther reapply but with constant shatters it wont have full upptime.

Also, know your strength and weakness, use terain and dont play in their terms, play unfair, go to los/hight different place and avoid big open fields.

Of al tanks I dont find rangers as a porblem, they dont have enought cc and cripple brakers and we have “to many”. A constant phantasm and clone preassure with target dropps and spiked bursts make life hard for them. They also disslike confusion far to much.

So far I only give you words, have no guide for pure “how to kill a compitent tank” yet but will try make one. If you after any shatter build tipps thu pls look at my guide. I also try help in any way I can If you so wich and its in my knowledge. And pls dont give up, mesmers have alot of tools, we have in fact not explored em al yet. And alot of fights even vs a good palyer and a hard build (ranger tank as you mention) there is possible to outplay.

My guide, video and texts,
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/Guide-WvWvW-Shatter-Cat-reworking/page/13#post1242015

/Reguards Osicat

Hi osicat, what are the top 3 classes-specs that give you trouble?